I wanted to know if there will be firmware updates regarding the bitrate. The dji air 3s came out with 130 mbs, justifying that the compression was for social use. The dji flip will have 150 mbs, but won't the videos always be intended for social use? Yet the flip is less professional than the dji air 3s. Could we have a clarification? The bitrate of this model seems quite inconsistent with past models and future models

This is a known issue, there’s already a thread with 16 pages of people talking about it, DJI has not answered yet but I Hope there Will be a settings added to choose between standard and max bitrate.

Non mi sono accorto che l'argomento è stato già trattato ma senza una giusta risposta da parte loro. Credo che dovremmo continuare a parlarne finche la dji non ci fornisca un adeguato supporto

David Wolf Posted at 1-14 09:13
Non mi sono accorto che l'argomento è stato già trattato ma senza una giusta risposta da parte loro. Credo che dovremmo continuare a parlarne finche la dji non ci fornisca un adeguato supporto

The Air3s sadly is close to the declared bitrate only in useless slowmotion mode.

We asked several time to DJI the bitrate increase (matching claims as well in 4K 60fps HLG) and bug fix for Moirè effect on videos and they promised an update is in progress but still no solution.

New FLiP has limited bitrate as well and some ‘jello’ effect (first time I see it again since the horrible Hubsan mini…), but image quality is great for its small sensor, on par with Air3s and without any evident aliasing issue.

How many drones do you know have increased their bitrate after release and its very clear that no one here has posted any evidence that this 1” sensor is inferior in quality or detail than other dji 1” sensor drone. Yes you should read the long thread it reads like an infiltration of Italian users and if you check out those who complain on you tube 90% are Italian, I’m just wondering are these just extra accounts that are on this forum that are just breaking the rules. Maybe you’ll post actual video that you are having these problems.

Hallmark007 Posted at 1-14 14:54
How many drones do you know have increased their bitrate after release and its very clear that no one here has posted any evidence that this 1” sensor is inferior in quality or detail than other dji 1” sensor drone. Yes you should read the long thread it reads like an infiltration of Italian users and if you check out those who complain on you tube 90% are Italian, I’m just wondering are these just extra accounts that are on this forum that are just breaking the rules. Maybe you’ll post actual video that you are having these problems.

It is definitely the case that the video quality increases with a higher bit rate. There is nothing to discuss!

You don't know, I don't know, nobody knows whether it's 0.2% or 1% or 5% better. Only DJI knows that.

Karl53 Posted at 1-14 22:54
It is definitely the case that the video quality increases with a higher bit rate. There is nothing to discuss!

You don't know, I don't know, nobody knows whether it's 0.2% or 1% or 5% better. Only DJI knows that.

That makes no sense, it’s like saying a bigger sensor will improve quality. Anyone who bought a Air3s knows highest bitrate will be 130mbps and if its increased to 200mbps detail should improve, but and its a big but we bought at 130mbps surely its ridiculous to expect this will increase or to blame the manufacturers because we didn’t read all the blurb considering so many retailers including dji allow for returns for refunds.
It has been clearly explained on this forum by dji they wouldn’t be increasing the bitrate and that the new processing on the air3s was equivalent to a minimum of 30% increase in quality and detail and this is quite evident in the footage from the Air3s. It can also be noted that almost none not a single video has been posted here that shows deterioration of footage resulting from the 130mbps bitrate .

Lastly video quality does not increase with bitrate, but zoomed into video you can see more details, difference between 25mbps and 50mbps is big but the higher you go up the scale the lower the difference is, and the difference between 130mbps and 150mbps is almost zero at 100% but may show at 400% but again only slightly.
We all got what was advertised , if that was a problem for some then they only have themselves to blame

Hallmark007 Posted at 1-15 08:36
That makes no sense, it’s like saying a bigger sensor will improve quality. Anyone who bought a Air3s knows highest bitrate will be 130mbps and if its increased to 200mbps detail should improve, but and its a big but we bought at 130mbps surely its ridiculous to expect this will increase or to blame the manufacturers because we didn’t read all the blurb considering so many retailers including dji allow for returns for refunds.
It has been clearly explained on this forum by dji they wouldn’t be increasing the bitrate and that the new processing on the air3s was equivalent to a minimum of 30% increase in quality and detail and this is quite evident in the footage from the Air3s. It can also be noted that almost none not a single video has been posted here that shows deterioration of footage resulting from the 130mbps bitrate .

Actually you LIE....
There is no 130mbps in Air 3S....of course, you can say it is on slow motion, but you are just an amateur that does not know that in fact slow mo is only 32mbps when is put in normal timeline....

Max Air 3S now is 90mbps, if you take off the 10bit profile that uses 10mbps, there is only 80mbps left....

The user have a good point, why the ...ty DJI FOLD have more mbps than Air 3S, being also "social media" drone, being a drone with a lower quality than Air 3S in terms of capabilities

Bye David.

Hallmark007 Posted at 1-15 08:36
That makes no sense, it’s like saying a bigger sensor will improve quality. Anyone who bought a Air3s knows highest bitrate will be 130mbps and if its increased to 200mbps detail should improve, but and its a big but we bought at 130mbps surely its ridiculous to expect this will increase or to blame the manufacturers because we didn’t read all the blurb considering so many retailers including dji allow for returns for refunds.
It has been clearly explained on this forum by dji they wouldn’t be increasing the bitrate and that the new processing on the air3s was equivalent to a minimum of 30% increase in quality and detail and this is quite evident in the footage from the Air3s. It can also be noted that almost none not a single video has been posted here that shows deterioration of footage resulting from the 130mbps bitrate .

Davide, is this your professional opinion???

Are we guys taking bets?

I reckon this one may gets to 5-7 pages...

Put me down for $5...

Hallmark007 Posted at 1-14 14:54
How many drones do you know have increased their bitrate after release and its very clear that no one here has posted any evidence that this 1” sensor is inferior in quality or detail than other dji 1” sensor drone. Yes you should read the long thread it reads like an infiltration of Italian users and if you check out those who complain on you tube 90% are Italian, I’m just wondering are these just extra accounts that are on this forum that are just breaking the rules. Maybe you’ll post actual video that you are having these problems.

Everybody can see that the Air 2S 20mp camera is much better than the Air 3S 12mp... and that is even without getting into the bitrate drama...

But look at the bright side... Now you can get the same camera the Air 3S has with the Flip toy drone as well... Are we lucky or what???

Geo_Drone Posted at 1-15 23:16
Actually you LIE....
There is no 130mbps in Air 3S....of course, you can say it is on slow motion, but you are just an amateur that does not know that in fact slow mo is only 32mbps when is put in normal timeline....

Again you’re a clown it works the very same as all dji drones the highest bitrate advertised workers only on certain modes. The mavic 3 200mbps how many modes have you ever seen 200mbps. So yes you are a clown who knows nothing.
There is no drone called dji fold , and your arse licker friend is all mouth and no trousers

Fabriziooo Posted at 1-14 08:54
This is a known issue, there’s already a thread with 16 pages of people talking about it, DJI has not answered yet but I Hope there Will be a settings added to choose between standard and max bitrate.

DJI did answer and on this forum they clearly said the bitrate would NOT be increased. They also explained why ?

Hallmark007 Posted at 1-16 03:35
Again you’re a clown it works the very same as all dji drones the highest bitrate advertised workers only on certain modes. The mavic 3 200mbps how many modes have you ever seen 200mbps. So yes you are a clown who knows nothing.
There is no drone called dji fold , and your arse licker friend is all mouth and no trousers

This is pure poetry...

Page 2 coming up soon... I'm still taking bets...

Let's just hope they don't use the same camera again in the Mavic 4 or the Mini 5... What was wrong with the native 20mp camera??? It must be a production cost relate issue...

Hallmark007 Posted at 1-16 12:32
DJI did answer and on this forum they clearly said the bitrate would NOT be increased. They also explained why ?

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Hmm… the only thing i can see is their explanation of why the bitrate is lower than we expected, can you tell me what part of their message indicates that this is final and will not change?

given the number of messages on this subject (more than 16 pages on the other thread), I think they understood that it was an issue for users, whether you like it or not. once again, I am amazed by your insistence on something which could only be beneficial and which would not impact you, in the sense that if they add an option allowing you to increase the bitrate, you would be free not to not use it.

This is what confirms that you are a troll, because no normally constituted human would be against having the choice on this kind of settings, and even less wanting to silence a unanimous request

Fabriziooo Posted at 1-16 17:24
Hmm… the only thing i can see is their explanation of why the bitrate is lower than we expected, can you tell me what part of their message indicates that this is final and will not change?

given the number of messages on this subject (more than 16 pages on the other thread), I think they understood that it was an issue for users, whether you like it or not. once again, I am amazed by your insistence on something which could only be beneficial and which would not impact you, in the sense that if they add an option allowing you to increase the bitrate, you would be free not to not use it.

Simple a dji rep posted on the air3s forum there would be no increase in bitrate on the air3s , its there you’ll find if your bothered to go look. And again there are not more than a dozen comments except the same repeated drivel that bitrate is the cause of moire on the thread you’re talking about. It would be beneficial for all if bitrate was increased on all cameras it would be beneficial if the sensor on the air3s was a 4/3 sensor, but its not and I knew what I invested in and the fact that what was advertised is there and works really well I’m happy , its hard to complain when one you cannot see what there is to complain about . But the real trolls are those who whine about almost everything You are asking for something that has already been said won't happen. The big difference between air3s and action 5 was action 5 was advertised on day one what bitrate it would have and it didn't come that way so on release date it was explained that bitrate would increase and it didn't come with FW because whinning is there thing.

And here we go again

McGregor Posted at 1-17 04:57
And here we go again

Yes, but it is not as quick as the last time...

I'm still taking bets...

My thought is that the next time a new drone of my interest comes out, I will wait a couple of months before buying it. I don't understand this whole issue about increasing the bitrate as the price of memory cards is dropping dramatically.

OnePixel Posted at 1-18 01:11
My thought is that the next time a new drone of my interest comes out, I will wait a couple of months before buying it. I don't understand this whole issue about increasing the bitrate as the price of memory cards is dropping dramatically.

Because is not...They needed to make economy and use lower processing power, so they decreased the encoding quality but applied a fa.ke sharpening on image.

Many amateur users and DJI fanboys are impressed by the "quality", but if you are in a forest with many branches/trees/leaf, you see how they start to look odd, as the codec is lowered and the bitrate is not enough to sustain all data. In fact, in 4K 60fps you see a lot of Aliasing on branches, so much that the image is seen even by an amateur that is not ok.

All this was sustained by DJI with a big BS that they made a tremendous discovery related to HEVC codec....A discovery that is not made by NVIDIA and other big players that really count on HEVC, but is made by a hand of "developers" at DJI that usually take months to correct a simple bug when is discovered....biggest joke ever...

Still, there is a lot of people that buy this lie, usually amateurs or fanboys.

+5$

Geo_Drone Posted at 1-20 23:43
Because is not...They needed to make economy and use lower processing power, so they decreased the encoding quality but applied a fa.ke sharpening on image.

Many amateur users and DJI fanboys are impressed by the "quality", but if you are in a forest with many branches/trees/leaf, you see how they start to look odd, as the codec is lowered and the bitrate is not enough to sustain all data. In fact, in 4K 60fps you see a lot of Aliasing on branches, so much that the image is seen even by an amateur that is not ok.

Many amateur users and DJI fanboys are impressed by the "quality"

You as a so called professional do realise that these consumer drones are not professional , and any professional worth his salt would not even attempt to pass this consumer drone off as a professional tool like you do on this forum. Pay peanuts for tools and you get what you pay for. Instead of blaming fanboys for liking the product, just look at the idiots trying to pass this drone off as a professional tool.  
And it has to be said that is your attitude to every dji drone you try to use.

Burt37 Posted at 1-17 15:17
Yes, but it is not as quick as the last time...

I'm still taking bets...

As I have said...
+5$

Geo_Drone Posted at 1-21 23:19
As I have said...
+5$

How many pages of David "professional opinions" do you reckon we can get this time???

He's using multiple accounts now, (imaginary friends ), but he's only using them to add up/down votes...

Such a sad little man...

Burt37 Posted at 1-22 13:58
How many pages of David "professional opinions" do you reckon we can get this time???

He's using multiple accounts now, (imaginary friends ), but he's only using them to add up/down votes...

Depends...If we try, over 20....But will pollute the forum with dirt...D-Dirt...

Hallmark007 Posted at 1-21 09:54
Many amateur users and DJI fanboys are impressed by the "quality"

You as a so called professional do realise that these consumer drones are not professional , and any professional worth his salt would not even attempt to pass this consumer drone off as a professional tool like you do on this forum. Pay peanuts for tools and you get what you pay for. Instead of blaming fanboys for liking the product, just look at the idiots trying to pass this drone off as a professional tool.  

The AIR3S may not be sufficient for major film production for the cinema.
Drones with special cameras for these productions cost well over 35,000 EURO
No Mavic Pro is used there either.

But my AIR 3S and the MINI 3 Pro are perfectly adequate for TV productions.
My contractors are absolutely satisfied with the video quality!

So is this drone not for professionals???
Is it all a toy in your eyes???

Karl53 Posted at 1-23 04:33
The AIR3S may not be sufficient for major film production for the cinema.
Drones with special cameras for these productions cost well over 35,000 EURO
No Mavic Pro is used there either.

No but you cannot expect a professional drone and pay peanuts for it. There are many photographers who take amazing photographs on less than professional cameras, mainly because they are great photographers and they would be the first to tell you the cameras are NOT professional, so don’t come with such high expectations and if the results are adequate for what you do thats fine but don’t come and complain that these consumer drones fail to meet your professional needs.

It becomes very clear on forums like this that those who cannot make these cameras/drones work professionally, blame the camera/drone first and themselves last. For instance Geo Drone has been to the fore bitterly complaining about almost every single one dji products, going as far as to completely rubbish most of them bitterly complaining that they don’t meet his professional needs or standards, well wake up they’re simply not professional drones.
You said yourself the quality is good enough for your work, well this according to Geo Drone it should not be because he continually rubbishes this drone as he has previously with M3 pro mini’s air 2 2s . But all he creates is hysteria. You’re correct the quality is good on this camera and even better on M3pro and again can be better on M3 cine etc etc.
the argument here directly to do with bitrate is nonsense, it was well known on release of this drone how it would work what bitrate it would have and why and the end result would show more quality not less and IMO having owned it and its predecessor thats true. It has also been said here on this forum that these parameters will not change and I believe that to be the case.

It’s not about whether this drone is professional or not “it isn’t “ but can it be used professionally, yes certainly, but it won’t make you a professional and will only turn out photos/videos as good as the operator that uses it. So instead of denigrating a great product use it improve your shooting with it and get the most you can out of it.

I think your contractors are satisfied in your work not your type of drone and if this drone and your work are satisfactory for your professional work then it doesn’t deserve the criticism of a few who call themselves professionals but continually blame their tools. Many new flyers starting out using drones in their new photography hobby come here for help in choosing and it becomes very confusing when the products are continually rubbished particularly for the wrong reasons and so jumping on the bandwagon becomes the easiest thing to do. I still have yet to see what is lacking on this drone in quality for sensor size and tech in this drone, but certainly a lot of talk, I have heard the usual you could see detail in the leaves with more Mbps but that goes for every single drone dji , the arguments are rubbish and nonsensical because apart from better quality improvements we see over time for all dji drones and cameras that is the best we can expect and because I have seen this in almost every dji product I expect it will be the same here.

What is the definition and specs of a "professional" drone?  While there are drones that have different performance and quality levels, companies use labels such as "professional" for customer/product segmentation.  Any drone can be used professionally if they are able to achieve the desired results for their clients or project.

Occams Razor Posted at 1-23 08:36
What is the definition and specs of a "professional" drone?  While there are drones that have different performance and quality levels, companies use labels such as "professional" for customer/product segmentation.  Any drone can be used professionally if they are able to achieve the desired results for their clients or project.

You obviously didn’t read what I wrote, and you said it yourself “any drone can be used professionally IF THEY ARE ABLE TO ACHEIVE THE RESULTS, emphasis should be on “they “ and not the drone. If you think you can buy any price or category drone and it will result in professional work quality and finish then you’re fooling yourself. The problem here is simple , we have one professional above who believes the quality is good and usable for professional work and another who believes in his own words its a piece of junk, which its not. But it’s also fair to say some productions editors will insist on certain requirements that can only be achieved with usually more expensive capable equipment.

What you have is two “professionals” one using the equipment for his professional work and making it work for him , the other whining his work is not professional because his non acting professional camera is not up to the job, but is either incompetent or the camera is not up to the standard he needs to achieve what he needs to achieve, in this case he needs better more capable equipment and has not acted very professionally buying something not up to the job. Having seen some of the work the latter is not the problem.


When the first shoe salesman arrived in Africa and realised no one was wearing shoes he got back on the plane and said no point in selling shoes here, however the second shoe salesman arrived and saw no one wearing shoes and thought the market for shoes here is huge.

Hallmark007 Posted at 1-23 09:12
You obviously didn’t read what I wrote, and you said it yourself “any drone can be used professionally IF THEY ARE ABLE TO ACHEIVE THE RESULTS, emphasis should be on “they “ and not the drone. If you think you can buy any price or category drone and it will result in professional work quality and finish then you’re fooling yourself. The problem here is simple , we have one professional above who believes the quality is good and usable for professional work and another who believes in his own words its a piece of junk, which its not. But it’s also fair to say some productions editors will insist on certain requirements that can only be achieved with usually more expensive capable equipment.

What you have is two “professionals” one using the equipment for his professional work and making it work for him , the other whining his work is not professional because his non acting professional camera is not up to the job, but is either incompetent or the camera is not up to the standard he needs to achieve what he needs to achieve, in this case he needs better more capable equipment and has not acted very professionally buying something not up to the job. Having seen some of the work the latter is not the problem.

"When the first shoe salesman arrived in Africa and realised no one was wearing shoes he got back on the plane and said no point in selling shoes here, however the second shoe salesman arrived and saw no one wearing shoes and thought the market for shoes here is huge."


You Idiot!  Another one of your professional opinions???


You know about shoes as much as you know about photograhy...


https://historyfacts.com/arts-cu ... e-history-of-shoes/

https://www.thoughtco.com/the-history-of-shoes-170943

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoe


Why can't you stick to the topic or at least express yourself with real FACTS, instead of always lying just to prove that you have no point....

Burt37 Posted at 1-23 13:52
"When the first shoe salesman arrived in Africa and realised no one was wearing shoes he got back on the plane and said no point in selling shoes here, however the second shoe salesman arrived and saw no one wearing shoes and thought the market for shoes here is huge."

Are you really that dumb that you don’t know what an analogy is, this is a very famous quote from a book.

Heiress Posted at 1-23 14:14
Are you really that dumb that you don’t know what an analogy is, this is a very famous quote from a book.

Well, you are both from Ireland...

How about that, for another very bad analogy...

You two, always seem to miss the point of the conversation.. Is it deliberate???

Did you two went to the same school? Was knowledge and understanding optional?? Just out of curiosity, which book was that, the one you are refering too?

I got several Irish friends, and they are nothing like the two of you...


PS

Don't shoot the messenger...

Burt37 Posted at 1-23 14:42
Well, you are both from Ireland...

How about that, for another very bad analogy...

Did you two went to the same school?

Wow you’re dumb, thats not English maybe its Australian , but I’m certain no Australian would be that dumb.

Heiress Posted at 1-23 15:12
Did you two went to the same school?

Wow you’re dumb, thats not English maybe its Australian , but I’m certain no Australian would be that dumb.

You’re right he is that dumb, most people around Here give him a wide berth and you’d be advised to do the same. He has no interest in drones. Good luck.

Heiress Posted at 1-23 15:12
Did you two went to the same school?

Wow you’re dumb, thats not English maybe its Australian , but I’m certain no Australian would be that dumb.

I think you skipped the main question...

And you are probably right... Thats not English and neither its Australian...

Hallmark007 Posted at 1-23 15:15
You’re right he is that dumb, most people around Here give him a wide berth and you’d be advised to do the same. He has no interest in drones. Good luck.

And how would you possibly know that???

I found a picture of your class reunion



Besty...

I owned a Mavic 2 PRO, and later an Air 2s. I found the Air 2s was a major step up from the M2 Pro. Now, I got an Air 3s. I have to say that after some comparative tests using test patterns I found the Air 2s is significantly better than the Air 3s at the comparable frame rate, resolution and mode (HLG or D-log) and default style for the 3s. The Air 3s in HLG mode has issues with the blue dot over a white grid on black background. The grid bleeds into the blue dot creating dark artefacts. This does not happen on the 3s D-log setting and most of all it does not happen in any mode on the 2s. But maybe worse than that is the moire issue on vertical lines. It is much worse than the 2s, again at default style setting. That, I am sure has to do with the encoder having compression issues because it literally flashes terrible artefacts on the patterns. I believe that DJI pushed the "sharpness" on the 3s to at least appear to produce level of details shown by the Air 2s. I sure hope going forward, DJI will improve that (higher efficiency) encoder to manage the moire effects better. Pretty disappointing to say the least. However there are two aspects that the 3s is better: 1) the optics are a bit better showing no apparent chromatic aberration. 2) The 3s does MUCH better in shadows, and shadow details with much less noise in the shadows even in HLG mode. That is probably the most important and most significant video quality improvement over the 2s. I suspect that if the 3s 1" sensor is only 12MP then the pixels are much larger which is most likely responsible to produce a wider dynamic range. 3s HLG video with extreme range subjects clearly shows that off and is much better than the 2s. Also, 4K (Dlog and HLG) at 30 frames records at around 80Mb/s while at 60 frames about 90Mb/s. Both, nowhere near 130Mb/s. The Air2s recorded 10-bit video at about 103Mb/s at 30 frames.

My conclusions: Since the moire issue and the blue color "bleed artefact" in HLG are most likely solvable by firmware over time, yet are quite disappointing at this point, the dynamic range with much lower noise alone makes the Air3s as a camera drone clearly a step up over the 2s and the drone itself most definitely is.

roamer105 Posted at 1-30 13:32
I owned a Mavic 2 PRO, and later an Air 2s. I found the Air 2s was a major step up from the M2 Pro. Now, I got an Air 3s. I have to say that after some comparative tests using test patterns I found the Air 2s is significantly better than the Air 3s at the comparable frame rate, resolution and mode (HLG or D-log) and default style for the 3s. The Air 3s in HLG mode has issues with the blue dot over a white grid on black background. The grid bleeds into the blue dot creating dark artefacts. This does not happen on the 3s D-log setting and most of all it does not happen in any mode on the 2s. But maybe worse than that is the moire issue on vertical lines. It is much worse than the 2s, again at default style setting. That, I am sure has to do with the encoder having compression issues because it literally flashes terrible artefacts on the patterns. I believe that DJI pushed the "sharpness" on the 3s to at least appear to produce level of details shown by the Air 2s. I sure hope going forward, DJI will improve that (higher efficiency) encoder to manage the moire effects better. Pretty disappointing to say the least. However there are two aspects that the 3s is better: 1) the optics are a bit better showing no apparent chromatic aberration. 2) The 3s does MUCH better in shadows, and shadow details with much less noise in the shadows even in HLG mode. That is probably the most important and most significant video quality improvement over the 2s. I suspect that if the 3s 1" sensor is only 12MP then the pixels are much larger which is most likely responsible to produce a wider dynamic range. 3s HLG video with extreme range subjects clearly shows that off and is much better than the 2s. Also, 4K (Dlog and HLG) at 30 frames records at around 80Mb/s while at 60 frames about 90Mb/s. Both, nowhere near 130Mb/s. The Air2s recorded 10-bit video at about 103Mb/s at 30 frames.

My conclusions: Since the moire issue and the blue color "bleed artefact" in HLG are most likely solvable by firmware over time, yet are quite disappointing at this point, the dynamic range with much lower noise alone makes the Air3s as a camera drone clearly a step up over the 2s and the drone itself most definitely is.

Also a lot of us believe same thing and asked same thing: Increase the bitrate by decreasing the compression = use smaller blocks = less artificial Sharpening = less Aliasing and less Moire.

Simple as that....
Also a test from an Youtuber that was an independent observer showed clearly that Action 5 after bitrate was increased retains a little more details, clearing the moire from the shirt he was wearing and revealing more details....

That is all we want...except some D (Dave....Dumb....same D) here that is yelling that he does not need it....well, for him one simple advice: Do not upgrade when is appearing...in this way you will be satisfied.

roamer105 Posted at 1-30 13:32
I owned a Mavic 2 PRO, and later an Air 2s. I found the Air 2s was a major step up from the M2 Pro. Now, I got an Air 3s. I have to say that after some comparative tests using test patterns I found the Air 2s is significantly better than the Air 3s at the comparable frame rate, resolution and mode (HLG or D-log) and default style for the 3s. The Air 3s in HLG mode has issues with the blue dot over a white grid on black background. The grid bleeds into the blue dot creating dark artefacts. This does not happen on the 3s D-log setting and most of all it does not happen in any mode on the 2s. But maybe worse than that is the moire issue on vertical lines. It is much worse than the 2s, again at default style setting. That, I am sure has to do with the encoder having compression issues because it literally flashes terrible artefacts on the patterns. I believe that DJI pushed the "sharpness" on the 3s to at least appear to produce level of details shown by the Air 2s. I sure hope going forward, DJI will improve that (higher efficiency) encoder to manage the moire effects better. Pretty disappointing to say the least. However there are two aspects that the 3s is better: 1) the optics are a bit better showing no apparent chromatic aberration. 2) The 3s does MUCH better in shadows, and shadow details with much less noise in the shadows even in HLG mode. That is probably the most important and most significant video quality improvement over the 2s. I suspect that if the 3s 1" sensor is only 12MP then the pixels are much larger which is most likely responsible to produce a wider dynamic range. 3s HLG video with extreme range subjects clearly shows that off and is much better than the 2s. Also, 4K (Dlog and HLG) at 30 frames records at around 80Mb/s while at 60 frames about 90Mb/s. Both, nowhere near 130Mb/s. The Air2s recorded 10-bit video at about 103Mb/s at 30 frames.

My conclusions: Since the moire issue and the blue color "bleed artefact" in HLG are most likely solvable by firmware over time, yet are quite disappointing at this point, the dynamic range with much lower noise alone makes the Air3s as a camera drone clearly a step up over the 2s and the drone itself most definitely is.

My conclusions: Since the moire issue and the blue color "bleed artefact" in HLG are most likely solvable by firmware over time, yet are quite disappointing at this point, the dynamic range with much lower noise alone makes the Air3s as a camera drone clearly a step up over the 2s and the drone itself most definitely is.

I think you’ll find that while you might think and hope that moire will be sorted with firmware, you should refer to Mavic pro 3 which has a lot worse Aliasing moire in certain situations and 200mbps has not sorted this out, in fact bitrate has nothing to do with aliasing moire and if it had then surely there would be less on the M3 pro. Aliasing/ moire are pretty easy to sort in post and it’s pretty easy to know when it’s likely to occur.
I do agree that shadow detail on the air3 s is exceptionally good and we all know that bitrate is directly associated with detail , and I do believe quality will improve with firmware updates as it has in all dji cameras.

Geo_Drone Posted at 1-31 02:01
Also a lot of us believe same thing and asked same thing: Increase the bitrate by decreasing the compression = use smaller blocks = less artificial Sharpening = less Aliasing and less Moire.

Simple as that....

No need to avoid upgrading, dji have already said that bitrate would not be increased on the air3s, it was also never increased on the action 5 it was brought up to advertised spec and if you think the increase got rid of moire then is almost no difference in bitrate on the air3s to the action 5.

Hallmark007 Posted at 1-31 03:50
No need to avoid upgrading, dji have already said that bitrate would not be increased on the air3s, it was also never increased on the action 5 it was brought up to advertised spec and if you think the increase got rid of moire then is almost no difference in bitrate on the air3s to the action 5.

Who said? A bot with some American name, acting as a support here?  ))))))