I think it not fake!

jnorthcott Posted at 2015-5-28 09:32
Seriously you people need to read. What does it say at the top of the second page "Exemption requi ...

I still say the exemption is talking specifically about urban areas and also only to stay 150 metres from them.

BUILT UP is way way way too vague a term and open to interpretation.

Why would they spend three pages being very specific about keeping 150 metres from anything to then just contradict it in the fine print at the end?

And where the Hell are these crowds and fireworks coming from if not from a "BUILT UP" area?   

I think you're reading something into it that just isn't there.

jimhare Posted at 2015-5-28 09:28
And you are 100% convinced BUILT UP doesn't refer to an urban center?

I think many would interpret ...

Jim, I've done my research. If you don't believe me contact TC yourself.

jnorthcott Posted at 2015-5-28 09:47
Jim, I've done my research. If you don't believe me contact TC yourself.

Since I'm in Australia I'll focus on the laws here.  I'm sure if I kept calling them for clarification they would eventually talk themselves into a corner and say there actually are no legal places to fly anywhere.

So I'll stick to their guidelines until they say something more specific.  

jimhare Posted at 2015-5-28 09:50
Since I'm in Australia I'll focus on the laws here.  I'm sure if I kept calling them for clarifica ...

Terminology: Built-up Area

Built-up Area – As it relates the the Transport Canada UAV SFOC process, are considered areas with groups of buildings or dwellings including anything from small hamlets to major cities. Anything larger than a farmstead should be considered a built up area.

As defined in Advisory Circular (AC) No. 600-004

Define Hamlet: a small village

Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hamlet

If you're a hobbyist, stay in the RC Parks

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilavi ... .mc_id=1zfhj#safety

jnorthcott Posted at 2015-5-28 09:55
Terminology: Built-up Area

Built-up Area – As it relates the the Transport Canada UAV SFOC proc ...

In other words, if you're in Canada don't buy a drone!   

jnorthcott Posted at 2015-5-28 09:47
Jim, I've done my research. If you don't believe me contact TC yourself.

jnorthcott or whatever your name is, I'm not refuting your TC knowledge nor am I condoning where I was flying. The fact is whether I files a flight plan with TC or flew at a flight park (which I must say that the flight parks that I've flown at all have houses, highways, or golf courses near by except for Kamikaze Poco. What I'm saying is that even at those flight parks, this would have happened. You with 2 Inspire's should be very interested and concerned instead of uttering threats and bad mouthing people you don't even know.  As i said, I will  welcome Transport Canada in the one purpose of making sure this doesn't happen to others regardless of where you fly.  Why does it even matter that you know lots of people in Vancouver? So do I, what does that have to do with the price of butter? I do still ask, you've never started up your Inspire maybe at a field or your backyard without lifting off  without filing a flight plan? Not trying to be smart, just wondering how far it goes.

PeteGould Posted at 2015-5-28 06:22
So let's see if I understand you correctly.

An individual with lots of prior experience with UAS a ...

"psychokinetic control"????  OH I love that!!! A new way to control the Inspire. Thats it Pete, thats what he had!!!

SAFAERIALS Posted at 2015-5-28 09:36
I think it fake!

OK, this is really entertaining and exhausting. Why would this be fake? It's not like a UFO, crop circles or the lochness monster. It's a UAV that lost all signal climbed super high and then came flying down. I will record the flight log and post it. It logs the exact flight as you see up until just after 4 min it says thats the end of the flight even though its at the height of 44ft and the landing gear is still up.I do not have the money nor time to try and make this fake. I really wish I could. I have nothing against DJI as this is my first product with them, I cannot comment on their customer service as of yet as the process has just begun so heron lies the question: Why would anyone want to fake this? Anyways, if you want to think its fake, so be it, maybe  I should feel a little flattered then. Cheers

Ph02on Posted at 2015-5-28 03:30
And just who are you Jnorthcott?  You have just registered with this forum and your maide ...

Appears to be a troll.

jnorthcott Posted at 2015-5-28 08:59
He is in a populated area. That is the violation!

Hi nothcott AKA Mr Angry !

mate, I would like to hope that forums like this remain as a place of sharing info and learning from mistakes made as DJI do not seem too quick to offer us too many of the answers that we are looking for. Your high and mighty approach is probably not going to work.

So you have your clearance for your flight in an "urban area" and the inspire then does the old fly away and crashes 10 miles away back in an "urban area" - your clearance is worth shit mate!

The big issue is not the clearance but finding out why these events are randomly happening and seemingly increasing in number.

Good luck with it all Mr Chow.

ps. Time for your meds Mr Angry.

howie121218@gma Posted at 2015-5-28 04:53
I took closer to watch your video, I kind confused that your bird inverted fly, it's more like somet ...

Yes they are upside down in that frame

chowtime Posted at 2015-5-28 10:17
jnorthcott or whatever your name is, I'm not refuting your TC knowledge nor am I condoning where I ...

Brian, You flew and others have flown their quads in areas that under TC's exemption would be a violation regardless of hobbyist or commercial. Have I ever flown in a public park or any area where there were homes, a school or people walking by, Absolutely Not! When I have, I have done so with the approval of Transport Canada by getting an SFOC. I have a team of 3 people who ensure all the safety precautions are in place should there be an accident. It's call CYA - Cover Your Ass.

Did you experience a failure, yes. Would the failure have happened even with an SFOC, yes, but then you would have been prepared to deal with the situation. I didn't hear any warning coming from you on the video. All I hear was no, no, no! Seriously what if a person was walking in the area of the crash and got hit! You'd be dealing with more than just a busted drone. And even under the exemption and flying as a hobbyist, you are required to contact TC to inform them of the accident. I'll assume you didn't. The other thing and most wouldn't even consider it, but you'd be surprised at how many small planes and helicopters are flying around. I do a lot of work on farmlands and I have been granted SFOC's to fly around small airports because some farmland is adjacent to a small airports. One thing you may not know is for that you need a VHF Transceiver, a RadioTelephone Operators Certificate issued by Industry Canada  and to file a Notam, notice to airmen informing pilots of the work in the area.

I'll concede that there was no way for you to know of the impending failure, but it's how you presented it. Yes, it's an ongoing issue for the Inspire 1. but a simple clip of the flip would suffice. Save the rest for DJI when you put a claim in and good luck with that.

Believe me when I say I have nothing personally against you. I am simply fed up with people making assumptions that you can simply fly anywhere you want. Regarding RC Parks, yes some are close to homes, yes some are close to highways, but all fall within the requirements for safe distances. All expect membership, some expect to see third party liability insurance and if not, then your membership covers it. You won't have bystanders viewing in close proximity to what you are doing.

As for TC, regulations are coming and when they do, they are looking if the UAV is "Complaint" and will require Licensing of Operators. I have a document indicating changes to CARs - Canadian Aviation Regulations. Everybody asks why don't they just regulate it. Well, it costs a lot of money to change CARs, plus right now, there is a one size fits all process and until they understand all the elements, they issue an exemption. Why?, so they Limit Liability to the Transport Minister. You go and kill someone, TC's hands are clean.

Good Luck with DJI, but better luck with TC. Is it all worth it if TC deems your YouTube video commercial. That's up to $25,000 in Fines. Personally, I would call them before they call you.

jnorthcott Posted at 2015-5-28 06:44
It's about violating the rules and if the person has lots of experience it doesn't  ...

Ok, perhaps there is some fact in what you say about restrictions. So what! Unless you can say to us that you are without sin. Go farc yourself! The real fact is this... the next time Air Canada flies over your house, ask yourself if there is a remote possibility of the flight landing on your lot. Don't say it doesn't happen, because it does. When I was a kid I watched a commercial flight overshoot a runway in Sacramento and take out a McDonalds and an apartment building killed a shitload of people and caused a huge fire!. Don't think a 3 kg UAV is gonna do that! You have a better chance being struck by a branch in a windstorm than a UAV.   
So really the only thing you should be saying is... " this could have ended badly ".
But fortunately it didn't.
Finally I would like to add that there always is a very real likelihood that a machine will break, usually when you least expect it. With this knowledge each of us much except the responsibility for our aircraft the moment it is energized, regardless of it being airborn or just on the kitchen table.
If you contact the authorities about this, you are a small person, I wouldn't tell people that you are doing it because it makes you look like an asshole.

chowtime Posted at 2015-5-28 10:17
jnorthcott or whatever your name is, I'm not refuting your TC knowledge nor am I condoning where I ...

Chowtime , the guy is just looking for confrontation. One of these SFOC professional UAV pilots wacked a 15,000 dollar octacopter off some guys car in Vancouver two years ago on a shoot, and now my cousin, who is a director, and their company aren't allowed to use UAV's for filming anymore. So what good does accreditation do when someone or something goes wrong? Nuthin bro. Just paperwork and money, all a smoke show.
The only truth to what this person is saying is, they really shouldn't be flown over people, just in case. Other than that ... whatever Im sure Transport Canada has better things to do with their time than to listen to this guy. They hear this crap every day from guys just like this. And women, saying... that drone was just filming me.. they probably want to use the footage for porn! Meanwhile the woman looks like a wookie.

jnorthcott Posted at 2015-5-28 03:13
Irresponsible,  Dangerous and outright Stupid,

It never ceases to amaze me, how stupid people are.  ...

Besides the " stupid" part - good point; - theres another post of a user showing off how he flies close to trains - saving faa some time

You're better off not posting to the world how stupid you are. Actually people are that stupid. Go to flytrex.com and see for yourself how many stupid people are actually posting their addresses. Pure joy for Transport Canada Enforcement. Now they don't have to get emails from a guy like me to catch you.

I didn't know that Bob had a relative in Canada!
Do you know anything about batteries?

jnorthcott Posted at 2015-5-28 11:02
Brian, You flew and others have flown their quads in areas that under TC's exemption would be a vi ...

Seriously? Your 3 people on the ground are going to be able to do something about a fly away UAV? BS! The only thing you can do is call the authorities and let them know you have lost an aircraft and give an approximation of direction and remaining time of flight in order to determine possible distance it may cover. Also ,smarty pants, you would literally need to be greater than 22 miles away from a "BUILT UP AREA" to ensure the safety of everyone as that is the approximate range of these UAV's . Are your ground guys gonna be able to yell HEADS UP! for 20 miles? At 50 miles an hour in a random direction? At an altitude that renders the aircraft invisible to the naked eye? NOT A CHANCE! Your document says you have a safety plan in place which for the most part is no better than anyone else's  for the stated reasons. Sure you aren't supposed to fly over people... common sense. But what if you lose control of the aircraft? Kill switch? oh yeah but that failed. Oh dear what now? By the time you react your aircraft has embedded itself into an old lady walking her dog half a KM away!

chowtime Posted at 2015-5-28 04:41
Give me a break jnorthcott. No I am not stupid, in fact I do nothing to hide my identity. What kin ...

Seems like my replies are not posting or being deleted, but, jnorthcott does have a point, maybe you should direct this directly at DJI and not post it for the whole world to see

jnorthcott Posted at 2015-5-28 11:02
Brian, You flew and others have flown their quads in areas that under TC's exemption would be a vi ...

jnorthcott, I put the whole clip up instead of just the flip to make sure that people saw there is no edit. No smoke and mirrors. I added titles and music just to make almost 7 min go by a little more interesting. So if you have 3 people with you and the UAV goes rogue, your 3 people can save any property damage or personal injury wherever they are? Once again, I'm not saying that I'm against the rules, I'm just saying, if you have a flyaway, in some instances, there is no shouting or radioing you can do to stop it. Yes  you can plan for an exit but at the end of the day, you have no control of something that is out of control. You talk about flying within aircraft airspace - the Inspire was at 44ft when it went rogue. Any drone that flys away has the ability to go into aircraft airspace regardless how many people you have helping you, or the amount of VHF radios you have.

jnorthcott Posted at 2015-5-28 08:59
He is in a f****** populated area. That is the violation you f****** idiot!

Well, j., here's the deal.  You could have stopped in here and potentially delivered some useful information.  Instead, you introduced yourself by calling people stupid, or effing idiots, or whatever.  Rather than proving your point, whatever it was, what you proved instead is that if TC institutes a psychological prerequisite for UAS operation, you will instantly be grounded.

My suggestion is that you withdraw from this group, do some deep introspection, perhaps get some therapy to deal with your anger issues, and reapply under a different name when you are prepared to engage as an adult instead of as an angry adolescent child.  Should you continue here under your present circumstances it will most likely be be as the object of well-earned derision by the majority.  If that is the role you want - as a tantrumming, foot-stamping child - feel free to remain.  It's a free country.

jnorthcott Posted at 2015-5-28 08:59
He is in a populated area. That is the violation!

There is only one person here that fits that description and its clearly you sir. Your aggression is unhelpful and unwelcome.

flydronefly Posted at 2015-5-28 11:38
maybe you should direct this directly at DJI and not post it for the whole world to see

I think there was a public service aspect to posting it.  Many people are in "it won't happen to me" mode about this stuff.  Seeing it firsthand may cause more owners to behave more cautiously.  The public viewing may also put more pressure on DJI to communicate and to put more emphasis on fixes ASAP.  Neither is a bad thing.

dbeck@promobox. Posted at 2015-5-28 10:18
"psychokinetic control"????  OH I love that!!! A new way to control the Inspire. Thats it Pete, th ...

Unfortunately DJI is only making psychokinetic control available for the P3.  Inspire users will have to await the SDK and the work of third-party sorcerers.

chowtime Posted at 2015-5-28 11:40
jnorthcott, I put the whole clip up instead of just the flip to make sure that people saw there is ...

You know, I was going to ease off but now screw it. You know why I have a team of 3 people? It's limiting my liability. If I have an accident and I injure someone or damage property and i get sued, the judge will review what I did to mitigate the risk.  Did one of my staff administer first aid saving someone's life. Yes, did my site manager use the fire extinguisher to put out a fire that started in a hay bail when my uav smashed through the barn roof, yes. Did I attempt to warn people of an impending crash or did I stand there with a thumb up my ass.  as for my insurance company, it's not the $100k minimum TC wants. It's 5 million because bet your asses if there is an accident, again before they pay out they want to know what I did to mitigate the risk. Now for the Lawyer, he has his work cut out for him, but he's worth his weight in gold. He can make an argument. Nothing is foolproof, but let's say my unit goes rogue and damages property. Guess who I'm suing. For Dangair, so a hundred years ago a plane crashed into a mcd's. So what. Remember Air Transat glided onto a runway in the Azores. Better yet, the Gimley Glider. That's called well, trained pilots! We've got a bunch of fat, overpaid morons who got outsized from their last job thinking  and pissed away the better part of their severance package thinking great, I'll buy a drone. No knowledge and no skill now times that by the amount DJI sold. Forget about the inspire 1 failure rate. That's nothing compared to pilot error. I'm not saying this is the case with Brian, but there are so many dumbasses, blaming crashes on DJI and not admitting it's pilot error. Maybe because they are inadequate or their wife makes them feel that way!  Go back to school, grade 11 and relearn physics, or Google it, if you know how.

I know I'm making a lot of friends here, but if you want to fly the way you are, go ahead. It will only be a matter of before something really goes wrong.  Don't worry, I'll just open another. You won't know when I'm viewing your next masterpiece.

For the Aussie that called me Mr. Angry.  I don't get angry, just evening the playing field! G'day Mates.

flydronefly Posted at 2015-5-28 11:38
Seems like my replies are not posting or being deleted, but, jnorthcott does have a point, maybe y ...

Whats wrong with sharing a horrible experience with the Inspire 1. We have communicated our concerns to DJI but they have yet to show that they really care about this matter, maybe if some one from DJI watches this video they might rush into finding a solution to this problem. He's not the first one and he wont be the last one. It doesn't matter how far you are away from people, the inspire 1 has the capacity to travel at a very high speed and in 16 min it can reach a populated area. There is no way to control a bird that completely loses control.  I am glad he posted this video. This is the reality of what many of us are experiencing. NO OTHER WAY TO PUT IT..... video is just better than words! DJI PLEASE COME UP WITH A SOLUTION!!!!! Many people including me want to use this as a tool to bring income, having issues like this makes it hard to go out there with confidence to get the job done.  

PeteGould Posted at 2015-5-28 12:06
Well, j., here's the deal.  You could have stopped in here and potentially delivered some useful in ...

Well you seem to want to banter. How many hours has gone by since your last message and you mustered the strength to come right back. I'll be here but you just never know really who I am. Don't worry Pete. Would you like me to tell you what you can do with that mike?

jnorthcott Posted at 2015-5-28 12:54
Don't worry Pete. Would you like me to tell you what you can do with that mike?

I suspect your recommendation would bear little resemblance to what I do with it every day.

Jnorthcott meet Mr. Bob Marley.
Every little thing will be alright.

jnorthcott Posted at 2015-5-28 12:47
You know, I was going to ease off but now screw it. You know why I have a team of 3 people? It's l ...

Holy smokes. I was asking a question. Here's the thing. Perhaps people don't know the exact rules from TC or FAA etc, there will be many, think about all the Phantoms sold at Best Buy etc. Perhaps some people interpret the rules and laws differently because they're new to it and come to these forums to learn. Wouldn't it be better for everyone's education if instead of coming out with your guns a blazing on your first post and calling myself and others names and educate others without unprovoked profanity so we can all be the wiser? Perhaps you could walk us through the process of filing with Transport Canada. Just saying.

To Coventry with you mate - you have nothing to add to this community and you certainly have no respect coming or deserved.
We have had individuals like you here before - they are gone now and you will soon follow.

Hey Chowtime, just ignore him - if he is as busy as he states with a commercial UAV business then perhaps his time is best spent elsewhere.
Not that I would ever deal with a person with such a poor grasp of manners and common courtesy.

I hope that there is some useful data extracted from the bird that can indicate the failure point and we all gain a bit of benefit from your traumatic experience.
Best wishes and I hope you are up and flying again soon.

Wow... sorry for your loss chowtime, and is it me or did the thread turn into a flame war?

3dflight Posted at 2015-5-28 04:21
Listen at the end when it's coming in for "hard landing" you can hear it buzzing.  It was still un ...

Well ... Yes ... As the air passes through the blades this will cause them to spinn.
So ... I still think I am right ;)

'Quote'

"Would you like me to tell you what you can do with that mike?"

It's 'Mic', Mike is a mans name. How could you be such an IDIOT?

'Quote'

"And women, saying... that drone was just filming me.. they probably want to use the footage for porn! Meanwhile the woman looks like a wookie."

That's the funniest thing I've read all week

Observations from this thread:

Pete Gould... has a superb and eloquent written delivery, Bravo sir.

Dangair... cracks me up, thank you for the smile .

jnorthcott... is a xxxx, please go away.

Brian Chow... thank you for sharing, I don't mind admitting, this stuff scares the shit out'a me!

w1der Posted at 2015-5-28 15:19
Well ... Yes ... As the air passes through the blades this will cause them to spinn.
So ... I stil ...

Indeed, I was carrying my I1 by a carbon arm (so at 90 degrees to the ground), walking across a field in a brisk-ish wind, that was enough to spin up the props and make quite a noise, it also must have generated some power, because the inspire made some beeping noises! (it was switched off)

howie121218@gma Posted at 2015-5-28 04:53
I took closer to watch your video, I kind confused that your bird inverted fly, it's more like somet ...

Agree. bird def not upside down.

jimhare Posted at 2015-5-28 09:50
Since I'm in Australia I'll focus on the laws here.  I'm sure if I kept calling them for clarifica ...

Although I have no regulations in my area....that's what I follow.
It just makes sense for me.