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Why limit the Mavic 2 Pro to 4k 30fps ?
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Hi guys
I was wondering why the Mavic 2 pro was limited in terms of fps?
Apparently the hardware would allow it to easily go up to 60fps at 4K (some even say up to 120 fps!)
Is that true? if so, are you planning on updating the firmware to do so? or do we have to use some custom firmware to make the most of our drone?


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DJI stated that the processor inside the smaller m2pro cannot write at the speed required for 60fps @ 4k, the larger processor in the P4 Pro can write at the required speed
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SPIKE_151 Posted at 1-15 07:36
DJI stated that the processor inside the smaller m2pro cannot write at the speed required for 60fps @ 4k, the larger processor in the P4 Pro can write at the required speed

OK. So basically, when you buy a M2P thinking it's better than the P4, it's actually not? And no amount of waiting for updates will make it as good as a Evo from Autel that costs literally half the price? I am a bit disappointed I have to say...
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I dont think it will be able to write 60fps @ 4k or they would have put that in from the start. It can do 60fps@2.7k which for the smaller packaging of the M2pro is not bad considering how many obstacle avoidance sensors it has to process at the same time.
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Mr Onikoyi Posted at 1-15 07:49
OK. So basically, when you buy a M2P thinking it's better than the P4, it's actually not? And no amount of waiting for updates will make it as good as a Evo from Autel that costs literally half the price? I am a bit disappointed I have to say...

It is better then a P4.  It’s however, not better then a P4P.  It was also never claimed to be.  It is smaller though, so there’s that.
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Oracle Miata Posted at 1-15 08:10
It is better then a P4.  It’s however, not better then a P4P.  It was also never claimed to be.  It is smaller though, so there’s that.

Well I'm pretty sure that most of the specs that you would find on the Mavic 2 pro would show it had the same hardware as P4P crammed in its small body...

I guess next time. I buy a drone I won't just buy it when they're doing their keynotes, I'll just wait a bit and see what others have to say about it! Lol

It's my fault I guess, I must have read what I wanted to see!! Lol
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Mr Onikoyi Posted at 1-15 07:49
OK. So basically, when you buy a M2P thinking it's better than the P4, it's actually not? And no amount of waiting for updates will make it as good as a Evo from Autel that costs literally half the price? I am a bit disappointed I have to say...

In what regards is the Autel Evo better?
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djiuser_jBXOnzT6p8Z1 Posted at 1-15 10:20
In what regards is the Autel Evo better?

Well, more or less the same size, with a captor that can film in 4k 60fps at half the price.
Its a good deal for the price in terms of video. Themmavic is better for photos, but hey, at twice the price, it's got to be!
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Autel sensor is 1inch? I guess not...
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DanielVieira Posted at 1-16 07:25
Autel sensor is 1inch? I guess not...

I guess it all depends on the use you want to make of your drone.

The 1 inch captor is good for photography essentially, and at that, the M2P is better than the Autel.
But in terms of video, you get a more cinematique effect with the Autel at 4k60fps which gives you the option to downscale and crop without too much apparent pixels AND a more fluid and cinematic feeling to your video.

But hey, I guess I'll just have to be happy with 4k 30fps or use a lower resolution...
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Mr Onikoyi Posted at 1-16 09:33
I guess it all depends on the use you want to make of your drone.

The 1 inch captor is good for photography essentially, and at that, the M2P is better than the Autel.

4K 60fps “cinematic” I don’t think so, soap opera maybe, I think we have seen one movie of note in the last 10 years shot with 48fps The Hobbit, since then I don’t know of any two, Cinematic 24fps this is the standard for Hollywood and all film companies, maybe they don’t know about 4K 60fps yet or the flying pink pigs.
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hallmark007 Posted at 1-16 11:12
4K 60fps “cinematic” I don’t think so, soap opera maybe, I think we have seen one movie of note in the last 10 years shot with 48fps The Hobbit, since then I don’t know of any two, Cinematic 24fps this is the standard for Hollywood and all film companies, maybe they don’t know about 4K 60fps yet or the flying pink pigs.

For cinematic slow motions effects, You're way better off at 60fps than at 30fps. Most pros that I've taken advice from tell me to shoot at 4k 60fps and then crop and slow down to get a nice detailed slow-motion effect and the possibility to zoom in...
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Basically, when you do a 50% slow mo on a 60fps, you get a nice 30fps slow motion 4k video, try doing the same a 24fps or 30fps and you get a choppy slow motion that wouldn't be too good on a drone video in my opinion, that's why most people who fly over nice sceneries have to do it in 2,7k or 1080p with Mavic 2 pro.
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Mr Onikoyi Posted at 1-16 11:28
Basically, when you do a 50% slow mo on a 60fps, you get a nice 30fps slow motion 4k video, try doing the same a 24fps or 30fps and you get a choppy slow motion that wouldn't be too good on a drone video in my opinion, that's why most people who fly over nice sceneries have to do it in 2,7k or 1080p with Mavic 2 pro.

I think if you ask most pros they will tell you cinema standard is 24fps I think cinematic is derived from cinema go figure.
If your taking cinema as a benchmark and looking at filiming cinematic footage then take a look at this video, and yes he is a pro.

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Either way the MAVIC 2 PRO can shoot 4k at 60fps in normal colours. So DJI should give this capability only in normal colour.
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hallmark007 Posted at 1-16 12:06
I think if you ask most pros they will tell you cinema standard is 24fps I think cinematic is derived from cinema go figure.
If your taking cinema as a benchmark and looking at filiming cinematic footage then take a look at this video, and yes he is a pro.

I'm not saying that cinematics is not 24fps, i'm saying that if you want to be able of doing good slow mo in 4k, you need to be able to record in more than 24fps. Recording at 60 fps allows you to be able to slow down to 40% of the recorded speed while remaining fluid.
Being able to record at 60fps in 4k will allow you to do some good 4k slow motion footage.

And if you really dont want to, nothing is stopping you from only recording in 24fps! loool
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SPIKE_151 Posted at 1-15 08:01
I dont think it will be able to write 60fps @ 4k or they would have put that in from the start. It can do  which for the smaller packaging of the M2pro is not bad considering how many obstacle avoidance sensors it has to process at the same time.

Since it is not possible to record at a higher than 100Mb/s bitrate, "true" 4K/60fps would be fart o much compromised by the compression bitrate limitation. You probably end up with a better result recording at 2.7K/60fps (even on the P4P).
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roamer105 Posted at 1-20 10:49
Since it is not possible to record at a higher than 100Mb/s bitrate, "true" 4K/60fps would be fart o much compromised by the compression bitrate limitation. You probably end up with a better result recording at 2.7K/60fps (even on the P4P).

Oh, OK! I see then...
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roamer105 Posted at 1-20 10:49
Since it is not possible to record at a higher than 100Mb/s bitrate, "true" 4K/60fps would be fart o much compromised by the compression bitrate limitation. You probably end up with a better result recording at 2.7K/60fps (even on the P4P).

I have been happy so far with the 4K/60fps recordings on my P4Pro so far. Viewed on a 4K tv they are sublime
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The biggest problem with 24p (25p) is the panning, where there is a strobe effect, where there is no natural look, it seems ugly.
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M2 is a powerful laptop and P4P is a powerful desktop.
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IcannotThinkOfAName Posted at 1-23 05:37
M2 is a powerful laptop and P4P is a powerful desktop.

Good analogy... I see what you mean now...
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VIZ Produkcija Posted at 1-23 05:16
The biggest problem with 24p (25p) is the panning, where there is a strobe effect, where there is no natural look, it seems ugly.

What do you mean? Can you reproduce that effect and show it here please??
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I was about to buy the Mavic until I saw this 4k 30fps crap.
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Mr Onikoyi Posted at 1-23 05:40
What do you mean? Can you reproduce that effect and show it here please??

Here's the example:

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VIZ Produkcija Posted at 1-24 16:16
Here's the example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuPJIeQ_5i8&feature=youtu.be

I don't see anything bad on there, it looks good to me!
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Mr Onikoyi Posted at 1-24 23:57
I don't see anything bad on there, it looks good to me!

I think that he is referring to motion blur.
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SPIKE_151 Posted at 1-25 03:22
I think that he is referring to motion blur.

Oh OK, true. Yeah he would have to shoot at 1080p to avoid that, or move slowly lol
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SPIKE_151 Posted at 1-25 03:22
I think that he is referring to motion blur.

I mean the judder, which is expressed in 25 (24) p. I did not have this at P4P at 50p
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Mr Onikoyi Posted at 1-16 09:33
I guess it all depends on the use you want to make of your drone.

The 1 inch captor is good for photography essentially, and at that, the M2P is better than the Autel.

I have a neighbor with an autel evo and I don't think it has better "anything" than the m2p.  Except maybe the lower price and again-there are reasons for that too.
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hallmark007 Posted at 1-16 12:06
I think if you ask most pros they will tell you cinema standard is 24fps I think cinematic is derived from cinema go figure.
If your taking cinema as a benchmark and looking at filiming cinematic footage then take a look at this video, and yes he is a pro.

I agree, as I used to be a 30fps diehard but then realized that shooting at 24/5 is better considering I am using a lot of hyperlapses. I also find 60fps helpful since I sometimes use 4k footage but am now transitioning to 2.7k as it is easier to process and offers 60 fps.
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