Hey there,

the speccs of the Phantom 3 say, that there is a CE and a FCC mode. How will this affect the range of the drone? Will it be changeable in the software like it is in the P2?

Does this anybody know?

Thanks for an answer.

Greetings from Germany!

Thats a good question and i hope dji can give US some answers. The inspire is different here, it is 20 dB on both CE and FCC while the P3 is only 16db in CE mode. Two versions for CE or FCC? Or The P3 detects its location and sets CE or FCC ?

Yes you're right. The Inspire is 20db on both modes and it is CE confirm. So why is the P3 limited to 16db? I also hope for an answer from DJI.

I asked the same question to the sales department but am still waiting for a response.

Ive got the answer that CE mode kicks in automatically depending on your location. In my case it would mean much less range here in germany. Thats a pitty, the inspire has the full range which is always nice to have for safety in case of fly aways etc..

DJI needs to answer this clearly and make the modes user selectable...
It is no logic in that the inspire har full power and the P3 reduced in euro mode when both are CE compliant under the same rules.

If the range is reduced on the P3 that is big deal breaker for all of us "enthusiasts" here in Europe

Sap_2000 Posted at 2015-4-12 01:23
DJI needs to answer this clearly and make the modes user selectable...
It is no logic in that the in ...

Exactly, more range gives you safety in case of a failure, i feel better when i have 2km range in mind.
Now 16dbm is only 40mw but as far as i know 100mw is allowed in europe.

Sap_2000 Posted at 2015-4-12 01:23
DJI needs to answer this clearly and make the modes user selectable...
It is no logic in that the in ...

Exactly, more range gives you safety in case of a failure, i feel better when i have 2km range in mind.
Now 16dbm is only 40mw but as far as i know 100mw is allowed in europe.

Wifi at 2.4 GHz at 40 mW has a very short range. This makes the Phantom 3 Professional/Advanced a toy for us europeans... It isn't even considered "full range" in the RC-world. You find those power output in cheap RC-toys you buy in the toystores...

Whoa, what? What sort of range will the Phantom 3 have in Europe? If it's rubbish my order will be cancelled! Automatic CE or no option to select FCC = No deal

irrbloss@gmail. Posted at 2015-4-12 01:43
Wifi at 2.4 GHz at 40 mW has a very short range. This makes the Phantom 3 Professional/Advanced a to ...

I would wait, i guess the range is still 1km with 16dbm but i never had a digital video TX, only my trusted 5.8ghz system. The thing i dont understand is why the Inspire had 20dbm. Maybe the reason is simple, im not an expert in digital video TX. It would be a reason not to buy it for sure

Daninho Posted at 2015-4-12 02:06
I would wait, i guess the range is still 1km with 16dbm but i never had a digital video TX, only m ...

We are talking streaming 720p here, at 40 mW. I can't even stream 240p inside my home if too far away from my router set at 100 mW @2.4 GHz. I know there are walls in my home, but still - we're talking about 20 meters away from my router.

irrbloss@gmail. Posted at 2015-4-12 02:26
We are talking streaming 720p here, at 40 mW. I can't even stream 240p inside my home if too far a ...

Yes but the receiver is probably more sensitive, i just cant believe that the range will be like 200-400m. I also remember one guy from dji germany said up to 1,2km range which would be ok but i guess a weaker system also means a not as stable connection in general, like 400m and you will see the first bad connection warnings. That would be a bummer. I still cant  believe why the inspire has 20dbm.

Daninho Posted at 2015-4-12 02:38
Yes but the receiver is probably more sensitive, i just cant believe that the range will be like 2 ...

Let's hope it's not a feature, but a bug - resolved in a future firmware-update.

irrbloss@gmail. Posted at 2015-4-12 02:43
Let's hope it's not a feature, but a bug - resolved in a future firmware-update.

I doubt it, there must be a reason for that

Daninho Posted at 2015-4-12 03:10
I doubt it, there must be a reason for that

They must have got their numbers wrong.
"Equivalent isotropically radiated power (EIRP) in the European Union is limited to 20 dBm (100 mW)."

The engineers at DJI should surf more on Wikipedia... :p

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi

Yeah....20 dBm would be legal in Europe....so why do they limit it to 16 dBm? Would be nice if someone from DJI could us answer this.

Seqo Posted at 2015-4-12 05:08
Yeah....20 dBm would be legal in Europe....so why do they limit it to 16 dBm? Would be nice if someo ...

<Engineer 1> Hey... Do you know what the EIRP-limit in Europe is?
<Engineer 2> Well... I think it's 20 dBm in US... In EU it could be less... or more...
<Engineer 3> Hey, look I found a funny cat video on Youtube!
<Engineer 1+2> Hah! That's funny!
<Engineer 1> So... What are you saying? Less or more dBm in EU than in US?
<Engineer 4> Can I see the cat video too?
<Engineer 1> Wait, I'll send the link...
<Engineer 4> Hah! That WAS funny!
<Engineer 2> I think... EU got some limit of 10 dBm, or was it 12?
<Engineer 4> I think it's more than 15, but less than 20...
<Engineer 1> Ok, I set it at 16, no one will ever care anyway...
<Engineer 3> Look! Another cat clip! Hah!

Made my day! Haha!

8 is a Lucky number in china, it means "ba". 2x8 =16  they wish all european buyers twice the luck with the phantom3

If the range is limited with the european models it is definitely a deal breaker for me as well.

andybandy4k Posted at 2015-4-12 07:12
If the range is limited with the european models it is definitely a deal breaker for me as well.

The power is limited automatically when you are in europe to 40mw instead of 100mw. Thats what dji said at RC groups forums

Then I guess baba mode for Europe is one of those things that make you want to get an I1 instead. Full 2km range even for Germany...

If as some people have said that there's no assistant software and it's all set through the DJI app then we can all use something like the excellent app TunnelBear to change our supposed location to wherever we want and therefore have whichever mode we want...

harrismail@yaho Posted at 2015-4-12 16:35
If as some people have said that there's no assistant software and it's all set through the DJI app  ...

I think it will use the GPS-position of the P3 itself.

PQ2V+ Posted at 2015-4-12 14:28
Then I guess baba mode for Europe is one of those things that make you want to get an I1 instead. Fu ...

yes, it seems like there was a new regulation in europe in 2015 and the Inspire was from late 2014. It seems Iinspire owners were just lucky. On the other hand maybe DJI were a bit slow with the P3 here. This is a major advantage of the inspire to use the full 100mw power instead of 40mw. It means you could track the copter over 2km if it gone wild for some reason. It degrades the product P3 a bit for european buyers, i guess the solid video range will be 1km in europe but we will see it when the first owners check that out. Could be a bit more or less. The only possibility for longer range could be new antennas but you will loose warranty and you have to open the controller. PPL from outside europe are lucky in this case. The only thing i dont know is are the new inspire models still 100mw OR weakened out to meet the new regulations.  

Yes the P3 will use the GPS coordinates to activate CE or FCC mode.

I wonder if it will shift mid air if going outside a FCC-regulated zone? If not there might be some cheap (and illegal) devices from china which emits a weak fake GPS-signal telling the P3 is in US while starting up. Then you turn off the device, and the P3 will still be in FCC-mode, but with correct GPS-position?
Edit: Or a switch on the P3 to disable the GPS-antenna. Then you will have no signal, and it fall back to FCC-mode. Then you flip the switch back...

Daninho Posted at 2015-4-12 18:01
yes, it seems like there was a new regulation in europe in 2015 and the Inspire was from late 2014. ...

Do you have a link to these new regulations?

david.moisson.m Posted at 2015-4-12 18:27
Do you have a link to these new regulations?

I think its because of this http://www.summitdata.com/blog/e ... -standards-updates/

I don't think the I1 will get the downscaled power of baba mode (16 dBm).
The CE ruling only applies to newly registered devices.

what is CE AND FCC?

k00691@reading- Posted at 2015-4-13 01:27
what is CE AND FCC?

CE stands for Conformité Européenne and FCC stands for Federal Communications Commission. It's a way to test/make sure products conforms to rules/standards for different parts of the world.

Hello all,
Can you please explain me this range issue in simple words?
what does it's mean?
im from Israel, what will be the range that the P3 can fly here?

thx

just to let you know. this is the answer i got from dji support

andybandy4k Posted at 2015-4-13 16:13
just to let you know. this is the answer i got from dji support

Seems positive.

andybandy4k Posted at 2015-4-13 16:13
just to let you know. this is the answer i got from dji support

Andy lets be honest here, it is a fact that the Phantom3 operate in CE mode in europe with 16dbm (40mw), in the US it operates automatically in FCC mode 20dbm (100mw). This is even written in the specs and confirmed by DJI engineers, for example Dr. Tao, one of the brains behind the Phantom. New CE regulations  from 1.1.2015 were enforced. Yes, the Phantom3 will have limited range in CE mode but its still much better compared to a vision+ for example. Some say it even reached 1,5km in CE mode. Dr. Tao also said its depending on how much other interference is in the air, in a clean area you can get alot of range in CE mode as well. There are also aftermarket antennas available to to get more range, you will need to open the controller tough. So it is a fact that 20dbm is better than 16dbm but its still a good range in the end. So i would predict you will get 1km without any problems with the CE model and i guess even more. Most analog FPV systems have a shorter range than that

Hi guys

What are we in Aussie? FCC or CE?

Thxs

It is not a fact, where's it say this?

If you order a Phantom 3, order a FCC Version as present for your grandma in Texas.

Write a E-Mail to onlinesales@dji.com

knarfboy Posted at 2015-4-14 03:12
If you order a Phantom 3, order a FCC Version as present for your grandma in Texas.

Write a E-Mail  ...

There is no seperate FCC version