A very strange move on the DJI side: A new Mini is out, but it is not Mini 3, it is Mini 1.5! It is called Mini SE, and it seems to be a Mini 1 with Mini 2 battery and controller (despite having less than half the range)...

More details here:
https://dronedj.com/2021/06/03/d ... t-is-it-really-new/

Was looking forward to Mini3 can knock that one on the head M3P next ?

hallmark007 Posted at 6-4 14:25
Was looking forward to Mini3 can knock that one on the head M3P next ?

I believe M3P release is inevitable, and might even be imminent. There were rumors that M2P production has already stopped.

The strange thing is, this has been the driest update season I have ever seen from DJI. Even major bugs in some products are not being addressed. Don't know what is going on in there, but does not look too nice...

CemAygun Posted at 6-4 14:33
I believe M3P release is inevitable, and might even be imminent. There were rumors that M2P production has already stopped.

The strange thing is, this has been the driest update season I have ever seen from DJI. Even major bugs in some products are not being addressed. Don't know what is going on in there, but does not look too nice...

`Maybe, I mean Apple released SE along with their new iPhones , so you could be right.

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CemAygun Posted at 6-4 14:33
I believe M3P release is inevitable, and might even be imminent. There were rumors that M2P production has already stopped.

The strange thing is, this has been the driest update season I have ever seen from DJI. Even major bugs in some products are not being addressed. Don't know what is going on in there, but does not look too nice...

Have been finding it harder to find the Mavic Pro 2 in the last three months, so it wouldn't surprise me that there will me a M3/MP3.

Lets hope its EU classified and comes in under the new 250g MTOM limit.

Very strange move indeed.  

DAFlys Posted at 6-5 01:22
Lets hope its EU classified and comes in under the new 250g MTOM limit.

I highly doubt the M3P will in at the weight or less. It will be their professional line with more sensors etc and longer flight time so I would guess about 700 to 900g

DAFlys Posted at 6-5 01:22
Lets hope its EU classified and comes in under the new 250g MTOM limit.

Only the Mini series (1, 2 and I would also suspect SE as well) will be the only <250g drone that gives you quality video and photography features.

AussieDronePilot Posted at 6-5 17:12
Only the Mini series (1, 2 and I would also suspect SE as well) will be the only

Sadly the Mini 1 and 2 are not <250g MTOM,  they are only <250g in weight.   For it to be classified it has to be under the 250g MTOM to be able to overfly people.

Suren Posted at 6-5 14:13
I highly doubt the M3P will in at the weight or less. It will be their professional line with more sensors etc and longer flight time so I would guess about 700 to 900g

Got a new theory on the name,  Mavic 2 Pro V2.

DAFlys Posted at 6-5 23:59
Sadly the Mini 1 and 2 are not

I guess they can detect any extra payload like Mavic Air 1 could. If they can, isn't it super easy for the firmware to prevent take off past 250gr; bringing the MTOM down to 250gr as well?

In the end almost all the "electric" motorcycles run on software based limits to conform to local laws. I don't think there is a single one that is actually, "physically" capped at 25km/s maximum speed etc. etc.

All you need is the drone not to be able to launch past 250gr, and 250gr becomes your MTOM

CemAygun Posted at 6-6 00:17
I guess they can detect any extra payload like Mavic Air 1 could. If they can, isn't it super easy for the firmware to prevent take off past 250gr; bringing the MTOM down to 250gr as well?

In the end almost all the "electric" motorcycles run on software based limits to conform to local laws. I don't think there is a single one that is actually, "physically" capped at 25km/s maximum speed etc. etc.

And it has to come from the factory at time of manufacture for it to count under our current rules,  there's no retrospective classification.

DAFlys Posted at 6-6 00:26
And it has to come from the factory at time of manufacture for it to count under our current rules,  there's no retrospective classification.

Ah I see... I honestly don't know what to expect form a company that is the world leader in consumer drones by an insane margin, yet cannot even put the app that is vital in operating their latest products in the play store...

CemAygun Posted at 6-6 00:32
Ah I see... I honestly don't know what to expect form a company that is the world leader in consumer drones by an insane margin, yet cannot even put the app that is vital in operating their latest products in the play store...

Indeed,  that has baffled me too.

Genuine question, why does everyone think the Mavic 3 will even be called the Mavic pro 3? It seems pretty clear with all the DJI re-branding that the next prosumer drone won't carry the Mavic name any longer. I think it'll be something like "DJI Pro 3" if they follow the current naming scheme. It just seems a lot of people have there hopes up that the Pro 3 will answer all there prayers and be the savior that they've been looking for but if anything is clear from what DJI's already been doing, I see a lot of disappointed Pro 3 owners when they don't get the Mavic 3 Pro they feel they should.

DAFlys Posted at 6-6 00:26
And it has to come from the factory at time of manufacture for it to count under our current rules,  there's no retrospective classification.

Not sure whether a subsequent certification is not possible after all and whether it is not MTOM but weight that counts for drones built before January 1, 2023. I think DJI has long been ready to classify, but where and to whom should they submit it ? Nothing has been prepared in Germany yet, is it with you? It's just like a car needs to be registered, but there is still no registration office. Well there is still time until January 1st, 2023. But as in many previous threads on the subject, it is only speculation on this.

jonny007 Posted at 6-6 06:37
Not sure whether a subsequent certification is not possible after all and whether it is not MTOM but weight that counts for drones built before January 1, 2023. I think DJI has long been ready to classify, but where and to whom should they submit it ? Nothing has been prepared in Germany yet, is it with you? It's just like a car needs to be registered, but there is still no registration office. Well there is still time until January 1st, 2023. But as in many previous threads on the subject, it is only speculation on this.

The classification is done through EASA,  they had a FAQ back at Christmas about it all.

Yeah, I noticed it!

DAFlys Posted at 6-7 00:00
The classification is done through EASA,  they had a FAQ back at Christmas about it all.

That is well known, but the question was WHO checks it and ultimately awards the test mark?

Translated from a german website, see marked in bold below.

But the recently released DJI AIR 2S again does not have a drone class or drone certification. A classification and division for the drone class C1 would be interesting here. This would have meant only minor requirements for the drone pilots. The even smaller class C0 would have been out of the question, as it is only intended for drones with a take-off weight of less than 250 grams.

But the problem of the lack of EU certification of the DJI AIR 2S or the previous drones such as the DJI MINI 2 or DJI Mavic AIR 2 does not lie with DJI. DJI itself has been trying for some time to have the drones certified and classified according to the new EU drone laws when they are launched in the EU and to adapt the drones technically to the corresponding requirements.

But unfortunately, even after years of preparation, the EU and the relevant authorities are still not ready to carry out these drone tests and classify them in a drone class with the corresponding C-mark.

According to you, the Mini2SE should already have the C0 label. Maybe United Kingdom is ready for this yet?

jonny007 Posted at 6-7 03:19
That is well known, but the question was WHO checks it and ultimately awards the test mark?

Translated from a german website, see marked in bold below.

In the EASA q&a they Said they expected manufactures to start submitting soon so someone’s not right.  

Things are getting weirder. I have seen multiple youtube channels claiming this could be a "cheaper" alternative to Mini1. Something does not compute there: the remote.

For one thing, Mini 2 shares the remote with Air2 and Air2S and it is Occusync 2.0. Mini 1.5 seems to have a very low range for an occusync device.  So does that mean the same OS2.0 remote can work with non OS devices albeit with a lower range? If mini SE has OS2.0, why is the range so low? Or is the Mini 1.5 remote just a "look alike"?

On top of all these, I would be very surprised if this remote costs less than the one that came with Mini 1 to make the set any cheaper (apart from the benefit of consolidating production lines)

We won't make much sense of this until we know all the details (like the price) but the more I look at it, the more confused I get...