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JodyB Posted at 1-3 04:56
Sounds like you did pretty good experiment wise. I probably would have went a little different direction, more extreme I guess you could say. I would have changed one set of props at a time and flew after each time to see how the craft handled until I had them all changed. Taking notes for me would me crucial as I couldn't be able to remember which arm I changed and what performance difference after each change that actually, if any, occurred.
I still have all the original blades on my mini that it came with, but I'm not having the max power load problem either. But it would be nice if I could experiment in that way.
Yes!
I'm a troubleshooting kind of guy as well. My whole career has been as a troubleshooter of various systems. I used to joke that what I did for a living was travel to far away places and read the manuals for other people's systems and just follow the directions. ;)
But there's more to it than that. I quit a job I had early-on because I got tired of the constant travel. I was never home much. But the bosses where I worked said that they couldn't help it because the customers always called and asked for me. So I was always on the road. This was often troubleshooting things I'd never seen before;. We worked on the telemetry systems we built, of course, but our customers had lots of other systems that needed work, too. So they always sent me out on the "odd ones".
That was flattering, but I was still sick of all of the travel. Often, when I'd arrive at a job, the first thing I'd have to do is ask the customer "What did this thing do when it was working right? They'd have to explain what the system even was, and what it was supposed to be doing. Then I could start there and troubleshoot it. I have to say that in 6 1/2 years, I was undefeated. ;)
I know this is off topic, but funny. I had a saying: "The customer is always wrong.".
It's so easy to let a customer lead you down the garden path with what they've tried and what their analysis of the problem is. You have to get over letting customers have too much influence on your troubleshooting thought process. After all, if they really knew what was wrong, they wouldn't have had to call YOU!
But you don't want to embarrass the customer, or make them look bad in the eyes of their bosses. So I often did my best work when they'd go to lunch, or go home for the evening. And NEVER trust any measurements other folks have made. "Trust but verify". I'd always come up with some excuse like: "I just want to measure it with MY meter or MY 'scope." Or again, wait for them to leave you alone, and then make the measurements yourself.
Anyhow, in this case, I was definitely not in troubleshooting mode at all.
When I was working on my Mini the other night, I just wanted to get the new firmware installed. Not because the Mini was flying badly, but just to be up to date.
Then, when I tried it, and had the drone do that strange dropping down to the floor and be unable to rise above 1 foot (probably just operating off of "ground effect" due to very low power from the motors), the first thing I thought of was replacing the props since I've been suspicious that I got some of the "old style" props and that's why the thing has never given me good battery life and always struggles with the prop guards in place.
So I just swapped out all four corners all at once to see if that improved the lift.
However, because I also didn't understand that the batteries themselves also need to have their firmware updated, I ended up with only one of my three batteries updated (the one that happened to be in the drone when I did its update). And because the battery I ended up using for that third flight of the night (the only flight after putting the new props on) was probably the battery that WAS updated, I cannot say which of those two variables made the thing fly properly.
I had all three batteries fully charged. I put in #3 to do the firmware update. But when I then wanted to test fly, I took it out and put it into the charger and installed a completely charged one of the other two into the drone. That way, I could be charging the one I had partially used up while doing the updates. So #3 was now in the charger, being topped off.
So I then flew with batteries 1 and 2, and had the drop-down at 50% charge level from them both.
After that, I swapped out all four props because I'd been thinking about doing that anyhow, and wondered if that would fix this problem. And coincidentally, I then put the now recharged battery number 3 for that test. And everything worked well.
So two variables at once. Something you NEVER want to do when troubleshooting anything for obvious reasons!
If I had this to do again for troubleshooting and testing purposes, I'd have updated firmware/software in all of the devices including all of the batteries and then test flown it that way.
Then I might have swapped out all of the props and tried it again for comparison.
But I wasn't really troubleshooting anything. I was just updating firmware/software. It was the "low flying" that prompted me to swap the props, but I wish I'd have just tried it with battery #3 at that point. But I didn't suspect that there was any difference between the three batteries at that time. I only learned about this updating of the batteries' firmware later.
I actually suspect that it was the batteries not being updated that caused the drop-down at 50% battery level. It seems reasonable that the new firmware in the Mini didn't play well with the firmware in two of the batteries, and a misinterpretation of battery level caused the very low max power available to the motors.
And this might explain a LOT of the "drop down" events we see reported here. If the drone isn't communicating with and interpreting the battery levels correctly, all sorts of bad things are possible.
Of course, it could be the prop blades, too. But I actually think that's a lower probability than the battery firmware issue.
I do think the system should give a warning if the battery and controller/drone/phone firmware/software are not all matched. It seems like mismatched firmware may well be a very bad thing!
I don't know if there's an easy way to roll back a battery's firmware, but I'd be tempted to try that. That would be VERY telling!
DJI should make the next firmware/software do a "version check" automatically. This battery firmware issue may be causing a LOT of lost/crashed Minis. If I hadn't been flying in my office, with the drone in a safe place, having it suddenly lose power at 50% battery level would have been catastrophic. As it was, it was very odd. No amount of upward movement of the left stick had any effect on the height of the drone whatsoever. It just held at about 1 foot over the floor. I could go left, right, forward, backward, and rotate left and right. But I could never get it to move upwards. It just skimmed the floor for the remainder of the battery's life.
Outdoors, with the drone far away, this would have likely resulted in a crash or loss of the drone.
I'm glad it happened to me in my office!
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