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Skyclean123
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Hi all..
I live in uk & goverment just announced plans to limit drone height to 400 ft and 1000 ft away from public etc..
Also have to pass a test to fly now & register all drones with goverment...
Has this happened in other countrys & has it made flying your drone harder..
Apparently theres a fine up to £1000 and/or 5 years in jail...
Bit drastic..never read it all but looking grim for drine users...

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It was on the BBC website this morning - all drones over 250 grams,  
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44293905
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Interesting link in that article:

"A police drone had a "near-miss" with a fighter jet travelling at 520mph (836km/h), a report has revealed.

The drone's operator "honestly believed" the two would collide in mid-air, according to the UK Airprox Board."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-44286754

Surely the police should know better with all the training they get!
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Hiya bleriot53 & nigel..
Hope you guys are well..
I did not even know pilice had drones,ya learn summit new every day..
Your right nigel,surely police could hear or ever see that jet flying at that alt & speed...
Iv got phantom 3 advance and not even sure of the weight

Ill google it...ha

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Nigel_ Posted at 2018-5-30 09:54
Interesting link in that article:

"A police drone had a "near-miss" with a fighter jet travelling at 520mph (836km/h), a report has revealed.


lol, I've always wondered why people refer to a close mid-air collision as a "near miss". If they didn't collide then is was just a miss. Shouldn't it be called "near hit" or "near collision".
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Chango Posted at 2018-5-30 11:11
lol, I've always wondered why people refer to a close mid-air collision as a "near miss". If they didn't collide then is was just a miss. Shouldn't it be called "near hit" or "near collision".

A close encounter of the worst kind  
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Skyclean123 Posted at 2018-5-30 10:34
Hiya bleriot53 & nigel..
Hope you guys are well..
I did not even know pilice had drones,ya learn summit new every day..

Your Phantom is well over 250 grams
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Hi chango
Hahahahaha
Good point bro...
Hahaha..

Hi bleriot53
Pmsl...your right...googled it and says its 1280 odd...
Man i just started this new hobby...so now i need to pass a test also...
Mate won't let you have no fun..thats the goverment for ya

Take care guys
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Skyclean123 Posted at 2018-5-30 10:34
Your right nigel,surely police could hear or ever see that jet flying at that alt & speed...

Not so easy to hear a plane coming when it is doing 70% of the speed of sound, and being a fairly small jet you can probably only see it 10 seconds away if you happen to be looking for a small dot in the distance, and given that the area is very hilly (Dartmoor) it was probably more like 4 seconds.

There is a military danger area just over the hill which should have shown up on their drone maps if they looked so they should have been prepared for low flying aircraft, I've seen low flying jets up there many times, however the rules keep them above 500ft, so flying below the 400ft limit is safe, and they do have terrain following equipment on board so will not be flying below 500ft, the police did not need to report it. I see the Police reported that the F15s were below "250-300ft".  The investigation decided that it was a sighting, not a near miss.

There was another report of fast flying military jets in the previous set of investigations, a DJI Phantom pilot reported 2 Tornados nearly hitting his drone that was flying at 230ft.   When the radar records were checked the Tornadoes were found to be at 2500ft!

I did not even know pilice had drones,ya learn summit new every day..

"He commented that over half of the 42 police forces are now deploying drones, and in his
constabulary they have been using drones for 2 years (with 34 police officers trained to use 12 drones, all of which are sub-7kgs).
On this day he was using a DJI Matrice, which weighs 6kgs and has four rotor arms."
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1000ft from people????
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Chango Posted at 2018-5-30 11:11
lol, I've always wondered why people refer to a close mid-air collision as a "near miss". If they didn't collide then is was just a miss. Shouldn't it be called "near hit" or "near collision".

Perhaps because it was a near the object but obviously missed it, its in the dictionary so must be right ;)

near miss

NOUN

  • a narrowly avoided collision or other accident.
    "she had a near miss when her horse was nearly sucked into a dyke" · "the terrifying near miss took place at 4,500 ft"




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Bashy Posted at 2018-5-30 20:09
1000ft from people????

Impossible to monitor.
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I have not seen anything in reference to staying 1000ft or 300m away from the public
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Bashy Posted at 2018-5-30 21:41
I have not seen anything in reference to staying 1000ft or 300m away from the public

http://dronesafe.uk/drone-code/

Page 4 gives guidelines.
But preventing random members of the public from wandering into what would effectively be an exclusion zone around your drone would be impossible for you to monitor.
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Yes, one of those catch-all laws that can be used to prosecute anyone they like. Probably includes people inside buildings.
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Blériot53 Posted at 2018-5-30 22:13
http://dronesafe.uk/drone-code/

Page 4 gives guidelines.

But thats always been known, and its only 150m not 300m (1000ft) as stated by th op
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We 'just' had better news in NL.
No new strict rules (they wait for the EU to implement new rules).
Lucky us.
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Drill lots of tiny holes to reduce weight, in the cockpit.

Or throw out the fat pilot. Grin


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Montfrooij Posted at 2018-5-30 23:11
We 'just' had better news in NL.
No new strict rules (they wait for the EU to implement new rules).
Lucky us.

Any houses for sale near you?
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RedHotPoker Posted at 2018-5-30 23:34
Drill lots of tiny holes to reduce weight, in the cockpit.

Or throw out the fat pilot. Grin

Make it gas-tight and fill it with helium  
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Geebax Posted at 2018-5-30 22:22
Yes, one of those catch-all laws that can be used to prosecute anyone they like. Probably includes people inside buildings.

For the actions of a lunatic minority, the authorities (and more so the press) are determined to turn us all into social pariahs.
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Blériot53 Posted at 2018-5-31 02:54
Any houses for sale near you?

Depends on your budget
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Montfrooij Posted at 2018-5-30 23:11
We 'just' had better news in NL.
No new strict rules (they wait for the EU to implement new rules).
Lucky us.

(they wait for the EU to implement new rules). - Lucky us.
Would you be sure of that? - when the time come they have decided some common rules for EU it just can't be good news.

Well let's see, after all the term civil disobedience exist for a reason...  

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KedDK Posted at 2018-5-31 03:44
(they wait for the EU to implement new rules). - Lucky us.
Would you be sure of that? - when the time come they have decided some common rules for EU it just can't be good news.

I have not checked all the details yet from the EU proposal, but the main parts look sort of similar to what we have now.
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KedDK Posted at 2018-5-31 03:44
(they wait for the EU to implement new rules). - Lucky us.
Would you be sure of that? - when the time come they have decided some common rules for EU it just can't be good news.

And the Dutch proposal was so strict, I would be sort of grounded.....
So yes: lucky us!
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KedDK Posted at 2018-5-31 03:44
(they wait for the EU to implement new rules). - Lucky us.
Would you be sure of that? - when the time come they have decided some common rules for EU it just can't be good news.

As the UK is likely to withdraw from the EU soon (damned BREXIT!!)  you might think that would give an advantage, but NO. The latest announced legislation for the UK will require the registration of ALL drones above just 250 grams in weight, and for users to pass an online safety exam:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44293905

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Montfrooij Posted at 2018-5-31 03:38
Depends on your budget

If I forego  my intended purchase of a Mavic Pro, would that cover it?  
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Blériot53 Posted at 2018-5-31 04:02
If I forego  my intended purchase of a Mavic Pro, would that cover it?

If it is one made of platinum maybe
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Blériot53 Posted at 2018-5-31 03:59
As the UK is likely to withdraw from the EU soon (damned BREXIT!!)  you might think that would give an advantage, but NO. The latest announced legislation for the UK will require the registration of ALL drones above just 250 grams in weight, and for users to pass an online safety exam:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44293905

"UK is likely to withdraw from the EU soon" - Yes i know, i just so much envy them this, i am sure many would take the same route if they got the possibility.

"latest announced legislation for the UK will require the registration of ALL drones above just 250 grams in weight, and for users to pass an online safety exam"
We have had the same since July last year but this only allow flying outside so called built-up areas. Not the big issue i think, theregistration is a one of and cost ~2€ and you receive a number you have to mark all your drones with, this online test is free.
For flying in other places you have to be "professional" and require you take a course that cost around 1.500€ for just the basic certificate.

Many of the rules i find ridiculous and as much other rules/laws can in many ways be a subject for interpretation witch i then do big time when it fit, just making sure no one would be brought in danger by doing it.

This link should lead to a short cartoon of the rules.

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Blériot53 Posted at 2018-5-31 02:56
Make it gas-tight and fill it with helium

No, I keep the helium for inhaling, while explaining myself to the authorities. ;-)


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RedHotPoker Posted at 2018-5-31 09:27
No, I keep the helium for inhaling, while explaining myself to the authorities. ;-)

Choose your words carefully when you squeak to me
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RedHotPoker Posted at 2018-5-31 09:27
No, I keep the helium for inhaling, while explaining myself to the authorities. ;-)

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Blériot53 Posted at 2018-5-31 09:41
Choose your words carefully when you squeak to me

You got it all bass ackwards.... haha

Try the sulphur hexaflouride... Chuckles

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Stand off at the OK Corral ?


Meet me in the Main Street at “High” noon? Hahaha



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Blériot53 Posted at 2018-5-31 03:59
As the UK is likely to withdraw from the EU soon (damned BREXIT!!)  you might think that would give an advantage, but NO. The latest announced legislation for the UK will require the registration of ALL drones above just 250 grams in weight, and for users to pass an online safety exam:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44293905

We are and still will be bound by the EU Air governing  body EASA as far as i am aware, even if we are not, we will still follow what they stipulate
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