Open Letter To DJI On O3 Goggles 3 Safety Issue
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Dear DJI, I am writting this letter to you to hilight what my self and many bveleivre is a criticle safety issue with DJI O3 when used in combination with DJI Goggles 3.
A copy of this letter can be found on the below link and it has also been posted on social media platforms and emailed to your press team.


To DJI - Da-Jiang Innovations

Subject: DJI Goggles 3 In Combination with DJI O3  - Safety Issue


Dear DJI,

I am writing to highlight and share information on what I believe is a critical safety issue with the DJI O3 Digital FPV Air Unit when used in combination with the new DJI Goggles 3.  

Myself and members of the fpv community have discovered an issue where, in the event of signal loss on O3 when used with Goggles 3 the FPV live feed will not re-establish the link until the O3 air unit has received a disarm command via MSP display port.  

The Issue In Detail

Normal DJI O2,O3 and O4 on DJI drones wireless system behavior is

In the event of losing video signal you can reconnect again once your drone or air unit comes back into range of your goggles.  

As an example: You may fly behind an obstacle and loose signal, however once passed the obstacle O3 would reconnect and you can view your live feed again. This is the case on DJI O3 with the DJI V2 Goggles, Goggles 2 and Goggles Integra as well as DJI’s consumer and enterprise drones.

However it has been discovered that with DJI O3 in combination with DJI Goggles 3 this is not the case. On the Goggles 3 in the event of signal loss with the O3 air unit regardless of the cause the O3 air unit will not reconnect to the DJI Goggles 3 unless you disarm the air unit via MSP displayport command.

This means even a momentary loss of signal will mean you can no longer fly and the only way to recover the fpv live view link is to disarm your drone mid-flight. This is obviously not safe and the reality is the only way to reestablish the link is to try and land and disarm the O3 air unit.

This issue happens when the O3 air unit is used as per the manufacturer's instructions receiving a valid arming command via MSP DisplayPort via Betaflight.


I have performed extensive testing on this issue and I can confirm the following


  • This bug is only happening with O3 air units in combination with DJI Goggles 3, DJ O3 air units used with Goggles 2,Goggles Integra and DJI FPV Goggles V2 are not affected.
  • I have confirmed this behavior on both Goggles 3 firmware versions that support DJI O3, v01.00.0400 and v01.00.0300.
  • I have confirmed this affects both CE and FCC users the same.
  • I have confirmed this happened in both Auto and Manual Channel Modes and all bandwidth modes.
  • I have confirmed this still happens regardless if low lower mode is on or off, if recording or not recording.


An important note is that when the O3 Air Unit is not armed via MSP the connection will reconnect as it should at all times. Without MSP arming regardless of the low power mode state i.e. low power mode on or off it works as expected,  however this is not normal operating conditions. DJI O3 only provides full RF power when used with a valid arming command.

My testing has shown this issue is very repeatable across multiple air units and I can replicate it 100% of the time.
This issue is causing users of O3 to crash and even in a number of cases lose their drones as a result of this issue and it is my opinion that this represents a safety issue as the DJI O3 link does not perform reliably in normal use and needs addressing urgently.  

Further to this specific issue, since the release of Goggles 3 I have seen extensive reports of people also experiencing random loss of video link, in many cases completely out of the blue even at very short range, this issue may or may not be related to the issue above but there does appear to be a correlation between the two.

Today it appears to be the case that the DJI O3 Air Unit when used with DJI Goggles 3 is not providing the usual high level of reliability we are used to from DJI O3 as it does with the other DJI Goggles.

I have provided this information in the spirit corporation and in hopes to help raise awareness that then leads to a resolution as this is a very serious issue for O3 users on DJI Goggles 3.

Other Feedback

Finally, while these are not related to the above issue, I would like to take this opportunity to raise awareness of some functionality that could be improved in DJI O3 that would greatly benefit the community and improve DJI’s use in these scenarios..  

DJI O3 Low Power Mode

DJI O3 Low Power Mode does not work in the same manner as the Original DJI FPV Air Unit and the Air Unit Lite ie Caddx Vista and Runcam Link.  WIth the earlier air units you could fly without a flight controller providing an arming command and you could get full RF power by turning off Low Power Mode.

Extensive testing on DJI O3 has found the low power mode option does not work the same, In FCC regions turning off low power mode does not provide full RF power and the only way to get full RF power from O3 is with a flight controller providing a valid MSP displayport arming command.  

We would ask if this behavior is changed to allow full RF power at all times when low power mode is turned off.


DJI O3 Full Custom OSD.

DJI O3 supports MSP DisplayPort however has a limited font set available, this works with Betaflight however Inav and Ardupilot have a more complex set of needs for icons and fonts due to the wider functionality available. This makes using O3 with Inav and others a massively more limited experience and for many this is a barrier from using DJI O3 with these systems.

It would be very beneficial to the community if DJI introduced the ability to use custom font packs like other digital FPV systems allow such as HDZero and Avatar HD so users can get the full experience with DJI O3.

DJI O3 Power Output Settings

DJI O3 does not have the option for the user to be able to set their own power level to reduce the RF power output, this was available on the original FPV system.

There are occasions where users may wish to limit the RF power output and we would appreciate an option to manually set the maximum RF power.


DJI O3 Signal Loss Slow Recovery

While this issue is similar to the main issue above, it is not directly related.
On all goggles used with DJI O3 air units it has been found it is much slower to re-establish the link compared to the original FPV system in signal loss.  The original DJI FPV Air Unit and Air Unit Lite would reconnect instantly as soon as the signal was strong enough. O3 seems to lag substantially with long range pilots finding it taking minutes sometimes.

Request is to improve and optimize O3 link re connection when signal is good enough.


Finally I would like to thank you for taking this feedback onboard.

I am more than happy to provide any assistance or provide further technical detail where needed.


Kindest Regards

Ian

Mads Tech
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9-14 06:34
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Thank you Mads Tech for providing DJI with this wonderfully articulate letter that perfectly characterizes the issues between the Goggles 3 & O3 Air Unit.  Perhaps DJI will finally start to listen.
9-14 08:49
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Thanks, Ian.
9-14 09:53
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Thanks for highlighting this Ian. This is a really serious issue with the O3 connection loss with Goggles 3. Hopefully DJI will get on top of it before more users lose drones.
9-14 11:39
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I experianced the problem several times - 7 minutes no reconnection with goggles v2 than 4 m. And with goggles 3 when signal was lost it never reconnect. Lucky GPS rescue was working fine but this behavior is Totally Unacceptable!
Thank You for the letter!P. S. There's another problem with O3 and goggles 3 very often if I take off imidatly after armin goggles went black for few seconds then work fine but dvr record 0 size file or not records at all this flight!
9-14 21:16
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I literally just bought the Goggles 3 and 2 O3 Air Units, assuming I chose top of the line equipment. I'm even willing to accept the ugly default OSD font that can't be changed, all in favour of more reliability and quality than the brand with x at end. And now this? I don't dare using my brandnew equipment. This had better be fixed soon, otherwise I might reconsider that other brand - I really digged those custom fonts...
9-15 04:08
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Thanks Ian! DJI get your stuff together and relpy in human and reasonable way!
9-15 07:51
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alex_markov Posted at 9-14 21:16
I experianced the problem several times - 7 minutes no reconnection with goggles v2 than 4 m. And with goggles 3 when signal was lost it never reconnect. Lucky GPS rescue was working fine but this behavior is Totally Unacceptable!
Thank You for the letter!P. S. There's another problem with O3 and goggles 3 very often if I take off imidatly after armin goggles went black for few seconds then work fine but dvr record 0 size file or not records at all this flight!

Yes ive had that issue multiple times where as i take off my goggle 3 screen turns black and doesnt record anything even though i have auto record on. As soon as it turns black ill disarm and my video comes back. Man i hope that fix this asap
9-15 07:54
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Solve this problem now DJI, don't sleep!!
9-15 08:26
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Thanks Ian! I am new to FPV and as my first goggles I bought Goggles 3, unfortunately due to this problem I have not been flying for 3 weeks because I am afraid of losing the drone, after I lost the image and barely found the drone in a corn field.
9-15 10:02
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Very glad that I invested in the Walksnail Avatar Goggles X while waiting for DJI to sort out backwards compatibility.

The video options & quality might not be quite on the same level, but at this point Walksnail is WAY more reliable than DJI.  And frankly, with 3d party antennas, the Goggles X have exceptional penetration & range.

GIT GUD DJI!
9-15 12:26
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Bump for more visibility.
9-16 00:38
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9-16 01:32
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This issue requires a HOTfix, if I've ever seen one. The most high-end combination of FPV cam/transmitter and receiver available to DIY consumers is practically guaranteed to malfunction in use, potentially causing customers to lose equipment of immense worth. I can't see how this issue could get assigned anything but highest priority, unless DJI is willing to refund customers their lost equipment.
9-16 04:13
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PLease DJI reply us, can you fix it ?
9-16 06:18
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djiuser_779hrZqxaE9N Posted at 9-16 04:13
This issue requires a HOTfix, if I've ever seen one. The most high-end combination of FPV cam/transmitter and receiver available to DIY consumers is practically guaranteed to malfunction in use, potentially causing customers to lose equipment of immense worth. I can't see how this issue could get assigned anything but highest priority, unless DJI is willing to refund customers their lost equipment.

Lost drones is nothing compared to a drone hitting someone. This is SUPER URGENT!
9-16 06:38
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Guy Aroshas Posted at 9-16 06:38
Lost drones is nothing compared to a drone hitting someone. This is SUPER URGENT!

That's true of course. I personally mostly fly in empty areas, so at least chances of injury are low on video loss. But of course when you fly in public parks or so, it's a very real danger.

9-16 09:50
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Are there any lawyers in the house? ;)

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9-16 11:50
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Thanks Ian. I just built a drone wit O3 Air Unit and I can't even fly it, this is terrible.
9-17 22:52
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9-18 01:41
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I've received some feedback from DJI, by email,  about my video demonstrating the problem:

Dear Aroshas,

Thank you for your kind feedback.

We have submitted your video ad description to relevant technical team and they attach great importance to the problem and are working on it. We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience that the issue caused and we also wish the issue could be solved as soon as possible.

Please kindly wait for the further information from DJI forum and official website. Much appreciate for your kind feedback again.
Thank you for choosing DJI!
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Many thanks Ian for stepping up.  Still crickets over there at DJI it seems!
Looks like I'll only be flying the Avata 2 with the G3s at the moment.  
I've updated 17 air units to use with the G3s.  My question, do I need to go back to the previous 03 firmware to use them safely with the G2s?  Thank goodness I kept my G2s and have 2 quads I can still use with them!
This silence isn't acceptable DJI, and isn't doing your reputation much good either.
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Acrux Posted at 9-18 22:16
Many thanks Ian for stepping up.  Still crickets over there at DJI it seems!
Looks like I'll only be flying the Avata 2 with the G3s at the moment.  
I've updated 17 air units to use with the G3s.  My question, do I need to go back to the previous 03 firmware to use them safely with the G2s?  Thank goodness I kept my G2s and have 2 quads I can still use with them!

No need to downgrade. G2 is fine.
9-18 22:58
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Hi there, your feedback has been forwarded to the corresponding team and our team will send you an email to collect some information. Please note to check your email update.
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hope this gets to dji, I would love to start flying fpv with a more tranditional drone with my g3s
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DJI Mindy Posted at 9-19 01:15
Hi there, your feedback has been forwarded to the corresponding team and our team will send you an email to collect some information. Please note to check your email update.

To whom are you addressing, as you did not specifically reply to anyone?

Can we get an actual DJI representative and not just another bot?

Or how about a bot that is actually capable of something other than prerecorded replies?

DJI has been provided with all the details of this critical safety issue, but continues to behave as if they are clueless; this is unacceptable

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djiuser_pdGgqSGWl0nK Posted at 9-19 09:19
To whom are you addressing, as you did not specifically reply to anyone?

Can we get an actual DJI representative and not just another bot?

Hi there, I am sorry for any misunderstanding caused. I am replying to the OP Mads Tech. Since we've received an email from Mads Tech, and our team is communicating with Mads Tech via email, we ask Mads Tech to check the email. If you have any inquiries, you can also tell us.
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Thanks for your excellent work. I have exactly the same issues and it is very scary even though I only fly in empty spaces. My drone got a lot of damage due to crashing with lost signal.
Goggles 3 with o3 air unit loosing connection randomly in close proximity. Will not reconnect until after disarm and arm again.

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I can’t believe another week has passed and we still have no fix. Come on DJI!
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Yep - this is taking WAY too long.  I use this stuff professionally, sometimes, and I've had to put Walksnail back on my main 7" fpv quad that I use for paid work.  C'MON! C'MON!!!!  I'm getting angry!
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Apparently DJI doesn't care when its customers realize that Walksnail is currently a safer, more reliable & less costly alternative to the Goggles 3 & O3 Air Unit.

At this point I really don't care if DJI gets banned in the USA.  Frankly, if DJI does get banned in the USA, chances are that the security concerns of the USA will spread globally.  It's unfortunate that DJI hasn't had better leadership.  Perhaps DJI would be wise to sell to a more competent & trusted company, such as Apple ;)

In the end, all we're able to do is vent here... so we vent...

GIT GUD DJI!!!
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For people using Walksnail - is it reliable and relatively easy to setup?  I’m hoping OpenIPC gains traction too.    It won’t take much convincing for me to switch at this point. ***Didn’t DJI completely ignore the “RX LOSS” issue I brought up with the FPV 2 Controller and DJI 03?   I posted in March 2023 the original thread then a follow up in April 2023.  Multiple videos from myself and then roughly 183 comments and examples given….all ignored and nothing ever done.   
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djiuser_HROEP8ZV4yNg Posted at 9-20 10:35
For people using Walksnail - is it reliable and relatively easy to setup?  I’m hoping OpenIPC gains traction too.    It won’t take much convincing for me to switch at this point. ***Didn’t DJI completely ignore the “RX LOSS” issue I brought up with the FPV 2 Controller and DJI 03?   I posted in March 2023 the original thread then a follow up in April 2023.  Multiple videos from myself and then roughly 183 comments and examples given….all ignored and nothing ever done.

Interesting, I have a feeling that DJI doesn't like us talking about their competition...
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What's up @DJI, you don't like us talking positively about your direct competition?
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djiuser_HROEP8ZV4yNg Posted at 9-20 10:35
For people using Walksnail - is it reliable and relatively easy to setup?  I’m hoping OpenIPC gains traction too.    It won’t take much convincing for me to switch at this point. ***Didn’t DJI completely ignore the “RX LOSS” issue I brought up with the FPV 2 Controller and DJI 03?   I posted in March 2023 the original thread then a follow up in April 2023.  Multiple videos from myself and then roughly 183 comments and examples given….all ignored and nothing ever done.

Setting up Walksnail is the exact same as DJI, both in regards to software & hardware.  Walksnail can get great range with 3rd party antennas.  Only real drawbacks are less camera & recording options.  With Walksnail you're going to have to use a 3rd party RX, which either Crossfire or ELRS are going to be better than DJI anyway.  Walksnail also has expanded OSD font & graphics which DJI is still poorly lacking.  Really, at this point I'm  REALLY glad I purchased both systems to experience first hand.  DJI may be great quality, but only when it's functioning properly & reliably, otherwise going with Walksnail at this point seems the safer bet.

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God, some people in this forum are insufferable. I pity the staff on the receiving end of this, wouldn't want to be in their shoes. Hope the issue gets resolved soon so I can fly O3s with my goggles, best of luck to the team tasked with figuring this one out
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djiuser_pdGgqSGWl0nK Posted at 9-20 12:26
What's up @DJI, you don't like us talking positively about your direct competition?

Haha! My opinion is, if they cared about their users this wouldn’t be a convo.  Appreciate the feedback someone gave on the other systems.  Dji doesn’t seem to care if their users look elsewhere either.  But,   I’ve seen countless dumb claims of “I won’t use dji” “this will be their downfall” blah blah blah lol.   9/10 people are talking out their butt (me included as I never switched after their last major issue that was straight Ignored, just search 03 RX Loss, it’s not hard to find all 180+ comments.).  After selling everything dji avata related last year, I am in the market for all new equipment but it seems like major problems still linger.

The person who feels sorry for their staff but is still here cause they aren’t happy the product clearly doesn’t work correctly….If you think dji feels sorry for anyone losing $hundreds of money on broken stuff cause by them…you’re rooting for the wrong team.

Good luck everyone!
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djiuser_pdGgqSGWl0nK Posted at 9-20 12:36
Setting up Walksnail is the exact same as DJI, both in regards to software & hardware.  Walksnail can get great range with 3rd party antennas.  Only real drawbacks are less camera & recording options.  With Walksnail you're going to have to use a 3rd party RX, which either Crossfire or ELRS are going to be better than DJI anyway.  Walksnail also has expanded OSD font & graphics which DJI is still poorly lacking.  Really, at this point I'm  REALLY glad I purchased both systems to experience first hand.  DJI may be great quality, but only when it's functioning properly & reliably, otherwise going with Walksnail at this point seems the safer bet.

Thank you so much for this info!  I don’t even think the RX is a drawback (see my comments about the fpv 2 controller and rx loss) I lost over a grand in equipment due to that issue dji ignored lol.   I would def go with elrs for convenience and the radiomaster pocket .
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