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Sky Ninja Posted at 2015-5-29 04:47
So, are you saying the manual really wasn't meant for those of us in the US? Hmmmm...

Though I ge ...

In fairness... he's saying the manual was REQUIRED in some other countries that require a published maintenance schedule, and we benefit from it.

However the problem is that the manual doesn't really tell anyone how to do anything.  "Check screws for proper tightness" without an exploded diagram indicating WHICH screws should be checked, for instance, or a specification for what "proper tightness" means, isn't what I usually expect in a maintenance manual.  Finger tight?  Hand tight?  Tightened securely with a screwdriver?  Tightened to a specific foot-pound spec?  What is proper?  And where are all the screws in case we miss one?

And my pending question about replacement motors.  The maintenance manual makes it sound as though we can order them if we need them.  That would be terrific!  But how and where, and how about the instructions for installation?
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PeteGould Posted at 2015-5-29 03:38
Ed,

While I'm at it.  The maintenance manual has the following section on motors.  Two of the sect ...

Right now if based on the Maintenance Inspection parts need to be replaced then it would need to be sent to DJI.  That is no different than the situation now.  
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Sky Ninja Posted at 2015-5-29 04:47
So, are you saying the manual really wasn't meant for those of us in the US? Hmmmm...

Though I ge ...

No, it is not primarily meant for the US market but I have several commercial users that make the maintenance manual part of their scheduled inspections.  If maintenance is required they send it in for maintenance.  They do the inspection.
Ultimately it is the users responsibility to know and understand the capabilities and limitations of their craft.  I know mine and it takes time to learn each new craft as they are introduced.  I trust my Inspires, my P3P, my P2s and my S900.  I am sure there will be more as DJI expands their product lines.  With each introduction I need to learn a new flying platform.  DJI provides manuals, quick start guides, videos, hands on training courses, pretty much what ever a user wants to feel comfortable.
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Sky Ninja Posted at 2015-5-29 04:31
While I agree the unit looked in much better condition following the RMA/ESC when received, I do n ...

SN you said that you were not getting video out to your device.  I offer to help you with that issue if you desire my help.  The reason that they did not have you send the camera back was that the camera was a known quantity based on the previous service.  
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Farnk666 Posted at 2015-5-28 21:12
Well said folks - I hope that you get the result you are after SN! Stay safe and fly high!

Pete - I ...

Farnk666- Thanks for posting! Your support on the matter is appreciated.

I think the main point being made is that people are being asked to wait and be polite, while there is no reciprocation the opposite way. Change, via one article, may not bring transformation to the currently well needed revamping of DJI but, people in the field of journalism, blogging, etc do talk to higher ups on a constant basis. Perhaps, a warning to a new consumer base- this not your average Joe, run of the mill company, with the kind of customer service expected in America.

One issue that does scare me a bit more than I already appear to be (because I'm paranoid and not very nice, I guess...) is the fact that Ed mentioned a larger repair shop "...9x the size of the current facility..." He then goes on to say, "...the success of our products are causing delays..."
Wait? What?!!? Success is good, repair is bad.
They don't build them in LA, they fix them. Are there THAT many units being repaired?!!? This question along with, "...Our Customer Service Center handled 600 calls on Tuesady..." could easily be taken as a sign of serious safety issue with the product, in general.
A- Are they buying or renting the space?
B- Once the glut of the products are repaired, what happens to all of the employees and the facility?
C- Why not open the five 5 repair facilities listed on the website, to the repairing of Inspire units?

In centralizing the repair of the units, DJI, China can maintain all issues internally, adjust margins of error and keep all profit for themselves. It makes sense. It's the same business practices used in China with concerns to just about everything. Anything against big business and government is said to be forgotten. If you ever visit, go on a tour of Tiananmen Square, its truly beautiful country, on the outside. While there, ask about the famous incident and you will be told, "...It never happened and was complete US propaganda...do not ask again..." You think I'm joking? Try it. The armed men escorting us were not being as welcoming as one would expect. Won't be going back.

I think Pete is on to something, as the voice of the people can often times be heard more loudly with just a whisper, here in America. Other times, not. Either way, change will not come through silence it will instead breed speculation and assumptions, bring them to a boil.

Stay cool, sir!

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Tahoe_Ed Posted at 2015-5-29 05:16
SN you said that you were not getting video out to your device.  I offer to help you with that iss ...

Ed,
Much appreciated, sir. As stated though, the point is moot and this particular unit will be resolved in another method.

I do appreciate your many offers to help, but I stand on my request for a refund. Though I know you can not authorize this due to extenuating circumstances,  your concern is well noted and I am thankful for your kind offer to assist in the matter.

-S.N.
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Tahoe_Ed Posted at 2015-5-29 05:05
Right now if based on the Maintenance Inspection parts need to be replaced then it would need to b ...

That was my understanding - but that was precisely what I was saying was a problem.  What's the MTBF of an Inspire motor and the recommended replacement interval?  I know they don't last forever....
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Culture smulture.  I think the real issue is that posting an official notice that there is a potentially hazardous flaw in the aircraft would hurt sales.  So they're gambling that nobody get's killed and can prove it was due to negligence.  If they can patch it before anything bad happens then they don't hurt sales and they evade being caught up in a legal battle over responsibility for a fatality etc.  I like DJI's products, but one thing is becoming increasingly clear.  They care about sales above all else.  As long as they get the sales, I don't think they care much what happens after.  Otherwise they would've rapidly built up a huge customer service network and made real improvements immediately.  You can't tell me that a multi billion dollar company can't put together a world class service system overnight.  If you're going to force people to use your service center for all maintenance and repairs, then you better have the capacity to service every incoming unit in a respectable turn around time.  Nine weeks is not respectable, but a joke and a slap in the face to the customer base.
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3dflight Posted at 2015-5-29 06:44
Culture smulture.  I think the real issue is that posting an official notice that there is a potenti ...

3dflight- Thank you for saying it!

I believe we are all of the same mindset. To the point and spot on.

-S.N.
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Wow.  This weekend I had an incident with my I1.  I lost total control of my Inspire 5 minutes into a flight at 300 ft flying over a pond located on a large wooded preserve  located on  private property.  I haven't posted the details of the  incident yet since  I am currently editing the video and flight records together in hopes of discovering and sharing what happened.   I managed to reach DJI support and obtained an RMA number after three days of "large call volume".   I recovered the I1 to find the battery malfunctioning  (wouldn't turn off) and one of the landing leg's motor mounts melted and distorted where one of the CW motors attach to the landing leg\antenna.   I'm not sure if it happened in flight (which would explain the loss of lateral control mid flight)  or from overheating when the bird crash landed with the props not shutting down.   I thought that repairing the Inspire would be as easy as repairing a Phantom but soon found out you can't get those parts online and must send it to DJI for repair.   I was thinking about getting a refund from my CC since I bought the I1 direct from DJI as suggested on this thread   I own three Phantom's and have had my share of repairs,  but I feel like I can build a Phantom from scratch now.  Not so with an Inspire.  I guess I now have to decide weather to spend the 80 bucks to ship the carcass back to DJI and take my chances.  Or maybe sell it out for parts.  I'm leaning toward a  CC extended warranty refund at this point.    I still have a functioning Phantom 3 which is much easier to replace and repair, plus the video is nearly as good.  My mishap is described on my Blog
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msyn@carabelli. Posted at 2015-5-29 08:24
Wow.  This weekend I had an incident with my I1.  I lost total control of my Inspire 5 minutes into  ...

msyn- Welcome!

Very sorry to hear the news. It is a seriously a bad feeling. For a person who has never experienced this issue, they have no idea how many things race through the mind, it sucks. I certainly would not wish it on any operator. I know exactly how it feels to watch a unit go down uncontrollably. It is a 'pit of the stomach' sort of queasy.

As well, recieved the "large call volume" messages on several attempts. Within this thread, my story has been posted, I have no need to rehash the details.

BTW- How long have you had your I-1, if I may ask?

If you don't mind, I'd like to offer some of the items you can expect IF returning your unit to LA.-

1. Call the service center back and ask for the RMA to supply a shipping return tag. It has been explained to me on several occasions, by several reps, that though the option is not initially offered, it is available, if requested. Insist on it.
2. When sending your Inspire for repair, be prepared for an approximate return time of 8-10 weeks, door to door. Once the unit is back, make an extremely detailed check of the unit, prior to any attempt of flight. Camera, prop/motor alignment, air frame alignment, etc, etc...
3. You will find that DJI does not offer/honor refunds for Inspire units. With consideration to age (reason for asking how long you've had it) and use, they instead (as can been seen in the above posts) offer a "refurbished" unit to replace the original. NOTE: ***See Tahoe-Eds description a few posts up*** If it hasn't been repaired yet, expect to have the unit returned for repair and join the ranks of the many, in their anguished wait for the return of their beloved "flying thingy". (Yes, its a joke. I know they are actually called....wait....what was the question?)
4. In my opinion, the CC is about the only form of real consumer protection available when it comes to these matters. For instance, AmEx works like PFM.

Sorry to hear about the crash and burn. My hopes are that you are either back in the air soon or replacing yours funds. Either way, thanks for posting. Please keep me and the rest of the forum updated on your situation.

I'll read your BLOG, thanks for the invite.

-S.N.
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"A- Are they buying or renting the space?
B- Once the glut of the products are repaired, what happens to all of the employees and the facility?"

No offense meant, but SN, what  business is that of yours?  
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Sky Ninja Posted at 2015-5-29 09:07
msyn- Welcome!

Very sorry to hear the news. It is a seriously a bad feeling. For a person who has  ...

You are kind.  I was a little afraid to post since there are some who start hurling insults right away...
Ive had the bird since February -  Ship (P/U) date : Sat 2/28/2015 4:29 pm.  I think there is a 90 day limit on an incident filing for the CC so I may have to act fast.   I have  15 flights  recorded on the Inspire and over 100 on Phantoms but every time I experience a new problem in the air.  Feels like the first time flying.  Indeed that feeling of control loss is undescribeable.   
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I expect my repaired & passed all tests I1 back on Tuesday next.   Can't wait.
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pops52 Posted at 2015-5-29 19:39
"A- Are they buying or renting the space?
B- Once the glut of the products are repaired, what happen ...

pops52- Actually, I'm glad you asked. There is no offense taken as I saw none implied.

My mindset, when posing the questions-
The questions posed are more rhetorical in nature than actually asking Tahoe-Ed to provide the information. He offered insight into DJIs operations and I found it interesting, considering his previous post mentioned we, as the consumer, from DJIs perspective, are on a “…need to know basis…”.  Why bring it up on a thread, only to have been seen by a few? Why not announce it to the entire forum? Some may find the idea great and the news as positive, while others may find the news somewhat troublesome. We, as purchasers of a DJI product have basically made a decent investment into the company and as such, like to know what is happening for future reference of how or if, our investment will be repaired and/or handled accordingly, when the need arises. You buy a Ferrari, you tend to follow Ferrari trends a bit more…

As Pete pointed out, we all know these parts, especially the motors, have a limited time of use. In being a responsible operator, he asked a very good question which was, “How much time do these perishable items have and where do I get the parts when needed?” The only answer offered was, “it’ll have to be sent in.” As can be seen in his post, the information given by DJI on the rather important subject matter, is limited at best, and Pete was never offered a definitive answer.

The only information provided by the company is basically, “you’ll need to send it to LA when it needs a motor.” The operator of the Inspire has no accurate information or way of identifying ware or if the motor/ESC needs replacing. Ok, so how do you know exactly when a motor needs replacing? Is it amount of usage, say 100 hours? Does the app tell you? No. Does the motor hum or sound differently? Maybe. Or does the Inspire’s motor cease to operate in mid flight, exposing a dangerous situation to those on the ground? Hopefully, not.
Anyone who has worked around electric motors this small knows, they can be somewhat sensitive and/or temperamental, and have been known to fail with or/without warning.
That American Muscle avatar of yours, will offer a sign of ware via visuals and sound, for instance; smoke, knocking, etc. The car engine can be rebuilt by its owner, if he/she wishes to do so, as parts are available. If it does fail, it simply rolls to a stop…on the ground. If an Inspires motor fails, it only stops…when it hits the ground.

The reason for asking both questions was from the standpoint of, why would such a large facility be required for repairing the Inspire & P3? If indeed this move was made out of necessity to continue repairs, it brings to mind, how many of these two DJI product failing? How safe is the product? In keeping it centralized, the information will not be released unless required by law. Though it’s a small pocket in the whole of the economy and customer base, at the rate the issue(s) seems to be escalating, it warrants looking into.

A- If the facility is being rented, it would indicate it is a temporary situation. At 10 Billion a year, as so publicly and openly shared, one would think such a facility could possibly be building and repairing their product, while establishing a more permanent HQ in North America. This news could prove interesting, to say the least.
Keep in mind, there are 4 (5, if you count LA) locations currently authorized facilities and were previously reported by DJI, to be authorized repair facilities for the Inspire and Phantom series. These facilities (now indendtified as ONLY for Phantom series can be found on the DJI website) show repair sites in BC, FL, NY, NV and CA. The locations indicate a network of repair facilities and offers the idea that, depending on your location, east, west coast or Canadian border, they were to be available in expediting matters of repair. After the sales of the item, this has is still not the case. (kind of like all of the video showing all of the ‘features offered’ thing, only with this time, with locations)

B- When the glut of repairs is completed, do all of the newly hired employees get laid off? If they are permanent, this would show a true, (not inflated) form of growth within the company. Since the release of the Inspire and P3, the repair facility has been forced to hire more personnel and gain the use of a considerably larger facility. With all of the design fixes and firmware bugs behind them, wouldn't you think, by now, it would be a safer unit to fly? How are large, daily quantities of repairs being sent to one facility, considered "success"? By obtaining a larger repair facility and hiring more to staff it, does not show company growth from "...success...", instead, it implies a hefty number of units being repaired and an even larger number of future repairs, is expected. So, where does the "success" part fit in?  Why not utilize the qualified and contracted repair facilities already in existence to help with the current overload? In my opinion, someone way above Tahoe_Eds pay grade has confused the word "sales" with the definition of "success".

Hope this helps to clarify and thanks for asking.

Humbly,

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msyn@carabelli. Posted at 2015-5-29 22:16
You are kind.  I was a little afraid to post since there are some who start hurling insults right  ...

msyn- Thank you, sir. You are kind for saying so. You should never be afraid to post to a forum for fear of unwarranted persecution by ego bloated, self loving and most times, miserable persons due to their own short comings, type of people.

I felt much the same way, with concerns to posting on this forum. I have been pleasantly surprised though. Every forum has their versions of the above mentioned personalities, but I can say, without doubt, I have  had the honor to met and convey messages with some of the most informative and understanding persons a forum could offer. Most on here are looking for answers like you and I, while the more professional minded offer informative product knowledge. I enjoy reading their posts. Positive influence provides for positive outcome and seems to be the main goal of most on this forum.

I won't lie and say there hasn't been one or two that tried to ruffle my feathers. They were dealt with and we all moved on.

As to your situation, you really were walking a tight rope where time was a concern. Did you decide to return or repair? I hope you did what you felt best for you. Please let us know.

-S.N.
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Michael- I mean this from the bottom of my humorous heart- You are a little freak!

Stay who you are,

-S.N.
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markwiss.hotmai Posted at 2015-5-31 03:29
I expect my repaired & passed all tests I1 back on Tuesday next.   Can't wait.

markwiss@hotmail.com- Positive thoughts, always good to see! By the way, what happened, if you don't mind the inquiry?

I hope you get exactly what you expect, sir. Please remember, CHECK EVERYTHING prior to flight tests.

You'll be in the air, flying in no time flat!

Thanks for posting and keep us up to date good or bad, hopefully good.

-S.N.
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Sky Ninja Posted at 2015-5-31 21:55
markwiss@hotmail.com- Positive thoughts, always good to see! By the way, what happened, if you don' ...

I'm so so sorry we all have had this bitter taste.

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FlyGirl- You have no idea, my dear...
Bitter is a taste often offered in nature by something that either isn't ripe and ready for consumption, is past it's expiration point, and in some cases, is even poisonous thus, bad for us. In this instance, the DJI Inspire is the culmination and result of all three. BEWARE those bearing the guise of goodness.

Thank you for your thoughts,
Humbly,
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