Dear DJI add the HDR on & off, how many votes does it take to get this addressed By April 15th for new Firmware added

At this juncture, reputational damage to DJI should be a genuine concern, given the imminent release of new devices in the coming days.

You can turn HDR on or off already, just select image type.

In the sun Posted at 2-17 21:29
You can turn HDR on or off already, just select image type.

how do I do that?

In the sun Posted at 2-17 21:29
You can turn HDR on or off already, just select image type.

No. HDR cannot be turned off  in normal color modes (neutral & vivid).

Also, per DJI info, even in "flat" DlogM, HDR processing is being done in different ways depending on if you chose manual or automatic exposure.

Request to DJI: can you verify this? That a HDR on/off feature will never be implemented on the Oa5?If true... you need to broadcast this publicly.

DJI, you're totally screwed.

It looks as though the Action 4 is the one to buy if you want a DJI product. Following this, I imagine the forthcoming Action 6 is a half dead duck in the water.

DJI will follow the same course that GoPro did after the Hero 9 with the Action 5. My feeling is that they don't care because they have other products so that it won't hit them as hard as it did GoPro. So they really don't care.

Unless for some reason, the way that the camera is made stops it being possible? As it is, I would love to return it since I have no use for it with its plastic looking footage.

I feel that DJI are making a mistake that will lose them many customers as a result.

Iancraig10 Posted at 2-18 10:59
It looks as though the Action 4 is the one to buy if you want a DJI product. Following this, I imagine the forthcoming Action 6 is a half dead duck in the water.

DJI will follow the same course that GoPro did after the Hero 9.

Apparently the waves of hype created by corrupt youtubers wash away all the problems.

Iancraig10 Posted at 2-18 10:59
It looks as though the Action 4 is the one to buy if you want a DJI product. Following this, I imagine the forthcoming Action 6 is a half dead duck in the water.

DJI will follow the same course that GoPro did after the Hero 9.

Two lame ducks to shoot here, I’ll be voting with my feet… disappointing DJI really, really disappointing.

Tian Shan Nomad Posted at 2-18 11:02
Apparently the waves of hype created by corrupt youtubers wash away all the problems.

This one will spread like wildfire on YouTube. There are already many people who aren’t sure about buying an Action 5. I get quite a few emails from my channel asking whether it’s worth buying compared to the 4.

This news will lose those types of customers and also the support of their current customers because I will be very reticent to return after this to any new camera from them. I cut GoPro completely and it looks like I think it’s time to also lose DJI unfortunately.

I went out with my Ace Pro today. Yes, only 8 bit, but way better picture quality than the 5 because it was sunny and the 5 crushed everything. The Ace looked vibrant and punchy. The question of 8 bit colour manipulation doesnt arise because it's fine in the first place!

So I think I might well be moving on to the Ace Pro 2 now. I’ve been holding off hoping that the Action 5 would be sorted. No point hanging around to see if they fix their squashed picture.

BaynhamPhoto Posted at 2-18 11:06
Two lame ducks to shoot here, I’ll be voting with my feet… disappointing DJI really, really disappointing.

Me too. I can feel some videos coming on for YouTube …….

What's wrong with using HLG/DLogM if you don't like the "normal" colors?

The "toggle" that you are asking for is a whole new color profile. This is not a simple fix, and it would be very surprising if DJI spends the developer resources to add such a feature. The "HDR look" you are unhappy with is caused by local tone mapping, and DJI probably went that way because GoPro has it since a few generations.

The camera has to map colors form what the sensor records to what the output format supports. Color is highly subjective, so whatever solution DJI provides, there will be people who don't like it. Personally, I don't like the look either, but I am more than happy to shoot in DLogM and either apply a LUT or transform the colors to something I like.

why is dji replying to a random youtuber about a problem we all are talking and asking in there for months now, and to us the customers and fans (former fans) directly???

fish sticks Posted at 2-18 12:25
What's wrong with using HLG/DLogM if you don't like the "normal" colors?

The "toggle" that you are asking for is a whole new color profile. This is not a simple fix, and it would be very surprising if DJI spends the developer resources to add such a feature. The "HDR look" you are unhappy with is caused by local tone mapping, and DJI probably went that way because GoPro has it since a few generations.

The Ace Pro maps the colours from the same sensor in much superior way and it has a toggle.

Come launch of the Ace Pro's next model, I'll switch over even though if it means replacing all the adaptor mounts I have with the Action series. ...as long as they keep the HDR on/off feature.

I'm actually quite impressed with the Ace Pro 2....been playing with it for a while now....and the Menu options are impressive.

1st and last dji product for me then it its .
Spend my hard earned money on a cam hoping for a good product and now we get screwed over ....back to gopro its is then ...

fish sticks Posted at 2-18 12:25
What's wrong with using HLG/DLogM if you don't like the "normal" colors?

The "toggle" that you are asking for is a whole new color profile. This is not a simple fix, and it would be very surprising if DJI spends the developer resources to add such a feature. The "HDR look" you are unhappy with is caused by local tone mapping, and DJI probably went that way because GoPro has it since a few generations.

Part of the problem is this terrible HDR effect bleeds into D Log M. That wouldn't be a problem if DJI released a new LUT for the Action 5 that accounted for this, but they didn't. As for HLG, as far as I've seen it's the only mode that behaves correctly, except every single person I've seen demonstrate that is also unable to properly convert the HLG footage to Rec.709 It's not clear to me why this is, but it seems to be due to biasing to a ridiculously bright exposure target.

So the problems of Normal color profile are just a way to illustrate that the OA5 is a step backwards in color science in EVERY mode. Insta360's Ace Pro line has objectively better color science. The irony is they were neck-and-neck with the OA4.

I'm done with dealing with this. I'm putting my OA5 up for sale this week. It's clear DJI's program mangers for the Osmo Action series are simply out of touch since they refuse to greenlight addressing this fundamental problem. Suffice it to say, it'll be hard to convince me to buy any other DJI projects again after this experience.

Iancraig10 Posted at 2-18 13:00
The Ace Pro maps the colours from the same sensor in much superior way and it has a toggle.

Glad to hear that your issue with not being able to obtain superior colors got resolved!

Insta360 sends a huge thank you to DJI for the new customers

djiuser_LwyoNpTKujE3 Posted at 2-18 20:11
Part of the problem is this terrible HDR effect bleeds into D Log M. That wouldn't be a problem if DJI released a new LUT for the Action 5 that accounted for this, but they didn't. As for HLG, as far as I've seen it's the only mode that behaves correctly, except every single person I've seen demonstrate that is also unable to properly convert the HLG footage to Rec.709 It's not clear to me why this is, but it seems to be due to biasing to a ridiculously bright exposure target.

So the problems of Normal color profile are just a way to illustrate that the OA5 is a step backwards in color science in EVERY mode. Insta360's Ace Pro line has objectively better color science. The irony is they were neck-and-neck with the OA4.

There is nothing wrong with using a camera that gives you colors you like more, be it the action/gopro/acepro or something else. Or in the case of insta, get paid to like it better.

Also, if you are passionate about color, I'd suggest you look into color grading yourself. That way, you won't have to rely on standard or pre-baked color profiles to get what you want.

fish sticks Posted at 2-18 20:30
There is nothing wrong with using a camera that gives you colors you like more, be it the action/gopro/acepro or something else.

Also, if you are passionate about color, I'd suggest you look into color grading yourself. That way, you won't have to rely on standard or pre-baked color profiles to get what you want.

The problem with DJI's aggressive algorithm goes far beyond color correction

fish sticks Posted at 2-18 12:25
What's wrong with using HLG/DLogM if you don't like the "normal" colors?

The "toggle" that you are asking for is a whole new color profile. This is not a simple fix, and it would be very surprising if DJI spends the developer resources to add such a feature. The "HDR look" you are unhappy with is caused by local tone mapping, and DJI probably went that way because GoPro has it since a few generations.

In D-LOG M and HLG mode, vignetting and uncontrolled brightness jumps are very pronounced. As a result, the video can be thrown in the trash.

fish sticks Posted at 2-18 12:25
What's wrong with using HLG/DLogM if you don't like the "normal" colors?

The "toggle" that you are asking for is a whole new color profile. This is not a simple fix, and it would be very surprising if DJI spends the developer resources to add such a feature. The "HDR look" you are unhappy with is caused by local tone mapping, and DJI probably went that way because GoPro has it since a few generations.

I agree for example Gopro STANDARD profile is BAD with skin tones especially when in direct sunlight,  BUT also has a FLAT color profile limiting tone mapping, and the HDR switch.
Forcing HDR is not a clever choice, i use DLOGM or HLG all the time and results are ok for me, but i understand sometimes you want ready to use footage but not cartoon looking like the one that is produced with the NORMAL mode , especially in strong outdoor lightning conditions.

If DJI wants to copy , at least copy in the right way.
I would have switched to Gopro because in my opinion it produced the best looking footage for landscapes, but is too limited in low light and with batteries charge times.

Bonjour
Vous voulez avoir des prises de vue parfaite sans rien faire dés la prise de vue pour 400€ ?????????????????????????A+patc45 de France (bandes de rêveurs)

Supsss3 Posted at 2-18 21:44
In D-LOG M and HLG mode, vignetting and uncontrolled brightness jumps are very pronounced. As a result, the video can be thrown in the trash.

The inconsistency in brightness in D-LOG M is a catastrophe, especially if you have the sun behind you. The recordings belong in a trash can. What's interesting, is that this phenomenon happens in 10-bit colour depth mode too. As it stands, the camera is completely useless. The firmware V01.03.0350 ruined everything.

CBR74 Posted at 2-19 03:03
The inconsistency in brightness in D-LOG M is a catastrophe, especially if you have the sun behind you. The recordings belong in a trash can. What's interesting, is that this phenomenon happens in 10-bit colour depth mode too. As it stands, the camera is completely useless. The firmware V01.03.0350 ruined everything.

Can you attach an example? (No, I'm not a robot parrot)

fish sticks Posted at 2-18 12:25
What's wrong with using HLG/DLogM if you don't like the "normal" colors?

The "toggle" that you are asking for is a whole new color profile. This is not a simple fix, and it would be very surprising if DJI spends the developer resources to add such a feature. The "HDR look" you are unhappy with is caused by local tone mapping, and DJI probably went that way because GoPro has it since a few generations.

This is Dlog-M with the DJI lut applied, not good it will need many extra work to make the greens don't look radioactive and I don't even know if its possible to do it. IMO DJI went with the HDR looks because nowadays is popular, even some flagship phones have this HDR look.  

At this point I will be happy with just being able to lower the sharpness more in the Normal color profiles, since it looks like colors are not priority for them or it may even be a hardware limitation, since the Ace Pro 2 has more processing power for being able to toggle the HDR off?

djiuser_9Ffc1KLOSd49 Posted at 2-19 01:42
Bonjour
Vous voulez avoir des prises de vue parfaite sans rien faire dés la prise de vue pour 400€ ?????????????????????????A+patc45 de France (bandes de rêveurs)

Oui. comme le fait l'Ace Pro.

Hi.Fishycomics. May I clarify this:
Do you mean HDR off is Action4 color tone like in this thread?

https://forum.dji.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=334137

DJI-ytao Posted at 2-19 05:55
Hi.Fishycomics. May I clarify this:
Do you mean HDR off is Action4 color tone like in this thread?

Finally someone from R&D
please acknowledge that your HDR tone mapping you are using in NORMAL color profiles and DLOG-M is not OK, in high contrast scenes ( especially direct sun )  the colors goes to the 'radioactive' side and people skin gets flattened transforming humans in aliens.
That's Why we need an HDR OFF toggle for both normal and DLOG-M or at least a FLAT profile ( like GoPro and Insta360 have ) in order to smooth or better remove tone mapping.
This forum section for Osmo Action 5 is full of samples where we've sent examples on how HDR tone mapping is behaving incorrectly , especially with auto ISO 100-12800 there is the impression you are merging exposures at both ends

DJI-ytao Posted at 2-19 05:55
Hi.Fishycomics. May I clarify this:
Do you mean HDR off is Action4 color tone like in this thread?

Check also this one from 5:56 onwards
The difference between OA4 (good) and OA5 ( bluish and bad - lost of contrast/ tone mapping ) is evident
the tome mapping is also causing loss of volume/contrast in Clouds etc..

fish sticks Posted at 2-18 20:14
Glad to hear that your issue with not being able to obtain superior colors got resolved!

Yes. The Ace Pro with its 8 bit and no colour correction necessary much of the time is such a nice way to work. On top of that, switch the hdr on and things don’t go odd looking. Presumably because Insta 360 did the tonal mapping rather better than DJI with the same sensor?

Tian Shan Nomad Posted at 2-19 03:42
Can you attach an example? (No, I'm not a robot parrot)

This is how D-LOG M + Lut looks like with sun in front and behind you. In 10-bit colour depth mode it's a similiar thing. The catastrophe starts whenever you turn the camera on a face, which makes everything really bright!

peloncr Posted at 2-19 05:08
This is Dlog-M with the DJI lut applied, not good it will need many extra work to make the greens don't look radioactive and I don't even know if its possible to do it. IMO DJI went with the HDR looks because nowadays is popular, specially in China smartphones, even some of their very expensive flagship phones have this HDR look.  

At this point I will be happy with just being able to lower the sharpness more in the Normal color profiles, since it looks like colors are not priority for them or it may even be a hardware limitation, since the Ace Pro 2 has more processing power for being able to toggle the HDR off?

You could probably lower the brightness/exposure in the software that applied the LUT? Or lower the exposure in camera to compensate.

I have only had the camera for a bit, but so far DLogM with a color transform to rec.709 gives me colors I barely want to tweak. I do record underwater, and I don't use the LUT, so maybe doesn't apply here.

DJI-ytao Posted at 2-19 05:55
Hi.Fishycomics. May I clarify this:
Do you mean HDR off is Action4 color tone like in this thread?

Hi, I think it is the same complaint as in the other thread.

They don't like the look of the "Reinhard et al." tone mapping (or the high local contrast), and prefer the normal profile of the A4.

DJI-ytao Posted at 2-19 05:55
Hi.Fishycomics. May I clarify this:
Do you mean HDR off is Action4 color tone like in this thread?

I may be wrong here, but... This is a surprising reply as it implies that R&D barely have any idea what our complaints are about. Complaints that have been going on since day 1 from OA5 launch. Has DJI not been monitoring?

Bruka Posted at 2-19 13:07
I may be wrong here, but... This is a surprising reply as it implies that R&D barely have any idea what our complaints are about. Complaints that have been going on since day 1 from OA5 launch. Has DJI not been monitoring?

Not surprising at all, given the amount of spam that has nothing to do with a technical issue, like your post, for example.