Bob Brown Posted at 2018-3-10 05:33
I think I would be less aggressive on these posts if I did not see them so frequently.  Idiots go buy 3lb. flying machines and then don't educate themselves or take the time for safety. Fly them to 1k ft in strong winds and then blame everyone but themselves for their stupidity when they loose it or crash it. It's ridiculous. I truly hope this kid never finds it.

With you 100% Bob. Flown most DJI craft since starting with the Phantom 3 Standard and never had anything even close to what this loon has experienced. No prep indeed. No sympathy at all. Read the damn instructions before you fly. Aggressive is the only way to make it sink home with some people. Post 11 also sums it up.

The original OP of this thread was just trolling you. Didn't you figure that out? Same pattern, guys, post controversial statements, then not defend it?  
As my mother used to say "you'd argue with a sign post"
Good scenario to use as bait, though.
That's it, boys, stir it up. No updates to complain about, new drones have been beat to death, time to fight among yourselves...
He was just watching and laughing.  Me, too.
Let it die.

Too much trolling, too much emotional nonsense. Fly safe and enjoy your pastime. There will always be people who get a kick out of bending 'the rules' or just being delinquent for the 'fun' of it. There's a youtube culture for professional pranksters where idiots do dangerous things just for clicks and likes. In the end the adrenalin rush will catch you out, be you a mountain climber a white-water rafter or even a drone flyer - if thats the reason you are doing these activities. Calculated risk versus the thrill of the moment.

Jyunte Posted at 2018-3-10 17:22
"I was going to bring my drone to Disneyland, and take off from inside my room then out the sliding door. Turning sensors off of course. Then back up to the room."

Of course, there's a 3 mile no fly zone around Disneyland...

Only if you don't apply for a commercial permit. Like I stated. But thanks for the pointless comment. Also, it's 3000ft, not 3 miles.

Dirty Bird Posted at 2018-3-11 18:16
Well we certainly don't want you running afoul of any FAA regulations!

So sport, being as I've been declared a sociopath,  you'll have to take everything a reckless scoundrel like me says with a grain of salt & a few shots of Patron.   Hell I'm only here because Hannibal & Face busted me out for an aerial gig after Murdoch went MIA.  Wonder if they'll have to drug B.A. to get him on the quad?

Was it all litchi autopilot way points flying?  Both quads?
Very bold, especially around inner harbor. You have to have a trust in GPS coordinates to the bit.

“Magic Pro”? Is that a new model? Because I have a mavic Pro...

Dirty Bird Posted at 2018-3-12 10:27
Yes it was a joint Litchi waypoint mission, with each bird flying it's own flight plan.

WARNING: Professional sociopath drone pilot.  Do not attempt this at home.

Yeah, if SpaceX can land two boosters synchronously why not Litchi cannot do joint waypoint mission.

And no I'm not going to try it at home... well, maybe from deserted parking lot under cover of night .

So much rage in one thread?  Perhaps it was inevitable since the debate was kicked off with an (over?) enthusiastic attempt at tough love.

Still I struggle to avoid taking a sides on a general principle which has come out here.  There seems to be a suggestion (quite unrelated to the OP's description) that:

"Nobody's been killed yet, so we shouldn't be bothered with safety.  When someone is killed (and ONLY then) should we start to take safety seriously"

I can't accept this idea.  It just doesn't stack up.  It's not okay to "accept" killing someone.  It's not okay to require someone to be killed on the sacrificial alter of safety before we start thinking about safty.  https://www.theguardian.com/tech ... eathrow-near-misses

I don't believe Dirty Bird is advocating a complete free for all "fly them wherever you want without restriction and to hell with the consequences".  Unfortunately loose words have somewhat given that impression and I think that's what's got people so angry.


All of that said, safety is most affected by something not mentioned in the OP's post... where were they flying?  What were the surroundings, how high, before they lost it?  

Drop 0.5kg on someone's head from 120m and it's going to hurt but most likely not kill.  Drop a drone on a very busy freeway and it could go through the windscreen of a fast moving car and cause a very nasty accident and might actually kill someone.  Fly one into a jumbo jet engine during landing or takeoff and it's going to cause a disaster reported world wide with many dead.  

Taking off from a balcony is frankly irrelevant without knowing where the balcony was.

Bulldog Posted at 2018-3-12 08:41
Only if you don't apply for a commercial permit. Like I stated. But thanks for the pointless comment. Also, it's 3000ft, not 3 miles.

Nothing can fly below 3,000 feet and within 3 miles of Disneyland and Walt Disney World. Those are the only theme parks in the United States to have no-fly zone designations. Law enforcement, medical, and military aircraft are exempt from the restriction as long as they are in contact with air traffic control.

You mentioned nothing about applying for a permit.

Thank you for playing.

Jyunte Posted at 2018-3-13 00:08
Nothing can fly below 3,000 feet and within 3 miles of Disneyland and Walt Disney World. Those are the only theme parks in the United States to have no-fly zone designations. Law enforcement, medical, and military aircraft are exempt from the restriction as long as they are in contact with air traffic control.

You mentioned nothing about applying for a permit.

You are wrong. Read what I posted. The first thing I ever posted about flying at disney talked about a permit. Sorry you side busted ten posts later and didn't read.

Philip Couling Posted at 2018-3-12 11:37
So much rage in one thread?  Perhaps it was inevitable since the debate was kicked off with an (over?) enthusiastic attempt at tough love.

Still I struggle to avoid taking a sides on a general principle which has come out here.  There seems to be a suggestion (quite unrelated to the OP's description) that:

What are you talking about? This is my 6th thread in 8 months. where you been?

Bob Brown Posted at 2018-3-10 05:18
He/she did a mistake that could have hurt or killed another. I won't argue it... this is pure new pilot negligence.
Oh and what the heck is a magic pro? not to be mean but the op obvisouly is not detail oriented or a very young child that doesnt know how to spell?

"what the heck is a magic pro? "

S.D. Pilot Posted at 2018-3-13 11:27
"what the heck is a magic pro? "

As someone pointed out it was most likely a correction made by a mobile device... very minor mistake in comparison to throwing it off the deck in 40+ mph winds with 400 little kids on the ground. ;)

Bob Brown Posted at 2018-3-13 11:54
As someone pointed out it was most likely a correction made by a mobile device... very minor mistake in comparison to throwing it off the deck in 40+ mph winds with 400 little kids on the ground. ;)

Magic pro sounds like some kind of George Foreman product.

Bulldog Posted at 2018-3-13 11:00
You are wrong. Read what I posted. The first thing I ever posted about flying at disney talked about a permit. Sorry you side busted ten posts later and didn't read.

Good try, but nope. No mention of permits in your first, or subsequent posts:

Post #21 (Your first in this thread):
You like to bash people and talk down to them? You beat up a toddler today to make yourself feel better?
I would hate to be your kid learning to drive, holy crap.
For the record, I take off from a balcony almost every flight. That has absolutly nothing to do with it. Balconies go from 5ft to hundereds of square ft. The more important bit of info would be:
Make sure no metal around for compass
Make sure to have sensors off if balcony is tight. Otherwise the drone will sense walls and drift away and up on it's own.
Check wind for sure.
I was going to bring my drone to Disneyland, and take off from inside my room then out the sliding door. Turning sensors off of course. Then back up to the room.


Post #24 (Your 2nd in this thread):
So please explain how a 600sq ft balcony made of zero metal is effecting take off? You are so smart, I feel like I can learn a lot here......... Go ahead, explain. We will all wait kindly.


Post #26 (Your 3rd in this thread):
Didn't think so.
I like how you came into my thread trying to post evidence that I can't fly at Disney, yet in what you posted it showed the procedure. You sir, are a piece of work.

My post was post #29.

Post #56 (Your 4th in this thread):
Only if you don't apply for a commercial permit. Like I stated. But thanks for the pointless comment. Also, it's 3000ft, not 3 miles.


My second post was #62.


Post #63 (Your 5th in this thread):
You are wrong. Read what I posted. The first thing I ever posted about flying at disney talked about a permit. Sorry you side busted ten posts later and didn't read.


So, as you can see, you mentioned flying at Disneyland in your first post to this thread, but never mentioned a permit of any kind, until your fourth post in this thread... in the post where you claimed you spoke about permits in your first post! I can read just fine, thanks.

Again, thanks for playing.

S.D. Pilot Posted at 2018-3-13 13:25
Magic pro sounds like some kind of George Foreman product.

I think DJI should make a Magic Pro... perhaps then the fly aways, crashes and bloomps could all magically reset themselves.

Jyunte Posted at 2018-3-13 15:31
Good try, but nope. No mention of permits in your first, or subsequent posts:

Post #21 (Your first in this thread):

Just cause you say that is the first time I posted it, doesn't make it so. Search again.

This may explain loss of drone, and why it is not a good idea to attempt to fly off of a balcony of multi-story building.
"Tunnel effect of Wind" or "Wind tunnel blockage effect".  

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ae921cf274bd8d1aff3763092d701de4
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/62 ... el_effect_624in.png
http://www.ifh.uni-karlsruhe.de/ ... ilme/haus1_mini.gif

In Toronto, the broadcaster Global News measured gusts  of between 30kmph (18.6mph) and 45kmph (28mph) at one corner of the  55-storey Four Seasons Hotel. It detected wind speeds of just 5kmph  (3.1mph) slightly north of the building.



Wind tunnel effect being so strong as to have blown windows out of skyscrapers, due to difference of air pressure inside vs. air pressure outside.

Dirty Bird Posted at 2018-3-11 18:16
Well we certainly don't want you running afoul of any FAA regulations!

So sport, being as I've been declared a sociopath,  you'll have to take everything a reckless scoundrel like me says with a grain of salt & a few shots of Patron.   Hell I'm only here because Hannibal & Face busted me out for an aerial gig after Murdoch went MIA.  Wonder if they'll have to drug B.A. to get him on the quad?

Hey, This is some good footage, by the way was that a phantom in the front?

That's one of the worst nightmares one can have flying their drone. Having a complete GPS breakdown from takeoff with no tracking data recorded doesn't give you that much of an ability to do something. I find it bizarre that we can track the last known recorded location on Google Find Your Device Application for Andorid, which records your last location until your battery gives way. I don't know why DJI doesn't just patch in Google Find Device Application and sync it to the GO 4 App? Wouldn't we be saving ourselves a heck of a lot of unforseen problems that ultimately the drone flies using Android, why would we delegate GPS sole responsibilities and not share them with the Google Android interface? I hope DJI considers implementing that feature and at least we can have some integrity of locating problematic crafts that lose tracking data to the DJI Go 4 Application but can connect to Google Servers that are more dispersed and populated over flying areas that significantly dwarf the number of DJI assisted user servers spread far and apart from each other.
I'm sorry to hear you lost the drone but good luck and hope that you find your Mavic.

Bob Brown Posted at 2018-3-13 16:25
I think DJI should make a Magic Pro... perhaps then the fly aways, crashes and bloomps could all magically reset themselves.

You don't want a Magic Pro........ they apparently disappear immediately after take off.

Actually,   there is a "Magic Pro"

Dirty Bird Posted at 2018-3-16 08:53
Not understanding your post.  The app receives the aircraft's coordinates from the onboard GPS.  While your device may have an internet connection, the aircraft itself isn't connected to Google.  If you have lost RC contact there is no way for the bird to inform Google of its location.

"If you have lost RC contact there is no way for the bird to inform Google of its location. "

Way to go!  Now that Google knows that, Google will start work on remeding that mistake.  

Google tracks everything!  News video showing how Google even tracks an Android cell phone user, even when cell phone is in Airplane mode.

Dirty Bird Posted at 2018-3-16 08:53
Not understanding your post.  The app receives the aircraft's coordinates from the onboard GPS.  While your device may have an internet connection, the aircraft itself isn't connected to Google.  If you have lost RC contact there is no way for the bird to inform Google of its location.

I'm just saying the aircraft can follow the same underlying principal that WiFi Android devices do regardless of having an internal SIM card or not. If DJI incorporated Google Find My Device Application into DJI GO 4 then I'm sure that would solve a lot of location problems with fliers losing complete tracking of their drone. Whenever I check Find My Device Android App it tells me exactly where the device is or was last recorded by displaying the exact last time and location. There are an inordinate amount of Google servers as opposed to servers that DJI uses, and so I'm just saying how can incorporating Find My Device on Android into DJI GO 4 not be beneficial and an improvement to DJI drones?

davidmartingraf Posted at 2018-3-16 10:14
I'm just saying the aircraft can follow the same underlying principal that WiFi Android devices do regardless of having an internal SIM card or not. If DJI incorporated Google Find My Device Application into DJI GO 4 then I'm sure that would solve a lot of location problems with fliers losing complete tracking of their drone. Whenever I check Find My Device Android App it tells me exactly where the device is or was last recorded by displaying the exact last time and location. There are an inordinate amount of Google servers as opposed to servers that DJI uses, and so I'm just saying how can incorporating Find My Device on Android into DJI GO 4 not be beneficial and an improvement to DJI drones?

I just feel when you spend just as much money on a drone as you do on a premium smartphone the capabilities of locating and tracking your hardware should go hand in hand?

davidmartingraf Posted at 2018-3-16 10:14
I'm just saying the aircraft can follow the same underlying principal that WiFi Android devices do regardless of having an internal SIM card or not. If DJI incorporated Google Find My Device Application into DJI GO 4 then I'm sure that would solve a lot of location problems with fliers losing complete tracking of their drone. Whenever I check Find My Device Android App it tells me exactly where the device is or was last recorded by displaying the exact last time and location. There are an inordinate amount of Google servers as opposed to servers that DJI uses, and so I'm just saying how can incorporating Find My Device on Android into DJI GO 4 not be beneficial and an improvement to DJI drones?

"There are an inordinate amount of Google servers as opposed to servers that DJI uses,"
"but can connect to Google Servers that are more dispersed and populated over flying areas"

The amount of servers is not the issue. Nor is diversity of Google servers.  The servers only collect data.  The servers do not have transmitter capability.
Your Android phone is sending tracking data to Cell Phone towers or via open WiFi.  Which is then relayed through internet to servers.

WiFi tracking would only work if drone was in range of open WiFi.
For Cellular tracking, DJI would have to add transceiver capabilities of cellphones.

HedgeTrimmer Posted at 2018-3-16 15:05
"There are an inordinate amount of Google servers as opposed to servers that DJI uses,"
"but can connect to Google Servers that are more dispersed and populated over flying areas"

I don't see how when you're in the business of making and selling drones that travel miles away and return to home why it wouldn't be useful or essential to incorporate the best tracking technologies that exist currently? If we have it with our smart devices, we should have it with our smart drones, case closed. It works out not to be more of a cost DJI has to incur, as many people encounter a fly-away that isn't their fault per say but most of the time they complain to DJI because the drone was lost as a result. DJI ends of having to allocate company resources to these complaints, not to mention sometimes sending new replacement drones or even refunding the cost of the drone paid by customers. If these loss prevention capabilities are added, the increased cost and additional price charged is minimal compared to the costs and time wasted that exist currently arising from lost drones. It's simple supply and demand curve econonics that shifts the demand curve outward because there's a change in technology, which means more consumers would be consuming drones because the technology is more reliant, hence everyone wins.

davidmartingraf Posted at 2018-3-16 21:36
I don't see how when you're in the business of making and selling drones that travel miles away and return to home why it wouldn't be useful or essential to incorporate the best tracking technologies that exist currently? If we have it with our smart devices, we should have it with our smart drones, case closed. It works out not to be more of a cost DJI has to incur, as many people encounter a fly-away that isn't their fault per say but most of the time they complain to DJI because the drone was lost as a result. DJI ends of having to allocate company resources to these complaints, not to mention sometimes sending new replacement drones or even refunding the cost of the drone paid by customers. If these loss prevention capabilities are added, the increased cost and additional price charged is minimal compared to the costs and time wasted that exist currently arising from lost drones. It's simple supply and demand curve econonics that shifts the demand curve outward because there's a change in technology, which means more consumers would be consuming drones because the technology is more reliant, hence everyone wins.

Basically the idea is good,
But there are some RF (Radio Frequencies) overlapping band problems which could cause a poor connection between the controller and the aircraft. And even if these would be managed the range would drop.
Let me develop:
The frequency rage of a 3G network is from 1.8 to 2.5Ghz, so full overlapping the authorised 2,4Ghz for public use, and the 4G network is from 2-8Ghz so even overlapping the  authorised 5.8Ghz for public use.
Naturally this could be managed by the aircraft switching the RC frequency if the current channel is used by the mobile network.
Knowing that the GSM specifications are allowing a sending power up to 2W and the max sending power of the Mavic is 1,6W (FCC) the signal isolation is more difficult and the controllable range will drop strongly.
The 2G with EDGE (0.75 -1.8Ghz) is the only mobile network mode which is not interfering with public authorised frequencies. But the old 2G is nearly end of life, in some countries it has already turned off and most of them will turn it off in 2020.

To eliminate the problem with overlapping frequencies this transponder could used like an ELT (Emergency Locator Transmitter) in real airplanes but connecting to the mobile network  Basically it is getting active when a crash is detected or lost connection to the controller for a long time. This would than also need an autonomous power.

Even this would not help every time, as at least in Europe until now we are only allowed in non build up area where in my experience the mobile network reception is very often really bad, especially when the drone is on the ground.

It seems that with the 5G network drones could be included in the 5G network and controlled using the 5G, but here I am asking myself how to control them wen no 5G available.

I the mean time you could have a look for a drone tracking transponder already available:
http://3dinsider.com/best-gps-drone-trackers/

Bulldog Posted at 2018-3-16 06:42
Just cause you say that is the first time I posted it, doesn't make it so. Search again.

I quoted every post of yours in this thread, in its entirety.

Again, thanks for playing.

I know all too well the feeling of a lost drone.  DO NOT BOTHER with trying to get it replaced VIA DJI.  I can promise you, they won't do a THING for you... Even with DJI Care.   DJI Care is a TOTAL and complete rip off.   Your FAR better off getting some sort of insurance from a 3rd party.  In NO WAY should you trust DJI.

davidmartingraf Posted at 2018-3-16 21:36
I don't see how when you're in the business of making and selling drones that travel miles away and return to home why it wouldn't be useful or essential to incorporate the best tracking technologies that exist currently? If we have it with our smart devices, we should have it with our smart drones, case closed. It works out not to be more of a cost DJI has to incur, as many people encounter a fly-away that isn't their fault per say but most of the time they complain to DJI because the drone was lost as a result. DJI ends of having to allocate company resources to these complaints, not to mention sometimes sending new replacement drones or even refunding the cost of the drone paid by customers. If these loss prevention capabilities are added, the increased cost and additional price charged is minimal compared to the costs and time wasted that exist currently arising from lost drones. It's simple supply and demand curve econonics that shifts the demand curve outward because there's a change in technology, which means more consumers would be consuming drones because the technology is more reliant, hence everyone wins.

DJI will NOT implement a "Tracking" feature, because if you lose your drone,  they will make more money off you because you need to replace your drone.   FACT

frankengels Posted at 2018-3-17 08:04
Basically the idea is good,
But there are some RF (Radio Frequencies) overlapping band problems which could cause a poor connection between the controller and the aircraft. And even if these would be managed the range would drop.
Let me develop:

...Or, just do it the DJI way & buy the newest model drone.

Lost your Magic?

ro_flyer Posted at 2018-3-21 15:42
Lost your Magic?

Well it was 50/50 Mavic or Spark

NerdyGuy Posted at 2018-3-21 15:39
DJI will NOT implement a "Tracking" feature, because if you lose your drone,  they will make more money off you because you need to replace your drone.   FACT

I guess so - that seems like the case. Thanks.

NerdyGuy Posted at 2018-3-21 15:39
DJI will NOT implement a "Tracking" feature, because if you lose your drone,  they will make more money off you because you need to replace your drone.   FACT

What type of tracking would you suggest ?

Most are too short range to be of much practical use, while the better ones rely on cell-phone system to rely information back. No use at all when no cell network available.

Aardvark Posted at 2018-3-21 16:31
What type of tracking would you suggest ?

Most are too short range to be of much practical use, while the better ones rely on cell-phone system to rely information back. No use at all when no cell network available.

How about a fishing line attached to the thing... so that if you loose the drone, just reel it back in.   "DJI:  We make the most EXPENSIVE kites in the world"  ... Soon to be their new tag line.

davidmartingraf Posted at 2018-3-21 15:50
I guess so - that seems like the case. Thanks.

Trust me brother.  I have gone at it with DJI.   Don't EVEN bother with "Support"  if your new to DJI.   Know this.  Support does NOT EXIST with DJI... Your TRULY on your own...  After they sold the product to you, they have ZERO intention of offering ANY support.  
Get insurance from a third party... Check with your insurance carrier.  I hear State Farm will write policies for drone owners.   I haven't really looking into it, since I lost my Spark in September, I haven't really flow more than a day (TOTAL)... I just don't trust DJI.   So I have 2 birds in storage, just sitting there.  Not getting used.   DJI Support killed my mojo for DJI products.   I just cannot throw my $1000 drone in the sky, KNOWING that I am TOTALLY on my own, even with DJI Care.  

NerdyGuy Posted at 2018-3-21 17:31
Trust me brother.  I have gone at it with DJI.   Don't EVEN bother with "Support"  if your new to DJI.   Know this.  Support does NOT EXIST with DJI... Your TRULY on your own...  After they sold the product to you, they have ZERO intention of offering ANY support.  
Get insurance from a third party... Check with your insurance carrier.  I hear State Farm will write policies for drone owners.   I haven't really looking into it, since I lost my Spark in September, I haven't really flow more than a day (TOTAL)... I just don't trust DJI.   So I have 2 birds in storage, just sitting there.  Not getting used.   DJI Support killed my mojo for DJI products.   I just cannot throw my $1000 drone in the sky, KNOWING that I am TOTALLY on my own, even with DJI Care.

Really, jeez sad to hear that and now I'm wondering if my Spark that is only two months old needs servicing of its camera given the stabilization issues I'm having when going side to side. I'm going to take a video and post it to the boards of when I'm filming in GPS mode going side to side and seeing the sudden stabilization issues that weren't there before.

I will say the DJI Administrators on this site forum are pretty good but undoubtedly are inundated with loads of requests themselves. I hope DJI gets better at customer service and support and I agree with you on my several calls to DJI Support the technical support representative needed to constantly put me on hold to get answers to simple questions?

NerdyGuy Posted at 2018-3-21 17:31
Trust me brother.  I have gone at it with DJI.   Don't EVEN bother with "Support"  if your new to DJI.   Know this.  Support does NOT EXIST with DJI... Your TRULY on your own...  After they sold the product to you, they have ZERO intention of offering ANY support.  
Get insurance from a third party... Check with your insurance carrier.  I hear State Farm will write policies for drone owners.   I haven't really looking into it, since I lost my Spark in September, I haven't really flow more than a day (TOTAL)... I just don't trust DJI.   So I have 2 birds in storage, just sitting there.  Not getting used.   DJI Support killed my mojo for DJI products.   I just cannot throw my $1000 drone in the sky, KNOWING that I am TOTALLY on my own, even with DJI Care.

Interesting and not good.
The only thing II know, is that my father had a good experience, he declared a technical issue (IMU error) and in less than 2 weeks he got a replacement, without DJI Care.
I have some more friends with DJI drones and so far nothing to declare.

In the other hand I have  some more of RC plains and helicopters (12g-12kg) and here anyway nobody is taking care except myself :-)