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Phuong Do Posted at 2017-8-3 05:56
I think the number is minor, the only mistake DJI making is that they are not honest telling customer what is going on. If it is bad quality, they should take responsibility and recall.
I still think it is the product quality issue here. If it is firmware (software), all Sparks would have problem, not just a few.

A little bit too much of "think, should, would" for me.. Everything is just a speculation until Dji says somthing about it official.
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till now i havnt faced any flyways or falling from the sky! rightnow im confident as im still controlling spark with virtual joystick.
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Quite scared to hurt someone and also lose £700...yes
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Flying Wolf_NOL Posted at 2017-7-26 05:39
Well, it may surprise you that I don't disagree. If they could all be made to disappear with the wave of a hand, I'd be all for it. However, the criminals will always have them.

The can of worms has been opened here for a long time. In my city, there are multiple shooting EVERY day!  I don't like it either. However, we're left with no choice but to fight fire with fire.

Looks like WW3 maybe missing a nuke or two.....
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Zirconn Posted at 2017-7-28 11:22
Post firmware update, knowing that they added more battery status logging, probably in other places too, I fly it without fear. Also, I'm a drone noob so in the beginning, I was very cautious. Now that I've learned the ropes, I'm enjoying it a lot more. If it crashes, they will fix/replace it.

You hope they will replace it.....
2017-8-3
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im afraid to update the firmware i do ok flying it hahah
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I'll admit to one fear...  the Spark dropping from the sky.  I've seen enough posts and videos to believe that it's a real issue.  While I was originally inclined to believe pilot error, I'm now suspecting that there's something to it.  Since my primary use case is photos while boating, I have strong concerns of the Spark losing power and ditching in the water.  If such were to occur, I will not be able to recover it.  My hope would be that if I am able to demonstrate careful and safe flying (my logs should demonstrate such) DJI would honor the warranty even if I cannot recover the craft.

My next hope would be that if DJI is unwilling to replace craft that cannot be recovered, DJI would advise all of us early and clearly to only fly in a manner that would allow recovery of the craft (never over deep water).  I would be disappointed, but I would at least know that DJI is aware of the problem and is advising us in a manner that allows us to adjust our behavior.  At this time I believe that flying over water is not an abnormal or prohibited use case, and DJI has not conveyed any information which would lead me to believe that I should be concerned with flying over bodies of water.
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Charles Adams Posted at 2017-8-4 07:46
I'll admit to one fear...  the Spark dropping from the sky.  I've seen enough posts and videos to believe that it's a real issue.  While I was originally inclined to believe pilot error, I'm now suspecting that there's something to it.  Since my primary use case is photos while boating, I have strong concerns of the Spark losing power and ditching in the water.  If such were to occur, I will not be able to recover it.  My hope would be that if I am able to demonstrate careful and safe flying (my logs should demonstrate such) DJI would honor the warranty even if I cannot recover the craft.

My next hope would be that if DJI is unwilling to replace craft that cannot be recovered, DJI would advise all of us early and clearly to only fly in a manner that would allow recovery of the craft (never over deep water).  I would be disappointed, but I would at least know that DJI is aware of the problem and is advising us in a manner that allows us to adjust our behavior.  At this time I believe that flying over water is not an abnormal or prohibited use case, and DJI has not conveyed any information which would lead me to believe that I should be concerned with flying over bodies of water.

I agree completely.  Many of the 'flyaways' can be explained by compass failures. I find the compass on this UAV to be particularly sensitive (for some reason.). I'm not saying that's the cause of every flyaway, but most reports start off with "I just calibrated the compass."

The AC falling out of the sky is completely different. The logs just show that the unit powered off. That's not something you can do from the RC. So, why are these units not being replace under warranty?

Like you, I won't fly over water until the reports of sparks falling out of the sky stop showing up.  
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Flying Wolf_NOL Posted at 2017-8-4 08:10
I agree completely.  Many of the 'flyaways' can be explained by compass failures. I find the compass on this UAV to be particularly sensitive (for some reason.). I'm not saying that's the cause of every flyaway, but most reports start off with "I just calibrated the compass."

The AC falling out of the sky is completely different. The logs just show that the unit powered off. That's not something you can do from the RC. So, why are these units not being replace under warranty?

I actually intend to continue flying over water unless DJI tells me that this use case is not recommended.  I expect them to honor the warranty for all normal use cases.  Of course my expectations and plans don't mean diddly squat.
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Charles Adams Posted at 2017-8-4 08:41
I actually intend to continue flying over water unless DJI tells me that this use case is not recommended.  I expect them to honor the warranty for all normal use cases.  Of course my expectations and plans don't mean diddly squat.

There are at least 3 posts (that I've read) where the user lost their spark in water. DJI did NOT replace the aircraft in those cases. They offered a 30% discount on a new unit. That's it. I haven't read where anyone who didn't have the drone to return to them got a replacement under warranty.

I could have missed it, but I haven't seen anyone report that to date.
That's why I won't fly over water until this gets worked out.   The latest update had to be applied to all batteries. So, maybe the problem has been fixed. There was no mention of what was being updated in the batteries nor has there been an announcement from DJI about the issue.

I've been watching this situation closely as I live in Louisiana - it's mostly water!  So, my spark is very limited at this point.
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No fear I've gotten comfortable with taking it out further now
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Yeaz13 Posted at 2017-8-3 12:14
You hope they will replace it.....

I don't fly over lakes (tho I would love to) and places I can't recover the drone from if it falls. Fly-away, yes, that would be tricky but I take my precautions.
I think I have 15km in the last two days
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Flying drones over water is risky... regardless of which drone you're using unless it's the Spash Drone which is designed to take off from and land in the water.

I have an older P2 and had a couple of close calls... I once tried to have th drone follow us In the tender going to a real scenic place a couple of miles away but end up loosing connection halfway over... no idea where the damn thing was until I realized it was probably doing an RTH. Except that I had launched from th tender and they d be nothing for the P2 to land on. Rushed back as was able to regain control when close to the home point and prevent it from making a water landing.  There was a couple of tense minutes where I was moving  th drone one way while my girlfriend was driving the tender the other way when I finally grabbed the P2 I looked at the crude P2 telemetry and saw battery 1%

Another close call was with a Mavic pro, I was landing on the boat swim platform and a combination of gusty winds, anchor swing and pilot error let the Mavic hit a line... it was saved inches from the water by a crew member with good reflexes.  Lessons learned I now only land at the bow where there is far less turbulence ...
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Thought I would share this little bit that happened.
I have around 40 flight with my spark so far and the last one got me worried.

I was in sub-urban area when taking off with 18 satelites so fairly good gps signal.
Before take off it automatically set the home point and I was off.
Went about 90m in altitude and around 70m in distance, I was taking pictures and looking around when
I noticed my spark started heading randomly towards the city center.  I used return home around
200m away but nothing happened, still flying away from me.
At around 400m RC lost signal and I could not track it on the map, so I hopped into my car and headed to the last point it was on my map.
For my luck I did establish connection again and was able to locate, follow it.  
Spark landed with 4% of battery life and it was 1100m away from my home point.  

I am only guessing that something had to go very wrong with gps.

All the best with your sparks .
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When drone is getting a problem with GPS - try to use navigation in car or phone. Maybe someone nearby is using gps jammer.
In fact yesterday was big KP indes, so GPS and electronics in overall may got issues.
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Wow guys i am getting my spark in the post tomorrow and all this stuff you guys are talking about is making me not want to take it out of the box !!
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fansf0c8663d Posted at 2017-8-7 00:57
Wow guys i am getting my spark in the post tomorrow and all this stuff you guys are talking about is making me not want to take it out of the box !!

Me too. Mine is waiting at my office, can't try it till I return from my trip.  Very nervous to unbox it.
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my answer is now 100% yes.
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Have anyone have problem that when your spark take off from the ground, it became uncontrollable (cannot land). It as if it is flying by its own. Mine does that 3 times already, and it stops by crashing at walls.
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Boja Posted at 2017-8-7 06:11
Have anyone have problem that when your spark take off from the ground, it became uncontrollable (cannot land). It as if it is flying by its own. Mine does that 3 times already, and it stops by crashing at walls.

Have you got full gps lock i.e. 10/12 sats minimum.
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Boja Posted at 2017-8-7 06:11
Have anyone have problem that when your spark take off from the ground, it became uncontrollable (cannot land). It as if it is flying by its own. Mine does that 3 times already, and it stops by crashing at walls.

had mine about a month,latest firmware no problems with flying with this firmware or last only things
that don't work are dronie and helix.

great little  drone,sorry you guys are having problems.
I calibrate the compass every time I fly and always wait for for the home point to be

updated and I'm away mostly in sports mode to have some fun.
if I need video I use my mavic or phantom 3 pro.

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For those worried who have Sparks coming in next few days or are just about to open one, just fly it like it was a new drone, take it step by step and enjoy the learning experience.  The main issue you will have is probably just connecting the controller or the phone wifi, but there are plenty of different threads and videos giving all sorts of advise on that.  Enjoy, its worth it.
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MarkDeLo Posted at 2017-7-25 14:01
Scared, but I have DJI Care that makes me a bit less scared.

They unfortunately won't cover a vast number of issues. Power cuts over the water or any other inaccessible area and you can't recover it? You're out of the cost of the drone package plus DJI Refresh.
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Just a response to this thread.   

I am a dam good pilot and drone tech.  You have to be......period.   All this...fly out of the box.....no experience necessary.....pure marketing and highly irresponsible.

I have had vision 2,  own P3A with over 350 flights......no crashes or serious issues.    Have flown in big cities in Europe, off mountain peaks here in Whistler, B.C. Where I live.  Up rivers in the wilderness at max range.  Calibrate every flight,  hell I even calibrate my IMU. On my pool table.....very level.

Just got Spark a week ago.  Results from camera alone were terrific, very happy.

Fourth flight.....ascend to 300 feet,  set Spark  to Pano, get shot.

Instead of just down stick I decide on RTH.  Spark headed south, never saw it again. Using controller but no controls allowed me to pause autonomous  event.

DJI Support......five stars,  all records forwarded,  determined to be warranty claim, all good and resolved in eight days.

My advice to all Spark or Mavic owners.  Use OTG cable for direct hardware  connection when using remote.  This ain't "Lightbridge' kids!    Test,  test,  test and in a big field.  Install GPS tracker on Spark. Make sure to buy DJI Care(59 bucks,),,     I am getting with my new one.

Apart from that it is a great machine....being able to backcountry Ski into  wild areas with a drone in a pocket is excellent.

Good luck, get great shots.

Cheers
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fansc22a7c69 Posted at 2017-8-7 13:08
Just a response to this thread.   

I am a dam good pilot and drone tech.  You have to be......period.   All this...fly out of the box.....no experience necessary.....pure marketing and highly irresponsible.

what gps tracker do you recommend. i have a Tile attached to mine.
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No... So far its been perfect. The new firmware update was a good additin and I love the little guy. Ran this is some high heat and for over an hour and a half with 5 batts. No issues.
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I have problems with 5 different android phones. But I do the Factory reset to a Samsung S6, and now the App work fine. No more issues. So it was a Android failure. But, when is going to happen again?
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Monochrome Posted at 2017-7-26 02:36
While I'm afraid to fly it I will continue doing it as soon as new fw will drop.

Is there any news of a new firmware update?
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It's a nice and fun drone but very scared to fly,especially with the latest firmware updated somehow it became very unstable. I'll wait for the next update. Hope the solve the issues.
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Chiam168@gmail. Posted at 2017-8-9 11:21
It's a nice and fun drone but very scared to fly,especially with the latest firmware updated somehow it became very unstable. I'll wait for the next update. Hope the solve the issues.

First warning means your gimbal is obstructed in some way, you may just need to move it by hand to free it up.
Second warning just means you are taking of near metal rebar concrete giving magnetic interference. New firmware will not fix these. So try checking these out or you may need to send your Spark back to dji.
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I am a relative novice with only about 20 flights but I have had zero issues.  At this point based on my experience I probably would not fly over a lake or someplace too far away.  My son also has a Spark and more experience and more flights.  He has had no problems either.

At this point I am very deliberate in my flight prep and do a little low altitude flying for a minute or so before doing anything more adventurous.

If you can't enjoy flying then maybe a drone is not something you need.  Sort of like owning an expensive sports car and keeping it in the garage because you don't want to take any risks.  The fun is in the driving not looking at it parked.

If it flies away and I can't find it then I will be sad.
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Charles Adams Posted at 2017-8-4 07:46
I'll admit to one fear...  the Spark dropping from the sky.  I've seen enough posts and videos to believe that it's a real issue.  While I was originally inclined to believe pilot error, I'm now suspecting that there's something to it.  Since my primary use case is photos while boating, I have strong concerns of the Spark losing power and ditching in the water.  If such were to occur, I will not be able to recover it.  My hope would be that if I am able to demonstrate careful and safe flying (my logs should demonstrate such) DJI would honor the warranty even if I cannot recover the craft.

My next hope would be that if DJI is unwilling to replace craft that cannot be recovered, DJI would advise all of us early and clearly to only fly in a manner that would allow recovery of the craft (never over deep water).  I would be disappointed, but I would at least know that DJI is aware of the problem and is advising us in a manner that allows us to adjust our behavior.  At this time I believe that flying over water is not an abnormal or prohibited use case, and DJI has not conveyed any information which would lead me to believe that I should be concerned with flying over bodies of water.

I have the same problem, I use to fly over sea, so I am working to have a improved version of this idea, probably with this yellow "churro", but with an fastbelt and unfastbelt system, I will post.
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SuperCurro Posted at 2017-8-10 01:00
I have the same problem, I use to fly over sea, so I am working to have a improved version of this idea, probably with this yellow "churro", but with an fastbelt and unfastbelt system, I will post.

i could be wrong but i feel that you could use a lot less foam and still keep it a float. that's a lot of weight and surface area(for wind to catch) you are adding when you probably only need a tiny bit of foam to keep 300g buoyant.

Just a suggestion.
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SuperCurro Posted at 2017-8-10 01:00
I have the same problem, I use to fly over sea, so I am working to have a improved version of this idea, probably with this yellow "churro", but with an fastbelt and unfastbelt system, I will post.

A good breeze and your spark will flip.
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Got a scare the other day.  Might partially be my fault for not taking some preventive measures though.  Decided to fly the Spark in my back yard to go straight up and catch a nice sunset.  Forgot to put iPhone on airplane mode w/ just wifi ON and should have chose "Forget this Network" for my home wifi.  Took off and while hovering  at 200ft or so, lost connection.  I believe the RC to DJI app/phone was what lost  connection.  At this moment, drone decided to start landing straight down automatically.  I thought it was going to crash in the fence and break some propellers or land on the neighbors backyard.  The problem was that when my phone disconnected from the RC, my damn phone automatically connected to my home Wifi so phone connection to the RC was gone.  Lucky for me, I think the RC remained connected to the Spark or reconnected at the last minute allowing me to take control of the drone and land safely while still not being connected to the App.  I think i'll start using the cable now for phone to RC connection to be safe while phone is in airplane mode.  I recently flew over water a couple of weeks ago and while nervous wasn't too scared.  Now this is going to be in the back of my mind.
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Thor1 Posted at 2017-8-10 02:03
i could be wrong but i feel that you could use a lot less foam and still keep it a float. that's a lot of weight and surface area(for wind to catch) you are adding when you probably only need a tiny bit of foam to keep 300g buoyant.

Just a suggestion.



Of course I will cut the foam to give me around 0.4 liters, probably it is just 20cm+20cm at each side of the Spark, I will calculate it.

Thanks
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No option for concerned, but not afraid to fly.
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Lost my spark 7/2/17 DJI is offering me 40% a new spark if I can come up with the money to get a new spark I will probably fly only in my yard and in beginner mode and even then I will be scared to fly it. ( YouTube video ) DJI Spark and DJI Care Refresh
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fansab7d98f9 Posted at 2017-8-10 13:30
Lost my spark 7/2/17 DJI is offering me 40% a new spark if I can come up with the money to get a new spark I will probably fly only in my yard and in beginner mode and even then I will be scared to fly it. ( YouTube video ) DJI Spark and DJI Care Refresh

that would suck, its almost not even worth getting.
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fansab7d98f9 Posted at 2017-8-10 13:30
Lost my spark 7/2/17 DJI is offering me 40% a new spark if I can come up with the money to get a new spark I will probably fly only in my yard and in beginner mode and even then I will be scared to fly it. ( YouTube video ) DJI Spark and DJI Care Refresh

have you kept complaining to get more? what was the reason to the lost?
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