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KennyB
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All...just stumbled across this the other day. I had seen drone parachute systems before but what is cool about this one is the size and the price. I think it is very affordable and looks like a great solution.

https://parazero.com/

They recently developed a version for smaller drones (supposed to retail for a little more than $300.
https://parazero.com/2018/09/30/parazero-announces-the-first-ever-faa-waiver-for-flight-over-people-with-a-parachute-system/


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ALABAMA
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Looks like it would interfere with  gps reception.
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Mark The Droner
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There have been various models of these over the years.  One of the problems is they sometimes will open when they shouldn't.  

The other problem is - DJI aircraft are really super reliable and air-worthy provided the pilot knows what he's doing.

I'll pass.

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little expensive ... i ll try fly safe instead
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ALABAMA Posted at 2018-10-31 06:56
Looks like it would interfere with  gps reception.

They say it doesn't interfere with the GPS...I thought the same thing when I first saw it.
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Mark The Droner Posted at 2018-10-31 08:02
There have been various models of these over the years.  One of the problems is they sometimes will open when they shouldn't.  I'll pass.

I hadn't heard that. Granted that doesn't mean it isn't true. This is the first one I have seen by this manufacturer. Previously they made them for the Mattrice and other larger drones...that would make me think they have had some practice doing these and have less issues...that doesn't mean it is true.

I would only consider using one of these for applications when I was going to be flying over people...really no need otherwise...not in my opinion anyway.
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Also, there is the issue of how to trigger them in an emergency. I have never seen a plausible answer to this, by the time you realise the aircraft is in trouble and try to trigger the parachute, it will be buried in the ground. And you also need to stop the props before it is triggered otherwise the props will tangle up the parachute lines.
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KennyB Posted at 2018-10-31 10:01
I hadn't heard that. Granted that doesn't mean it isn't true. This is the first one I have seen by this manufacturer. Previously they made them for the Mattrice and other larger drones...that would make me think they have had some practice doing these and have less issues...that doesn't mean it is true.

I would only consider using one of these for applications when I was going to be flying over people...really no need otherwise...not in my opinion anyway.

It would be interesting to see their demonstration video of one in operation on a P4, but I can't see any links to such.

The Matrice 200 sollution costs $2,500 :-(

And the FAA waiver is to ''fly drones over people with a parachute system'' not just to ''fly over people'', their choice of wording sounds almost too specific.
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This shows the mattrice in action and the units for the phantom and mavic
https://youtu.be/hUzPYyV8who
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B&H is taking preorders for about $350.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1416005-REG/parazero_pz_sa_2_parazeros_smart_autonomous_recovery.html?ap=y&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIp7imqImy3gIVDVgNCh0mmwrbEAsYASABEgJJ3PD_BwE&smp=y
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I really like this idea but the price is quite off. Will wait for it to be cheaper.
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Aardvark Posted at 2018-10-31 15:58
It would be interesting to see their demonstration video of one in operation on a P4, but I can't see any links to such.

The Matrice 200 sollution costs $2,500 :-(

Ya dont see many people walking about with a parachute on, in every day life
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GPS interference ?  Tangled lines ?  Weight ?  Aerodynamics ?
I don't think I would bother !
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Manxmann Posted at 11-1 00:32
GPS interference ?  Tangled lines ?  Weight ?  Aerodynamics ?
I don't think I would bother !

Take a minute and watch the vids.

Testing shows no GPS Interference   ( Note, there is a plastic cover OVER the GPS unit )

Weight:  100 grms  or 3.57oz
Aerodynamics:  No one is racing these things......in the comercial side anyway.

Auto Deploy as a fall starts, and auto Motor stop designed in......  It's not for everyone, nor is it meant to be.  But if you want a waiver to over fly a parade, or other event.....then you'll need one.

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rwynant V1 Posted at 11-1 14:54
Take a minute and watch the vids.

Testing shows no GPS Interference   ( Note, there is a plastic cover OVER the GPS unit )

"But if you want a waiver to over fly a parade, or other event.....then you'll need one."

That's the sales pitch they're using. But as I said they are quite specific the first 'waiver for a drone carrying a parachute to fly over people' was issued. Is there any current restriction in Federal Aviation Authority regulations that prohibits USA drone pilots from flying over people ?
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Bashy Posted at 10-31 21:05
Ya dont see many people walking about with a parachute on, in every day life

Are you kidding?  Every time I get on a plane, I'm carrying a full back pack.  Yeah, that's right.  I did jump school at 22.

Sure I get some stares.  But who's gonna be laffin' when the plane is screaming towards the surface from thirty thousand feet at mach 2 and I'm already belted in at the emergency exit.  

Coincidence?  I think not.  

I mean, seriously, why take chances?  I know it's gonna happen some day.  And when it does, I'll be ready.  

And just before I leap out, I'll turn to everybody in the aft compartment.  And I'll smile.  
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I did say ya dont see many, in every day life, and, i wasnt referring to the mirror ;) plus, i've never seen one, no kidding either, ive led a sheltered life lol
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Mark The Droner Posted at 11-1 15:53
Are you kidding?  Every time I get on a plane, I'm carrying a full back pack.  Yeah, that's right.  I did jump school at 22.

Sure I get some stares.  But who's gonna be laffin' when the plane is screaming towards the surface from thirty thousand feet at mach 2 and I'm already belted in at the emergency exit.  

How do you turn around in an aircraft toilet? Or sit down?
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rwynant V1 Posted at 11-1 14:54
Take a minute and watch the vids.

Testing shows no GPS Interference   ( Note, there is a plastic cover OVER the GPS unit )

I hadn't realized you could get a waiver for overflying.  
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Manxmann Posted at 11-2 01:05
I hadn't realized you could get a waiver for overflying.

You can with a drone parachute or so they claim.
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Aardvark Posted at 11-1 15:01
"But if you want a waiver to over fly a parade, or other event.....then you'll need one."

That's the sales pitch they're using. But as I said they are quite specific the first 'waiver for a drone carrying a parachute to fly over people' was issued. Is there any current restriction in Federal Aviation Authority regulations that prohibits USA drone pilots from flying over people ?

There are rules, for ... 107 commercial pilots...no flying over people, crowds or events...which this would solve.
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KennyB Posted at 11-2 11:39
There are rules, for ... 107 commercial pilots...no flying over people, crowds or events...which this would solve.

Could you apply for, and be granted, a waiver as a 107 pilot to overfly people without one of these parachutes attached ?

I understand your point, and obviously the desire to operate safely. The bit I'm not convinced about is that they seem to suggest you will not get a waiver to fly over crowds at present. And that having one of these will somehow guarantee that privilege. Or at least that's my perception based on their advertising.

Either way the aircraft will land, slower with the chute hopefully :-)

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Mark The Droner Posted at 11-1 15:53
Are you kidding?  Every time I get on a plane, I'm carrying a full back pack.  Yeah, that's right.  I did jump school at 22.

Sure I get some stares.  But who's gonna be laffin' when the plane is screaming towards the surface from thirty thousand feet at mach 2 and I'm already belted in at the emergency exit.  

Good luck opening the emergency door. You do realize that in a pressurized jet at 30,000 ft, the door would be impossible for a human to open right?
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fansb1fe1104 Posted at 11-2 12:15
Good luck opening the emergency door. You do realize that in a pressurized jet at 30,000 ft, the door would be impossible for a human to open right?

Don't worry.  I have experience.


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Mark The Droner Posted at 11-2 12:41
Don't worry.  I have experience.

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You have experience opening pressurized jet emergency doors midflight? Please share how you were able to accomplish this.
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fansb1fe1104 Posted at 11-2 14:21
You have experience opening pressurized jet emergency doors midflight? Please share how you were able to accomplish this.

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Mark The Droner Posted at 11-2 15:24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fhasJlPK6E


The Boeing 727, put into service in 1963, had the distinction of a rear doorway with stairs that could be lowered so that passengers could embark and disembark at rural airports which did not have their own airstairs. As initially designed, this door could be opened even whilst in flight as it is not the usual "plug" style.
In 1971, the hijacker known as DB Cooper famously used the rear door to make his parachute escape mid-flight. According to wikipedia, the CIA also used this feature to drop passengers and supplies mid-flight.

In the wake of the DB Cooper incident and other hijackings, the ... mandated in 1972 that cooper vanes to be installed to prevent the opening of the rear door while in flight.

https://aviation.stackexchange.c ... be-opened-in-flight


So again why don't you share with us, how you would accomplish this.
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Haha very good.   I'm a little disappointed.  I had another vid set up ready to go.  

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/e6462644-d848-403e-98f5-1568ab679d06
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fansb1fe1104 Posted at 11-2 16:02
The Boeing 727, put into service in 1963, had the distinction of a rear doorway with stairs that could be lowered so that passengers could embark and disembark at rural airports which did not have their own airstairs. As initially designed, this door could be opened even whilst in flight as it is not the usual "plug" style.
In 1971, the hijacker known as DB Cooper famously used the rear door to make his parachute escape mid-flight. According to wikipedia, the CIA also used this feature to drop passengers and supplies mid-flight.

Just curious but once the cabin has depressurized won't the door open then?
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droneusername Posted at 11-2 17:02
Just curious but once the cabin has depressurized won't the door open then?

Yes if it is depressurized it will open, but how would you get it depressurized, the only way it would depressurize if it was going down, would be if a missile or something poked a hole in the plane. There recently was a plane that had an engine problem and a piece of the engine broke off and smashed one of the windows, sucking a passenger out the window. That plane was not in any danger of crashing though.
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fansb1fe1104 Posted at 11-2 18:11
Yes if it is depressurized it will open, but how would you get it depressurized, the only way it would depressurize if it was going down, would be if a missile or something poked a hole in the plane. There recently was a plane that had an engine problem and a piece of the engine broke off and smashed one of the windows, sucking a passenger out the window. That plane was not in any danger of crashing though.

It is simple, get the aircraft down to under 17 thousand feet and it does not need to be pressurised.
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Geebax Posted at 11-2 18:21
It is simple, get the aircraft down to under 17 thousand feet and it does not need to be pressurised.

How is a passenger supposed to know when they are at 17,000  feet?
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fansb1fe1104 Posted at 11-2 19:40
How is a passenger supposed to know when they are at 17,000  feet?

Using their pocket altimeter.
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But is it not the pilot that hits the button to depressurise it? ir does it down it automatically, prob auto actually in case the forget lol
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Under pressure... ha



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Geebax Posted at 11-2 22:00
Using their pocket altimeter.

I thought altimeters worked by sensing air pressure...?

Anyway, I think the emergency exits open by bringing the door in.  So yeah, it wouldn't open in a pressurized cabin.

OTOH, the regular exits open by bringing the door out.  

And yes, there's always the shattered window method of exiting.


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Hi, thanks for reaching the DJI Forum. We do appreciate bringing this us. Anything that is not DJI approved modifications or accessories, third-party devices that are not supported will not guarantee the integrity of the flights and may void the warranty for service repairs if in any case the aircraft needs to be diagnosed for flight accidents and product malfunctions. We appreciate your continued support to DJI. Have a safe flight. Thank you.

I understand, but that said, DJI doesn't offer a lot of these solutions to help us work around ... flight restrictions/regulations. DJI hasn't created night lights or parachuted in support of their drone users.

If they have please provide me/us with a link and I am sure we will happily look at it, maybe buy and promote it...most of us here own and obviously like/support DJI products...we have to go somewhere else for other products as DJI hasn't provided those.

Happy to have someone correct me and point me in the right direction.
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KennyB Posted at 11-4 16:42
I understand, but that said, DJI doesn't offer a lot of these solutions to help us work around ... flight restrictions/regulations. DJI hasn't created night lights or parachuted in support of their drone users.

If they have please provide me/us with a link and I am sure we will happily look at it, maybe buy and promote it...most of us here own and obviously like/support DJI products...we have to go somewhere else for other products as DJI hasn't provided those.

Quite true, and probably because there is no money in making them or they are no use. Parachute systems have not been big sellers and there are a lot of reason for that. Night lights are also a waste of time when most aviation regulatory bodies prohibit night flights whether you have lights on board or not. Try working with the regulations rather than trying to buck them.
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Nice one thanks for sharing it
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