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Dobmatt Posted at 2017-7-13 21:15
You know what bucket list is, don't you, Brother Cetacean? If not that, I'll relax, enjoy Mother Nature as much as possible and start planning next year expedition with Pumpkin drone instead ...

Today I had a chance to shoot beautiful alpine scenery of Christina Lake (Latitude 49.1513, Longitude -118.2812). Decided to arm P4P+ for this, all systems check and OK, blessed to fly. Up we go and ... whoa, I'm in warning zone (green)! OK, apparently no big deal, that's not yellow or red NFZ ... I'm prompted to declare either an authorized permit to fly here or full responsibility on my own. Second option check, sent for DJI blessing ... oops, error: no internet connection available! Of course, silly me, what internet when all WiFi sources detected in proximity are owned by local ranchers and farmers, and locked!!!

Simple solution.... use your 3g or 4g and open a wifi connection to phone then use that?

Works for me
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Dobmatt Posted at 2017-7-13 21:15
You know what bucket list is, don't you, Brother Cetacean? If not that, I'll relax, enjoy Mother Nature as much as possible and start planning next year expedition with Pumpkin drone instead ...

Today I had a chance to shoot beautiful alpine scenery of Christina Lake (Latitude 49.1513, Longitude -118.2812). Decided to arm P4P+ for this, all systems check and OK, blessed to fly. Up we go and ... whoa, I'm in warning zone (green)! OK, apparently no big deal, that's not yellow or red NFZ ... I'm prompted to declare either an authorized permit to fly here or full responsibility on my own. Second option check, sent for DJI blessing ... oops, error: no internet connection available! Of course, silly me, what internet when all WiFi sources detected in proximity are owned by local ranchers and farmers, and locked!!!

Aloha Matt,

     Ahh.?.  So that is how it plays out.  Can you disable GEO?  I think my P3P allows it?

Aloha and Drone On!
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Phantomski Posted at 2017-7-8 10:01
U need internet only ONCE after the firmware upgrade....
I feel for you, but.. either you upgraded and did not test before a big and serous job, or DJI is wrong, and what they said is not true..
The idea was supposed to be - upgrade app and firmware, the next flight has to have internet available, the system will ask you to login to your go account again and validate.

Only needing internet once after upgrading to verify account...
Oh wow!  That's good to know.  Reading many of these posts, it sounding like for all flights!
This eases my mind. Thank you for clarifying this.
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MikeW2 Posted at 2017-7-14 01:03
Only needing internet once after upgrading to verify account...
Oh wow!  That's good to know.  Reading many of these posts, it sounding like for all flights!
This eases my mind. Thank you for clarifying this.

I just did tests with Advanced as well as pro - that is exactly how it works, and how DJI said it would.. I had number of flights, on both drones, without internet, no issue. I also flew with no internet in a different area, no issues either. It does seem that they do get restricted when flying without the GO app - rc only... do I mind? no.. Do I wish I had more info on it? Perhaps..... in general it all works as I expected, from DJIs explanation.
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blackcrusader Posted at 2017-7-13 23:43
Simple solution.... use your 3g or 4g and open a wifi connection to phone then use that?

Works for me

No, this is NOT simple solution, Brother Blackcrusader ... Firstly, I don't have a cellular phone with such capability or feature. Second, my drone is already hovering 6' above ground when this warning pops out, prompting to read the instructions on small screen (P4P+) and perform some absurd steps in order to unlock the machine and fly further...

Finally, the idea of halting UAV activities inside an recreation area abused by hundreds wake boarders  with 300HP motorboats seems to be equally absurd ... If protecting the natural habitat is the main reason for such limitations, than UAV is the least threat to worry about, IMHO.
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From my point of view...is all your fault,or maybe a flame towards DJI, don't know.I'm not using my drone for professional purpose,only a hobby,but i take my bird very seriously ,updates,news regarding flying etc .If i remember well, before the update a notice appeared at application startup days before the change .
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Cetacean Posted at 2017-7-14 00:41
Aloha Matt,

     Ahh.?.  So that is how it plays out.  Can you disable GEO?  I think my P3P allows it?

Just checked the GEO System On/Off switch feature ... Nope, no matter what position of the switch is, the message pops up and I can't fly my P4P+ ... They really made it clear ... All I can do is shut the machine down, pack my stuff and go somewhere else. Or shut myself down and take a swim ... The water here is crystal clear and insanely warm ...

Funny thing is that the two other birds I'm carrying here (both P3P and I1P) are apparently immune to the newest, reinforced geofencing restrictions ... Compare the Fly Safe map for P3P and P4P, the late is madly populated with new NFZ areas of various kind ... Including JFK Airport and the pond with rare frog species on my friends acreage LOL.

Cheers, my Oceanic Mammal friend ...




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Dobmatt Posted at 2017-7-14 14:18
Just checked the GEO System On/Off switch feature ... Nope, no matter what position of the switch is, the message pops up and I can't fly my P4P+ ... They really made it clear ... All I can do is shut the machine down, pack my stuff and go somewhere else. Or shut myself down and take a swim ... The water here is crystal clear and insanely warm ...

Funny thing is that the two other birds I'm carrying here (both P3P and I1P) are apparently immune to the newest, reinforced geofencing restrictions ... Compare the Fly Safe map for P3P and P4P, the late is madly populated with new NFZ areas of various kind ... Including JFK Airport and the pond with rare frog species on my friends acreage LOL.

Aloha Matt,

     Well do not suffer too badly.  When I complain about my circumstances, it usually falls on deaf ears!

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MikeW2 Posted at 2017-7-14 01:03
Only needing internet once after upgrading to verify account...
Oh wow!  That's good to know.  Reading many of these posts, it sounding like for all flights!
This eases my mind. Thank you for clarifying this.

One time only.  I wish people would read properly the instructions before going off with misinformation.
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Phantomski Posted at 2017-7-8 10:01
U need internet only ONCE after the firmware upgrade....
I feel for you, but.. either you upgraded and did not test before a big and serous job, or DJI is wrong, and what they said is not true..
The idea was supposed to be - upgrade app and firmware, the next flight has to have internet available, the system will ask you to login to your go account again and validate.

I believe you are correct. I did the updates just before leaving for Alaska (and yet another remote island) but did a quick function test before packing everything up....got the login request, logged in and them shut it all down and packed it up. Got to Dutch Harbor and have been flying just fine. Firmware seems to have fixed the Nvidia Sheild K1 video shutdown issue and life is grand.
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on a shoot with this much at stake, a back up drone should have been available. No shade. Just good advice for any professional.
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When did you need internet to fly?- just turn on your bluetooth and wifi (without wifi), or this just a phantom problem?
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I live in a "Restricted Zone, unlock unavailable" area.   I went to the link:
http://www.dji.com/flysafe/geo-system/individual-unlock

And provided evidence that my house is not actually near the true "No Fly" zone, which is a trapezoidal area around an AFB.  The Geofencing system is very simplistic, using a centerpoint and a radius in km's.
I showed a picture of the actual NFZ and now I have a 3 month pass downloaded onto my craft.   Funny thing though, you can only have 1 area selected at a time, it does not automatically detect that you are in a zone which you unlocked in advance.  You will need the DJI GO app to select the appropriate area, or you will not go flying.  I think they did this so they could have a small, finite list of coordinates and radius that would easily fit on the craft and mate with the GPS signal.   To actually record the exact no fly zones would take too much storage, perhaps?

The actual, accurately shaped  no fly zones are found here:
https://faa.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 8e19806ebf6a06754ad

Hope this helps someone else caught in a red bubble!
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There is an Elephant in the room here.
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Phantomski Posted at 2017-7-8 10:01
U need internet only ONCE after the firmware upgrade....
I feel for you, but.. either you upgraded and did not test before a big and serous job, or DJI is wrong, and what they said is not true..
The idea was supposed to be - upgrade app and firmware, the next flight has to have internet available, the system will ask you to login to your go account again and validate.

Tell me I'm wrong.. I have 2 cell phones and 2 tablets, but I don't have a mobile account because I'm retired and use a landline. So it looks like I have no way to "verify" in order to use updates or the simulator.
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In31QwDwZn0c Posted at 2017-7-22 20:59
Tell me I'm wrong.. I have 2 cell phones and 2 tablets, but I don't have a mobile account because I'm retired and use a landline. So it looks like I have no way to "verify" in order to use updates or the simulator.

So, you are saying you don't have access to the Internet at all - anywhere ?
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Geebax Posted at 2017-7-22 21:31
So, you are saying you don't have access to the Internet at all - anywhere ?

This is my first post and I am very, very confuse.
I am pondering whether upgrade my P4P+ or not.
First of all, what happens if I do not upgrade? I would be very happy to leave it as it is, but last week I had a few scary moments and I fear that they can be related to not upgrading.
From what I read on forums, the firmware upgrade seems to be harder than sending a community of people on planet Mars.
But the main problem is that apparently after the upgrade you are geofenced out of all the yellow areas (zone D, C and so on), areas where it is perfectly legit to fly with the P4P. To be able to fly there you need an internet connection, which of course I don't have on the P4P+.
If this is the case it is a total deal breaker for me
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Justin Case Posted at 2017-7-23 01:20
This is my first post and I am very, very confuse.
I am pondering whether upgrade my P4P+ or not.
First of all, what happens if I do not upgrade? I would be very happy to leave it as it is, but last week I had a few scary moments and I fear that they can be related to not upgrading.

The upgrades, in the main, only add minor things or fix problems. You are not compewlled to upgrade at all, so if you are happy with the way your aircraft performs, then do not upgrade it. People new to the Phantom seem more likel;y to get into trouble performing the upgrade because it is a complex task.

I have a P3P that has not been upgrade since late 2015, and it performs perfectly for the work I want to do with it. To prevent being nagged about upgrading, switch off auto-upgrades on your device and disable WiFi connections.
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In31QwDwZn0c Posted at 2017-7-22 20:59
Tell me I'm wrong.. I have 2 cell phones and 2 tablets, but I don't have a mobile account because I'm retired and use a landline. So it looks like I have no way to "verify" in order to use updates or the simulator.

According to      http://www.dji.com/flysafe/geo-system
"VERIFYING YOUR ACCOUNT
Unlocking an Authorization Zone requires a DJI user account verified with a credit card, debit card or mobile phone number. DJI does not collect nor store this information, which is verified by a third party service. Verification is free. A verified account is required only if attempting to fly in an Authorization Zone. "
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Geebax Posted at 2017-7-23 01:22
The upgrades, in the main, only add minor things or fix problems. You are not compewlled to upgrade at all, so if you are happy with the way your aircraft performs, then do not upgrade it. People new to the Phantom seem more likel;y to get into trouble performing the upgrade because it is a complex task.

I have a P3P that has not been upgrade since late 2015, and it performs perfectly for the work I want to do with it. To prevent being nagged about upgrading, switch off auto-upgrades on your device and disable WiFi connections.

Thank you for your reply.
Same for me, I am perfectly happy with the way my P4Pro+ works and I would very happily skip the upgrade if possible.
But everyone here in this forum seems to complain about "forced upgrade", as if it was compulsory.
Hence my confusion
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Antonio76 Posted at 2017-7-23 02:43
According to      http://www.dji.com/flysafe/geo-system
"VERIFYING YOUR ACCOUNT
Unlocking an Authorization Zone requires a DJI user account verified with a credit card, debit card or mobile phone number. DJI does not collect nor store this information, which is verified by a third party service. Verification is free. A verified account is required only if attempting to fly in an Authorization Zone. "

I don't have an internet connection with my bird, and cannot have one since it is a P4Pro+, without a tablet or smartphone.
What I understand from DJI page is that if you intend to fly on a yellow or green area you can unlock it on a computer in advance within 72 hours.
Can someone confirm that is true?
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My point exactly. I expressed my concerns when the release came out on the update only to be scorned by an individual that doesn't know what he is talking about. I am commercial and licensed and I cannot afford these issues. I feel your frustration along with many others I bought the P4P for its attributes and now they are harnessed. I had to buy another companies drone to ensure my work and avoid what has happened to you.
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Justin Case Posted at 2017-7-23 03:18
I don't have an internet connection with my bird, and cannot have one since it is a P4Pro+, without a tablet or smartphone.
What I understand from DJI page is that if you intend to fly on a yellow or green area you can unlock it on a computer in advance within 72 hours.
Can someone confirm that is true?

This seems to be confirmed by the ""Flight Planner" (I haven't used it yet, so I'm just telling you what DJI says). But you can always use an external phone or tablet as a WiFi hotspot to get an internet connection to your P4P+ controller
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Antonio76 Posted at 2017-7-23 05:30
This seems to be confirmed by the ""Flight Planner" (I haven't used it yet, so I'm just telling you what DJI says). But you can always use an external phone or tablet as a WiFi hotspot to get an internet connection to your P4P+ controller

Thanks for your reply.
I would like to hear first hand experiences with the flight planner, if it really works as advertised.
Also, this geofencing applies only to the latest update or also to previous versions.
Using a smartphone or a tablet is not a solution: I don't own one and I do not intend to buy one
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You'll just have to check your drone and firmware sometimes, do not forget this because it is important and you need internet only once. Read first, than use the product.
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Justin Case Posted at 2017-7-23 06:06
Thanks for your reply.
I would like to hear first hand experiences with the flight planner, if it really works as advertised.
Also, this geofencing applies only to the latest update or also to previous versions.

Geofencing has been there for some time, but in previous versions of DJI GO 4 there was a button to turn it off. This button was taken away in the latest release, quite possibly because of governments' pressure (Not necessarily the Chinese or ONLY the Chinese....) -Do you have internet at home? A WiFi Router ?
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This might interest somebody...  https://www.loc.gov/law/help/regulation-of-drones/china.php
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Antonio76 Posted at 2017-7-23 06:44
Geofencing has been there for some time, but in previous versions of DJI GO 4 there was a button to turn it off. This button was taken away in the latest release, quite possibly because of governments' pressure (Not necessarily the Chinese or ONLY the Chinese....) -Do you have internet at home? A WiFi Router ?

Yes I have a very powerful tower PC. I do video with heavy post processing.
So, as far as I understand, if I am not forced into the upgrade, I am a very happy camper with my previous version
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Rodger8 Posted at 2017-7-23 03:59
My point exactly. I expressed my concerns when the release came out on the update only to be scorned by an individual that doesn't know what he is talking about. I am commercial and licensed and I cannot afford these issues. I feel your frustration along with many others I bought the P4P for its attributes and now they are harnessed. I had to buy another companies drone to ensure my work and avoid what has happened to you.

Are you referring to this thread?  http://forum.dji.com/thread-99610-1-1.html ("Phantom 4 Pro is now useless to those that use them commercially")
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Justin Case Posted at 2017-7-23 07:08
Yes I have a very powerful tower PC. I do video with heavy post processing.
So, as far as I understand, if I am not forced into the upgrade, I am a very happy camper with my previous version

Then since you have internet at home, you can connect your tablet while at home.(The + Controller' s screen is a proprietary Android tablet and has WiFi...)
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ysmith Posted at 2017-7-14 23:47
Internet has nothing to do with this problem. The phone I use for the DJI GO app to fly my phantom has no sim card so the internet only works when WiFi is available, and today I flew out in the country were the nearest WiFi internet was miles away.

That's correct assumption as long as you'll NOT attempt to fly in an restricted area you're NOT AWARE OF ...
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Vendex Posted at 2017-7-23 06:29
You'll just have to check your drone and firmware sometimes, do not forget this because it is important and you need internet only once. Read first, than use the product.

Not true, at least in P4P+ (plus) case ... It has no internet connection by design, only wifi ... Read first, than use the product ...
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If I were of a different temperament, I might have been one to create a new thread here and complain like Heck about the DJI and the firmware upgrades.  I have a P3S and a P3Pro.  I have done many updates, and have never had a problem that I could figure out myself.  We all have the same drones, whether it be a P, or one of DJI's other models.  I often wonder why some have so much trouble, and other do not.

Yesterday, I got caught in the dreaded "can't go high, can't go far"  problem with my P3S.  I had done an upgrade some days before, but had not flown it since.  I figured I had better go out and test everything.
Sure enough, it was limited in both height and range.  I have three viewing devices.  One is a Smart phone, one is a less expensive Tablet A, and the other is a more powerful Tablet 337.  All were Samsung.  I started with the Tablet A.  It doesn't have cell phone capability and I was nowhere near an Internet connection.  I could not login to my account, and could not lift the restriction.  So I switched to using P3 Pro and my Tab 337, which I had used the day before with the Pro.  The Pro flew fine.  Went out 9,500 feet just as a test.  Then I continued to use the Tab 337 and fired up the Standard again.  To my amazement, the restrictions were lifted. But the Standard was very unstable in flight.  It wandered around the hover point by as much as 10 feet, and changed hover altitudes by as much as 6 feet.  I was actually afraid to fly it.

When I got back home, I did a IMU and compass calibration on the Standard.  On the next test flight it was rock solid in hover flight and all restrictions were lifted. In the field, I had both a a backup drone, and a backup viewing device.  It was a nice day to fly.  and that I did.
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Dobmatt Posted at 2017-7-23 07:38
Not true, at least in P4P+ (plus) case ... It has no internet connection by design, only wifi ... Read first, than use the product ...

Dobmatt, what for would one use the WiFi connection of the P4P+ controller, other that connecting to the Internet- of course through a hotspot?
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Antonio76 Posted at 2017-7-23 09:05
Dobmatt, what for would one use the WiFi connection of the P4P+ controller, other that connecting to the Internet- of course through a hotspot?

Antonio, I don't know ... Perhaps it will work, but in rural Canada - in the name of love - YOU MUST KNOW THE F.....G PASSWORD TO ACCESS AVAILABLE LOCAL WIFI!!! How do you expect that when you stop at rest area (that's how we call places with toilets and picnic tables near highways), see a nice scenery to film, but your p4p won't take off because you're in Enhanced Warning Zone ... Hot spot??? I have no idea what's that, I have no smartphone and I don't intend to buy one. I'm not looking for workarounds, I want to film and photograph landscapes with my P4P+ drone. Is that simple ... Antonio, we're talking about TRAVELING with drones and documenting the trip as it progresses, not flying above backyard to impress barbecue party guests. That's where the entire concept of P4P falls apart in some places. Other than that, it's a wonderful piece of technology ...
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pat_L Posted at 2017-7-23 12:47
DJI has absolutely some of the worst programmers out there. The fact that some of their employees refer to them as "engineering" is a mockery. Their "customer service" is mostly offshore in the Phillipines. They don't communicate and they state conflicting things, or they simply lie.

The company essentially pays bottom of the barrel. Their employees in California are rejects of the highest (or lowest?) order. Do you think their Chinese poorly-paid programmers are any better? It's not like DJI competes with real companies like MS, Google, Apple, etc for hires. Their "support team" consists of a small few shills, one of whom is part time, and all of whom couldn't get a job at the Geek Squad if they tried. They rely on forum shills to be their Kellyanne Conways.

pat_L, did you noticed the name of house owners before entering this party???
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Dobmatt Posted at 2017-7-23 15:12
pat_L, did you noticed the name of house owners before entering this party???

Don't worry, the "employees in California (who) are rejects of the highest (or lowest?) order." will sort him out.
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