Anyone have notice this? [Avata 2]

Luca Rubino

I'm seeing many hype around this new Avata 2. Ok, it's a new product and yes, it's fine with that. I understand.
The Avata 1 was so buggy and I hope this new Avata will not, but the Avata 1 has a big advantages over the new ones.
You could repleace the prop guards and that sort of canopy by yourself. Like any FPV drones out there.
The Avata 2 is a monoblock. If you break it... you have to send it to DJI $$$
I figure it's robust like the old one. But you don't have this important opportunity in a FPV drone where collisions aren't so rare (if you fly like a real FPV drone)

The Saint

sorry but this is irrelevant. dji care refresh is cheap.

Mr. Mucus

DJI Care is $99 for two years & the deductible for a crash is $29.

DJI Paladin

Hello, Luca. We appreciate you looking at our newly released product, DJI Avata 2. Yes, the DJI Avata series features built-in propeller guards and faster flight speeds, making it safer and more thrilling to navigate through indoor spaces and forests, allowing you to focus on enjoying the visual impact of stunt moves and racing. In addition, if you experience an incident with this unit and you are located in the EU region, rest assured that the aircraft is equipped with an original warranty which covers product malfunction issues. Should you have other inquiries or concerns, feel free to contact us. Thank you for your valued support.

Luca Rubino

The Saint Posted at 4-12 18:31
sorry but this is irrelevant. dji care refresh is cheap.

Irrelevant?
If you crash during a job session you have to stop everything? And this is irrelevant? You have to pay 99+29 dollar? For a prop guard? 5 dollar the Cinelog35V2 prop guard! With every other cinewhoop/toothpick/racing/freestale/longrange, in 5/10 minutes you change everything you broke and you are reay to start again.
Are you serious?

Luca Rubino

Mr. Mucus Posted at 4-12 18:38
DJI Care is $99 for two years & the deductible for a crash is $29.

GEPRC Cinelog35V2 cost 5$ the prop guard. well. 128 dollars > 5 dollars.
And if you are in the middle of a job, you have to abort.

Luca Rubino

If for you 128 euros for a props-guard are cheap (drone costs 489), and quit a job session or wait 2/3 weeks is irrelevant, hands up. you won.
I cannot argue with it.With 130 euros I could buy 2 or 3 units of the ENTIRE carbon frame + props guard of any 3" or 3.5" cinewhoop out there, and it's cheaper for you?
Any props guard cost from 5 to 10 euros... but pay 128 euro is cheap for you. Ok.
Maybe you are not into the FPV world.

=DUH=

Luca Rubino Posted at 4-13 08:59
If for you 128 euros for a props-guard are cheap (drone costs 489), and quit a job session or wait 2/3 weeks is irrelevant, hands up. you won.
I cannot argue with it.With 130 euros I could buy 2 or 3 units of the ENTIRE carbon frame + props guard of any 3" or 3.5" cinewhoop out there, and it's cheaper for you?
Any props guard cost from 5 to 10 euros... but pay 128 euro is cheap for you. Ok.

If it's so important for your "Job" then better buy a spare drone in advance.

Luca Rubino

=DUH= Posted at 4-13 09:16
If it's so important for your "Job" then better buy a spare drone in advance.

And thers is NO spare part for the Avata 2 unlike the Avata 1.
That was my criticized point of view.

The Saint

sorry i thought you were comparing avata 1 to avata 2

Luca Rubino

The Saint Posted at 4-13 09:46
sorry i thought you were comparing avata 1 to avata 2

Props guard of the Avata 1 costs 19 euro. Not 128 euro. Which is cheaper?

Luca Rubino

You could consider everything you want. But how could you say it's cheap?

Luca Rubino

Sorry, wrong image

Mr. Mucus

Luca Rubino Posted at 4-13 09:18
And thers is NO spare part for the Avata 2 unlike the Avata 1.
That was my criticized point of view.

I watched Mad Tech's complete teardown of an Avata 2 last night. One thing for certain is, if you purchase an Avata 2, you definitely want to purchase Care Refresh. Disassembly is NOT a simple task.

That said, at $489 for the bird-only, you are not going to build or find a comparable FPV drone with anywhere near the feature set or flight time of an Avata 2. If using an Avata 2 professionally, the cost of a spare drone is quite reasonable. The cost of Care Refresh & the $29 deductible is modest, & with the Express option you will have a replacement drone in only a few days.

Luca Rubino

Mr. Mucus Posted at 4-13 10:09
I watched Mad Tech's complete teardown of an Avata 2 last night. One thing for certain is, if you purchase an Avata 2, you definitely want to purchase Care Refresh. Disassembly is NOT a simple task.

That said, at $489 for the bird-only, you are not going to build or find a comparable FPV drone with anywhere near the feature set or flight time of an Avata 2. If using an Avata 2 professionally, the cost of a spare drone is quite reasonable. The cost of Care Refresh & the $29 deductible is quite modest, & with the Express option you will have a replacement drone in only a few days.

And you confirm what I said. This is a step down from the Avatar 1. And this was the most criticized part of the DJI FPV.
The ONLY reason to use the Avata 2 professionally, here in EU, is the C1 class mark.
So.. 2 Avatas are 978 euros + 198 euro for DJI care for every two drones. I repeat. There are a lot of better options out there, more cheaper, and fly better.
I don't care what people would use to work or have fun. But the point is, how you could say 128 euro for a props guard is cheap. I mean the others two users.
If you are a company, you would spent less as possible to be more competitive. Not more as possible.

Mr. Mucus

Luca Rubino Posted at 4-13 10:27
And you confirm what I said. This is a step down from the Avatar 1. And this was the most criticized part of the DJI FPV.
The ONLY reason to use the Avata 2 professionally, here in EU, is the C1 class mark.
So.. 2 Avatas are 978 euros + 198 euro for DJI care for every two drones. I repeat. There are a lot of better options out there, more cheaper, and fly better.

It is not "$128 for prop guards". It is $128 for ANYTHING. If it gets run over by a semi, you can gather up the pieces & get a replacement. If it crashes in the ocean, as long as you can retrieve it, you get a replacement. And you can do that up to FOUR times over 2 years for $29 per incident. Even if you lose it completely, you can get a replacement, though the deductible is higher.

For your level of experience & choice of equipment, perhaps the Avata/Avata 2 is not optimal, but keep in mind the Avata & Avata 2 are what I will call easy FPV. No need to build a quad, spend hours learning & tweaking in BetaFlight, or to assemble an FPV kit. The Avata kits allow people to easily enter the hobby, which is good for all of us who enjoy RC. Newbies can immediately enjoy flying in Normal or Sport modes, then move up to Manual mode if they so desire. Care Refresh makes perfect sense for these users.

Luca Rubino

Mr. Mucus Posted at 4-13 10:41
It is not "$128 for prop guards". It is $128 for ANYTHING. If it gets run over by a semi, you can gather up the pieces & get a replacement. If it crashes in the ocean, as long as you can retrieve it, you get a replacement. And you can do that up to FOUR times over 2 years for $29 per incident. Even if you lose it completely, you can get a replacement, though the deductible is higher.

For your level of experience & choice of equipment, perhaps the Avata/Avata 2 is not optimal, but keep in mind the Avata & Avata 2 are what I will call easy FPV. No need to build a quad, spend hours learning & tweaking in BetaFlight, or to assemble an FPV kit. The Avata kits allow people to easily enter the hobby, which is good for all of us who enjoy RC. Newbies can immediately enjoy flying in Normal or Sport modes, then move up to Manual mode if they so desire. Care Refresh makes perfect sense for these users.

Yes but if a just brake the props guard, I pay still 128 euro!
Other than the VTX (and not all vix in the market), which part in a FPV drone cost more than 128 euro nowadays?
Also the O3 camera cost 99 dollars if you accidentally brake it (never happened to me). Less than 128 dollars.
It is not 29$ for one incident. Did you forget about the 99 dollars? It's at least 78 dollars.
I won't buy the Avata 2. It doesn't suite my needs. But it's not the point of the thread. Because the Avata 1, as you said, could be great for newbie, but it's reparable. Easily.
And another thing people don't consider, sometimes you need to disassembly your drone to clean it. If accidentally you land it on the sand. If you crash over some mud. There are a lot of cases. And one of them happened to my (ex) Avata 1. I removed the props guard, the cage and cleaned everything and it was again like a new ones. Impossible to do without remove at least the props guard.
Now you have to spend 29 (78) dollars for that?
Avata is a FPV drone. Not a Mavic. Crash, incident and pilot errors are not rare. Even to super Pros pilots. Thinks about a newbie

Mr. Mucus

Luca Rubino Posted at 4-13 11:28
Yes but if a just brake the props guard, I pay still 128 euro!
Other than the VTX (and not all vix in the market), which part in a FPV drone cost more than 128 euro nowadays?
Also the O3 camera cost 99 dollars if you accidentally brake it (never happened to me). Less than 128 dollars.

I did not forget about anything. $99 + ($29 x 4) means for $215 total you can get a replacement Avata 2 FOUR TIMES over 2 years. This compared to $1956 for purchasing 4 x Avata 2 drone-only. I am sorry if you cannot appreciate the convenience of this but, as you admit, you aren't buying an Avata 2. For many if not most users, DJI Care is a welcome & affordable option.

SnowSkier Pilot

The Saint Posted at 4-12 18:31
sorry but this is irrelevant. dji care refresh is cheap.

My thoughts exactly!

Proper Films

I've been looking for replacement parts for the Avata 2, but when I contact the DJI Support they say there are no spare parts and I would have to send it in for repair. Which is really frustrating as it's a simple repair I've done many times. I guess this is all to push everyone to have to purchase their repair service and pay 20x the cost of the repair and take over a week of time... Did you end up sending your Avata 2 back into DJI?

Luca Rubino

Proper Films Posted at 5-19 12:27
I've been looking for replacement parts for the Avata 2, but when I contact the DJI Support they say there are no spare parts and I would have to send it in for repair. Which is really frustrating as it's a simple repair I've done many times. I guess this is all to push everyone to have to purchase their repair service and pay 20x the cost of the repair and take over a week of time... Did you end up sending your Avata 2 back into DJI?

I already knew that similar situations would happen, although I repeat, in this forum, if you say something against DJI, everyone tells you "it's not true", "It's your fault", "there is this (expensive) solution", "Avata 2 is the best drone in the world", "oh my god, don't name the name of DJI in vain".

I'm sorry for what happened to you and I understand your frustration.

This was one (of many) reasons why the Avata 2 will never enter my fleet.

fichek

If you crash so badly at a job that you break a prop guard, maybe consider changing your career. Or just use your precious cinelog and let people who appreciate the features of Avata enjoy them. No one's forcing you to use a drone you don't like.

Luca Rubino

fichek Posted at 5-20 00:18
If you crash so badly at a job that you break a prop guard, maybe consider changing your career. Or just use your precious cinelog and let people who appreciate the features of Avata enjoy them. No one's forcing you to use a drone you don't like.

No one forcing you to reply to this thread.

You're one of those who "oh touched me DJI... "

You should know, that even the best pilots in the world, occasionally crash.

According to your reasoning, a professional footballer never misses a penalty, a Formula One driver never makes an accident, one who plays extreme sports like Patrick de Gayardon can't die doing his job. Ken Block can't die driving. (spoiler: they did)

Do you know who is never wrong? Who never dares.

If you used a whoop, for what it is designed, then fly close to (also moving, unpredictable ) objects, in very small gaps, the risk of touching is high. And I repeat, even the biggest pilots crash. Pilots of which you and I put together, we are not worth a single nail of theirs.

Then if you fly in the open sky, 30 meters above the ground and away from obstacles, well, a Mini 4 Pro would do a better job.

fichek

Luca Rubino Posted at 5-20 00:23
No one forcing you to reply to this thread.

No, but it's fun to watch you lose your mind every time someone tries to reason with you.

fichek

Luca Rubino Posted at 5-20 00:23
You're one of those who "oh touched me DJI... "

Not even sure what that's supposed to mean

fichek

Luca Rubino Posted at 5-20 00:23
You should know, that even the best pilots in the world, occasionally crash.

According to your reasoning, a professional footballer never misses a penalty, a Formula One driver never makes an accident, one who plays extreme sports like Patrick de Gayardon can't die doing his job. Ken Block can't die driving. (spoiler: they did)

You're twisting my words again. I said if you crash a CINEWHOOP DURING A JOB so hard that it breaks, you're either incompetent or using wrong equipment.

Luca Rubino

fichek Posted at 5-20 00:32
No, but it's fun to watch you lose your mind every time someone tries to reason with you.

I'm not losing my mind.
I'm have fun, because I repost your comments to other FPV groups And everyone enjoys reading what you write

fichek

Luca Rubino Posted at 5-20 00:34
I'm have fun, because I repost your comments to other FPV groups And everyone enjoys reading what you write

I'm happy to entertain your imaginary friends.

Luca Rubino

fichek Posted at 5-20 00:36
I'm happy to entertain your imaginary friends.

If you are happy believing it, I'm glad for you

Luca Rubino

fichek Posted at 5-20 00:33
You're twisting my words again. I said if you crash a CINEWHOOP DURING A JOB so hard that it breaks, you're either incompetent or using wrong equipment.

You are the best FPV Pilot in the world. Mr. Steele is a newbie comparing to you

fichek

Luca Rubino Posted at 5-20 00:41
You are the best FPV Pilot in the world. Mr. Steele is a newbie comparing to you

Convincing.

Luca Rubino

fichek Posted at 5-20 00:45
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Convincing.

I repeat, if you are happy in your fantasy world, I'm glad for you

fichek

Luca Rubino Posted at 5-20 00:46
I repeat, if you are happy in your fantasy world, I'm glad for you

Thanks, that means a lot coming from you. I hope that one day you can also be happy.

Luca Rubino

fichek Posted at 5-20 00:55
Thanks, that means a lot coming from you. I hope that one day you can also be happy.

I don't know if you understood that you're saying that @ProperFilms is a ***** since he broke his avata 2.
And for you, you must be a ***** to broke a cinewhoop.

I know, this is so hard for you to understand that.
And you confirmed what I told him.

Thanks you.

Have a nice day. You gained a lot of DJI points as you wanted, because this is your goal. Save a few of bucks.

fichek

Luca Rubino Posted at 5-20 01:36
I don't know if you understood that you're saying that @ProperFilms is a ***** since he broke his avata 2.
And for you, you must be a ***** to broke a cinewhoop.

Never heard so I am not saying he is whatever five asterisks is supposed to be.

Luca Rubino

Proper Films Posted at 5-19 12:27
I've been looking for replacement parts for the Avata 2, but when I contact the DJI Support they say there are no spare parts and I would have to send it in for repair. Which is really frustrating as it's a simple repair I've done many times. I guess this is all to push everyone to have to purchase their repair service and pay 20x the cost of the repair and take over a week of time... Did you end up sending your Avata 2 back into DJI?

As you could read, here is not the place to have some rational discussion.

Luca Rubino

Proper Films Posted at 5-19 12:27
I've been looking for replacement parts for the Avata 2, but when I contact the DJI Support they say there are no spare parts and I would have to send it in for repair. Which is really frustrating as it's a simple repair I've done many times. I guess this is all to push everyone to have to purchase their repair service and pay 20x the cost of the repair and take over a week of time... Did you end up sending your Avata 2 back into DJI?

The only thing you should do is change your career or hobby following the fichek's advises.
Of course I'm joking, and I already told you what I think about it.
And I agree with you and understand your frustation.

Rick van den be

Just curious, is DJI care some kind of all-risk insurance? If i fly this thing into the lake, and it;s lost, would that still apply?

By the way, gotta agree a little with OP. As this thing is made for risky moves, you better have some spare parts available, which is very common in the fpv world. I don't think sending it to DJI will be quick enough if it's your job. Having a spare drone is of course an option.

Luca Rubino

Rick van den be Posted at 5-20 13:16
Just curious, is DJI care some kind of all-risk insurance? If i fly this thing into the lake, and it;s lost, would that still apply?

By the way, gotta agree a little with OP. As this thing is made for risky moves, you better have some spare parts available, which is very common in the fpv world. I don't think sending it to DJI will be quick enough if it's your job. Having a spare drone is of course an option.

As you could read, don't say in this forum, that an FPV drone is made for risky moves because they tag you as a bad pilot.
By the way, sarcasm apart, yes, DJI Care is some kind of all-risk insurance. But there are some limitations. First of all, if you do it for 2 years, you have 2 flyaways that you will pay an additional $199. Over $99 of DJI Care. Each repair costs you $49 (also just a props guard and max 4 times) And flyways are part of that 4 times. So if you repair it 4 times, and you have a flyaway.... you have to buy it again. And from the third year, it's a lot of money for every little damage.
Assuming 99 of DJI Care and 199 for a flyaway, with 300 dollars (euro in EU), I could buy a lot of spares. Think, just today I ordered the GepRC DoMain3.6 for 180 euros without VTX. With 360 euros I could take two DoMain3.6 and in 10 minutes I can swap the VTX from one to the other in case of an anomaly. Instead to pay 489+99+49 euro and not having a spare drone with me.

=DUH=

Interesting.
1 Flyaway in 2 years with DJI costs 298€ (replacement fee + DJI care refresh)
up to
4 Flyaways in 2 years with DJI costs 223€ for each case

So what is the total price for a DoMain3.6 including VTX in case of a flyaway?