Pocket 3 LUTs?

IftiBashir

For those using Dlog-M, do your colour grade from scratch or do you use LUTs?
I know DJI have their own LUT but I believe this is just for setting a base starting point?

I dont really use filters either, as I'm more a run-and-gun type filmer, and find it a lot of faffing around choosing the correct filter, then remembering to take them off every time Im switching the Pocket off etc.

Im going on holiday soon and I want to record everything in Dlog-M, but I'm no good with colour grading. Being slightly color-blind doesnt help either!
Ive seen many places online selling LUT packs, where you can simply drop on and try different LUTs, and the grading its pretty much done - has anyone used these are are they worth investing in?

DAFlys

Unless you are well practiced at DlogM colour grading I wouldn't risk your holiday footage, the standard colour profile is already very good and can be colour graded if needed.

Fishycomics

if I choose any other Lut , it is not going to look like the Original, I am not a color grading person Filmora 13 editor paid Luts, but I used the DJI lut provided one. the Sunrise is where you see the difference and especiallly the Hand rail but if you ask me, turning the camera around and on Selfie, the background i blurred, so adding a lut or not is not what I would color grad, IMHO. Like saidThe best camera you got is with you, so make sure you are set up for your best shots, its a once in a lifetime for some that I simply Use D-Log- M Color and hte camera does the work for me then trying to remember each and every detail. Hoe this helps

regards FISH

to add some flavour to the Luts, this is not luts but you get the idea what A.I. can do

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IftiBashir

Thanks guys - I just thought if I captured in Dlog-M, if worst came to it I can just drop on the DJI provided DLog-M to Rec709 LUT and get the standard colour regardless - although still have the flexibility to add any other luts if I found any?
Although I get what you mean with risking otherwise good holiday footage too.......

neotint

The flexibility and quality of D-Log M is worth it. I have a similar goal: wanting natural-like footage and simple production process, and find the DJI LUT with Davinci or the MIMO app is great. I may get more into tweaking color grading but for high quality easy shoot and share footage go with the DJI LUT.

RayNY

I've found the normal color profile and the DJI Lut crushes the blacks. I film in Log M and just color grade myself in Davinci. It took me months to figure out the correct settings to get the most out of this little sensor.

geo.

RayNY Posted at 5-19 11:19
I've found the normal color profile and the DJI Lut crushes the blacks. I film in Log M and just color grade myself in Davinci. It took me months to figure out the correct settings to get the most out of this little sensor.

D-Log M is not a published standard so edit programs do not have any way to develop a color space for it. When you apply the DJI supplied D-Log M to 709 LUT in effect you exclude all the extra dynamic range and wider color space. Perhaps they will e eventually publish it so it can be managed color space.

For now a better path to benefit from. the widest dynamic range and the largest color space, HLG a published standard is a better route. In an editor you identify the color space then add any grades you wish in the larger space and then in the last step you port it to 709 or HLG if you have HLG monitors. This path means the editor knows the exact nature of the file it recieves and places it into a giant color space and at the end of the grading it adapts it to the defined output color space either 709 or HLG of your choice. This means you are grading in the largest space possible as apposed to squashing it with a LUT and then playing with color in an already reduced color space.

There's a great tutorial on how to set up Resolve to do this.

Here's the link to JasonTheRoberts tutorial. It's excelent.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kX-0Ynfh7C4

It's not hard just a new process and this is too much then just shoot normal. It is pretty good.

Best

neotint

geo. Posted at 5-19 21:01
D-Log M is not a published standard so edit programs do not have any way to develop a color space for it. When you apply the DJI supplied D-Log M to 709 LUT in effect you exclude all the extra dynamic range and wider color space. Perhaps they will e eventually publish it so it can be managed color space.

For now a better path to benefit from. the widest dynamic range and the largest color space, HLG a published standard is a better route. In an editor you identify the color space then add any grades you wish in the larger space and then in the last step you port it to 709 or HLG if you have HLG monitors. This path means the editor knows the exact nature of the file it recieves and places it into a giant color space and at the end of the grading it adapts it to the defined output color space either 709 or HLG of your choice. This means you are grading in the largest space possible as apposed to squashing it with a LUT and then playing with color in an already reduced color space.

Whoa!
DJI can you please publish a spec for D-Log M, so Davinci can properly process your spec?
Is this on your roadmap? When will you do this?

Is it pointless to shoot in D-Log M if Davinci can't work with it and take full advantage of it?

Thanks for this video Geo. This is what I've been looking for. There's a lot of bad info on YouTube about the production process for color using the OP3 and Davinci. This is the first video I've seen that gets specific and practical.

But what about YouTube-specific advice?
The question I still have though is this: if people are shooting for YouTube which is only Rec709 for the widest user-compatible viewing, does it matter then to use this HLG approach? Isn't it still better to shoot in D-Log M, use the DJI LUT, and then adjust the color grading to deal with "crushed blacks"?

Would love to see videos specifically for shooting on the OP3, editing in Davinci, and publishing to YouTube. What is the best method currently since Davinici can't read DJI's files properly?

Thanks, 谢谢, Merci, Gracias

geo.

neotint Posted at 5-21 07:33
Whoa!
DJI can you please publish a spec for D-Log M, so Davinci can properly process your spec?
Is this on your roadmap? When will you do this?

Just to be clear those video samples are not from me. I was just commenting on the editorial issue of an unpublished color format.

There is a new alternative method from CineMatch that has taken the time to analyze the D-Log M color space and added it to their conversion tool for AP, DR and FCP. While the primary use of the plugin is to first match different camera color spaces so they can be combined in a single production, CiineMatch can also now be used to ingest D-Log M then use AP, DR or FCP to grade and then output to &)( or HLG.

Here is an inspiring example of this approach to produce broadcast quality footage by Andy Riesmeyer of KTLA here in LA. If you loved the cinematography in Ripley, you will appreciate the Homage story he shot on a Production level Sony camera and the Pocket 3 to great affect. At the end he discusses the use of CineMatch to normalize the two cameras. I think you will be impressed.

"Can the Osmo Pocket 3 look like a Netflix show? (+ matching the Sony FX3)"

Brilliant work.

neotint

geo. Posted at 5-21 15:17
Just to be clear those video samples are not from me. I was just commenting on the editorial issue of an unpublished color format.

There is a new alternative method from CineMatch that has taken the time to analyze the D-Log M color space and added it to their conversion tool for AP, DR and FCP. While the primary use of the plugin is to first match different camera color spaces so they can be combined in a single production, CiineMatch can also now be used to ingest D-Log M then use AP, DR or FCP to grade and then output to &)( or HLG.

Thanks for this Geo. I just saw this new post of his come up on my feed and will watch it tonight!

I see the idea out there to shoot in Normal mode since it looks better given the lack of specification of D-Log M, but the longer term POV I have says to shoot in D-Log M since its more usable later on when this format is properly supported. So I'm looking for the best satisficing to do right now. Perhaps this guy's methods is it.