Case AGAINST DJI

Dronep

Hi all, what do you think about the rumors that USA will ban DJI drones?

https://www.youtube.com/live/R0_KXh_Q_Vs?si=WJ6h0W9n8hno9_E0

DowntownRDB

Just have to see how the vote goes today.

Morrisson

DowntownRDB Posted at 6-12 06:54
Just have to see how the vote goes today.

I didn't see that the vote was today...I just looked on congress.gov but didn't see any mention of a vote...?

Morrisson

I think it's very likely. They banned Huawei...I think DJI is sadly going to go the same route unless everyone says something to their government rep or senator...DJI made a drone alliance website: https://droneadvocacyalliance.com/ if you want more information

Dronep

Morrisson Posted at 6-12 19:55
I think it's very likely. They banned Huawei...I think DJI is sadly going to go the same route unless everyone says something to their government rep or senator...DJI made a drone alliance website: https://droneadvocacyalliance.com/ if you want more information

Thanks for sharing the link. My personal opinion is that Google, Facebook, Instagram and all other social media and Operating systems collect more sensitive data. But as you say they Blocked Huawei and now they want to block other competitive on the Drone market.

DAFlys

Not just drones, any DJI product with a radio in it.

Dronep

DAFlys Posted at 6-13 01:06
Not just drones, any DJI product with a radio in it.

That is realy not good.

DowntownRDB

Morrisson Posted at 6-12 19:53
I didn't see that the vote was today...I just looked on congress.gov but didn't see any mention of a vote...?

Delayed due to amendments being added to NDAA. Vote is now scheduled for today, June 13th.

Elephant Apocalypse

Yea I think the vote moved to today. Even if it passes, I doubt it will be a shut off switch. That would be a catastrophe, if they truly want to ban the drone they would need to invest a lot of resources to disable or locate any transmission by dji products. Besides most bills have a long ass delay time before goes into effect.

Morrisson

Elephant Apocalypse Posted at 6-13 03:51
Yea I think the vote moved to today. Even if it passes, I doubt it will be a shut off switch. That would be a catastrophe, if they truly want to ban the drone they would need to invest a lot of resources to disable or locate any transmission by dji products. Besides most bills have a long ass delay time before goes into effect.

Oh, wow. And yes that makes sense. I was thinking that the drones don't even use equipment on US soil. It seems the satellites are the only things they use and those are obviously outside of US control so even if they did ban I would think the drones would still operate unless DJI shuts them down. This is so odd...

Morrisson

DowntownRDB Posted at 6-13 02:55
Delayed due to amendments being added to NDAA. Vote is now scheduled for today, June 13th.

Ok, well, hurry up and wait faster.

Morrisson

Dronep Posted at 6-12 23:20
Thanks for sharing the link. My personal opinion is that Google, Facebook, Instagram and all other social media and Operating systems collect more sensitive data. But as you say they Blocked Huawei and now they want to block other competitive on the Drone market.

Google, Facebook and Instagram are "at least" all US based and all that information is owned by US companies. I'm wondering, however, where this data is actually stored? It seems if it's being stored overseas for cheaper options it could be intercepted or whatever. Also, think about how zombie-like the population becomes hooked to these social media platforms. If you haven't seen the Netflix documentary called The Social Dilemma it's a definite good watch going into all of that.

DowntownRDB

Morrisson Posted at 6-13 06:40
Ok, well, hurry up and wait faster.

Reminds me of being back in the Navy - Hurry up and wait.

DowntownRDB

Morrisson Posted at 6-13 06:43
Google, Facebook and Instagram are "at least" all US based and all that information is owned by US companies. I'm wondering, however, where this data is actually stored? It seems if it's being stored overseas for cheaper options it could be intercepted or whatever. Also, think about how zombie-like the population becomes hooked to these social media platforms. If you haven't seen the Netflix documentary called The Social Dilemma it's a definite good watch going into all of that.

The Social Dilemma on Netflix is one of the most informative documentaries I've watched.

Elephant Apocalypse

Lets face it, the ban proposal is BS no hard evidence, hunter has more of a crack trail than DJI has on data sent to the CCP. its politics, politicians ruling over topics that they can’t comprehend. I bet 95% of them don’t know how to use the find my iphone function.

Morrisson

Elephant Apocalypse Posted at 6-13 17:44
Lets face it, the ban proposal is BS no hard evidence, hunter has more of a crack trail than DJI has on data sent to the CCP. its politics, politicians ruling over topics that they can’t comprehend. I bet 95% of them don’t know how to use the find my iphone function.

hahaha. The sad truth of it.

Elephant Apocalypse

Morrisson Posted at 6-14 11:15
hahaha. The sad truth of it.

the ban is having lots of push back from law enforcement, and department of safety, amongst other coalition and groups, I wouldn't worry too much about it at this point.

Dronep

Elephant Apocalypse Posted at 6-14 17:47
the ban is having lots of push back from law enforcement, and department of safety, amongst other coalition and groups, I wouldn't worry too much about it at this point.

Today i watched a video in which was explaind that around 90% of equipment usied in Police, Fire department, public safety and agriculture is DJI. And if this is a truth and Ban came in place i think it will be a big shok not only for the regular user, but for all this departmants that use DJI to do their job.

DowntownRDB

Morrisson Posted at 6-13 06:40
Ok, well, hurry up and wait faster.

Here's the vote breakdown. Now we have to wait and see what the Senate does.

Morrisson

DowntownRDB Posted at 6-15 08:37
Here's the vote breakdown. Now we have to wait and see what the Senate does.

Wow. Here we go....it's so interesting to see that the Republicans are for the ban and the Democrats are against it.

If this passes it really is going to be a step back in terms of aerial cinematography at an affordable level. I guess the guys with bigger, more expensive drones (like from Freefly) will be picking up the pieces of lost jobs.

DowntownRDB

Morrisson Posted at 6-15 11:07
Wow. Here we go....it's so interesting to see that the Republicans are for the ban and the Democrats are against it.

If this passes it really is going to be a step back in terms of aerial cinematography at an affordable level. I guess the guys with bigger, more expensive drones (like from Freefly) will be picking up the pieces of lost jobs.

Even in the bill passes we should still have some time before it goes into effect - usually a year or so out. I haven't given up hope but a good outcome for drone pilots does not look good at this point.

Burt37

DowntownRDB Posted at 6-15 08:37
Here's the vote breakdown. Now we have to wait and see what the Senate does.

Well, by looking at the chart and if it is true, you should be able to already know what the end result will be..

What do you have in the senate? More democratic or more Republican?

According to the Party Division on this chart, you may be in trouble...

https://www.senate.gov/senators/index.htm

Montfrooij

Interesting times for sure.

DowntownRDB

Burt37 Posted at 6-15 13:52
Well, by looking at the chart and if it is true, you should be able to already know what the end result will be..

What do you have in the senate? More democratic or more Republican?

The "hitch" is that the NDAA bill must pass or the military will be de-funded for 2025 and that can never happen. Hopefully, the Senate will strip away some of the amendments (including the one that supports banning DJI). Here's the process in case you're not familiar:

Laws begin as ideas. First, a representative sponsors a bill. The bill is then assigned to a committee for study. If released by the committee, the bill is put on a calendar to be voted on, debated or amended. If the bill passes by simple majority, the bill moves to the Senate. In the Senate, the bill is assigned to another committee and, if released, debated and voted on. Again, a simple majority (51 of 100) passes the bill. Finally, a conference committee made of House and Senate members works out any differences between the House and Senate versions of the bill. The resulting bill returns to the House and Senate for final approval. The Government Publishing Office prints the revised bill in a process called enrolling. The President has 10 days to sign or veto the enrolled bill.

Burt37

DowntownRDB Posted at 6-16 03:22
The "hitch" is that the NDAA bill must pass or the military will be de-funded for 2025 and that can never happen. Hopefully, the Senate will strip away some of the amendments (including the one that supports banning DJI). Here's the process in case you're not familiar:

If only it was that simple...

These days, and for the past 30 years, corporations begin the idea, not the government... And the representatives are all somehow employed by those corporations.. There is no study and there is no logic. Just greed!

At least, that it what it looks like from my window... Perhaps you live on a different floor, and you are getting a better view...

DowntownRDB

Burt37 Posted at 6-16 15:10
If only it was that simple...

These days, and for the past 30 years, corporations begin the idea, not the government... And the representatives are all somehow employed by those corporations.. There is no study and there is no logic. Just greed!

Of if you have insider trading information.....

Mythy

Has anyone else heard about an Anzu deal that's maybe circumventing DJI being banned by partnering in America? Just curious on the legitimacy of those claims. Also does anyone know when the Senate's meeting for it?

Burt37

Mythy Posted at 6-17 05:13
Has anyone else heard about an Anzu deal that's maybe circumventing DJI being banned by partnering in America? Just curious on the legitimacy of those claims. Also does anyone know when the Senate's meeting for it?

That sounds about right...

https://dronenr.com.au/2024/04/2 ... i-company-approach/

Elephant Apocalypse

DowntownRDB Posted at 6-16 03:22
The "hitch" is that the NDAA bill must pass or the military will be de-funded for 2025 and that can never happen. Hopefully, the Senate will strip away some of the amendments (including the one that supports banning DJI). Here's the process in case you're not familiar:

Yup, this bill was tossed into the NDAA bill that must pass. What happens in the senate and the language they use will be what we end up with.’

The politician woman who pushed for this bill (allegedly) have ties with skydio

Dronep

Burt37 Posted at 6-17 12:42
That sounds about right...

https://dronenr.com.au/2024/04/22/anzu-robotics-dji-company-approach/

This sounds like a good plan.