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djiuser_1PLsDYumgDrp Posted at 12-1 21:59
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As far as i know the mavic mini 2 doesn't support waypoints in tradtional way (upload/offline) also.

It is not known yet.

Remember, virtual sticks cannot perform Waypoints, they can only simulate it. Waypoints mode is a fully automatic mode, in which a mission is loaded into the drone's memory and executed according to a script written by DJI professionals. This is the best and proven option.

Every developer trying to simulate Waypoints mode does it differently. This means that a user trying to create the same Waypoints flight using virtual sticks in applications from two different developers can get different final results. One flight will take 2 minutes, the other 2 minutes and 30 seconds. The question arises. Why are the developers trying so hard to simulate a mode that DJI itself doesn't want to give users of some of its new products? The drones crashed by users will be on the conscience of these developers, and possibly the wallet.
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DJI needs to disable automated way points in all of their drones that are operating in countries with Visual Line of Sight (VLOS) requirements. These products have far too much range to trust non-professional remote pilots to maintain VLOS while using automated way points.
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djiuser_mIxng4kU8fq7 Posted at 12-2 05:26
DJI needs to disable automated way points in all of their drones that are operating in countries with Visual Line of Sight (VLOS) requirements. These products have far too much range to trust non-professional remote pilots to maintain VLOS while using automated way points.

that's fine, we'll just disable purchasing of DJI products.
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That's fine, we'll just disable remote pilot licenses as needed.
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Developer road map has been updated with an Estimated Release Time: 2020-12-13.
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djiuser_mIxng4kU8fq7 Posted at 12-2 05:26
DJI needs to disable automated way points in all of their drones that are operating in countries with Visual Line of Sight (VLOS) requirements. These products have far too much range to trust non-professional remote pilots to maintain VLOS while using automated way points.

If DJI removes the ability to automatically fly in Waypoints mode, then I will immediately sell all my DJI drones and monitor products from other manufacturers. I have been using this mode since 2017 and it makes piloting a lot easier. If DJI does not want to use automatic Waypoints in some countries where there are requirements for VLOS, then let them turn them off programmatically, like the FCC. FCC is legal in some countries, but prohibited in others, and DJI has learned to change this mode depending on the country in which the drone is used. Or let them somehow check the pilot's license and experience.
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Super pilot Posted at 12-2 07:17
If DJI removes the ability to automatically fly in Waypoints mode, then I will immediately sell all my DJI drones and monitor products from other manufacturers. I have been using this mode since 2017 and it makes piloting a lot easier. If DJI does not want to use automatic Waypoints in some countries where there are requirements for VLOS, then let them turn them off programmatically, like the FCC. FCC is legal in some countries, but prohibited in others, and DJI has learned to change this mode depending on the country in which the drone is used. Or let them somehow check the pilot's license and experience.

Yes, they should be able to selectively enable this mode when and where it is appropriate to do so. It just isn't appropriate for this mode to be available to everyone, everywhere, at all times.
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djiuser_mIxng4kU8fq7 Posted at 12-2 07:27
Yes, they should be able to selectively enable this mode when and where it is appropriate to do so. It just isn't appropriate for this mode to be available to everyone, everywhere, at all times.

I agree with that. I would leave this mode to professionals. But the point is, pros can use any drone in the DJI lineup, not just the most expensive ones. For example, I could safely use this mode with the Mini2 drone in countries where it is allowed, since I already have a lot of experience in mission design. But this drone has a minimum set of modes and it will not work. DJI needs to somehow check the level and experience of the drone pilot before take off and, on this basis, provide access to the modes allowed in the country. It's my opinion.
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Has the Mavic Air 2 SDK been released yet?
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Last update was, release postponed to December 13th. I hope DJI acknowledges our frustration and tries to find a solution. Sorry Lisa for having to take the heat. If the MA2 can't execute a function the Mavic Air had no problem with, I'd like to know in what regard its hardware is inferior?
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TobH Posted at 12-2 19:08
Last update was, release postponed to December 13th. I hope DJI acknowledges our frustration and tries to find a solution. Sorry Lisa for having to take the heat. If the MA2 can't execute a function the Mavic Air had no problem with, I'd like to know in what regard its hardware is inferior?

you will never get the answer you seek because there is no REAL reason for MA2 not to have waypoints for reasons exhaustively explained in pages 1-4 and DJI will never fess up about the truth, but for tldr i will recap:

Pop Quiz, answer YES to any TWO or more of the following to qualify for waypoints
1. Does the device have GPS?
2. Does the device have object avoidance?
3. Does the device have RTH (which is a single waypoint)
4. Does the device have waypoint functionality elsewhere in the app/firmware? (Liiiiiiiiiiike I dunno, hyperlapse maybe?)

this is purely to keep their products tiered and avoid whats called brand cannibalization (which is where one of your companies products crushes sales of your other products just because there happens to be shared functionality on both.)

think of it like this, if my company makes home cooking appliances, and i already sell a griddle that will through the use of swappable plates, grill paninis, make personal size snack cakes, grill steak/burgers, make pancakes, or make waffles, it wouldnt make much sense to also sell a panini grill, a george forman grill clone, and a waffle iron, as sales of our "all-in-one" unit will cannibalize sales of the single use models, even if priced aggressively
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Please let us all remember : As long as the MA1 is fully supported ( SDK ) it is explicitly suggesting, that the MA2 will be able to do the same. So... DJI is - in full consciousness - missleading new customers. Mostlikely the MA2 is being bought by first time owners - who don't have the knowledge yet to be aware of that. DJI is therefore deliberatly tricking people in to bying a very expensive toy for nothing. The only way to react to this is by spreading this knowledge in all social networks. Its so sad, that a company, that is able to produce such high quality products has such a crooked management. ...
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I can only say that I am extremely disappointed and disgusted. I feel like I was cheated and that DJI doesn't give a damn about its customers.
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This was an interesting read. Being a programmer I see were all your concerns are.  Extreme delays on these sdk releases is concerning. One would think that since this is not their first sdk that future releases would just get easier and easier. Purposely locking of capabilities seems to not make sense between the drones as the bigger drones have their benefits. More sensors and possibilities for accessories and better /faster hardware.  So the idea of a Mini2 canabolizing mavicPro is like saying a george foreman grill canabolizing an outdoor grill because it gets just as hot. There are use cases for both and obviously the bigger grill can do what the smaller grill can and some.

I own the Mini2 hopping to get my feet wet with the sdk when it is released and plan on buying a pro once I become more experienced.  That said the Mini2 would be my primary traveling companion and would naturally want to unlock it's full potential.

Bottom line, everyone here hopes DJI does right by us
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sdk has not been released yet. won't we have waypoints? where's @Lisa?
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DJI, what is going on with the Air 2 SDK? We were promised an SDK before the end of 2020, that's 3 weeks away!
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Bluegizmo83 Posted at 12-7 19:22
DJI, what is going on with the Air 2 SDK? We were promised an SDK before the end of 2020, that's 3 weeks away!

The release date for the SDK is updated to Dec. 14th. (It was Nov.30th, previously).

We are eagerly waiting for DJI to pull a rabbit out of a hat regarding waypoints.
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Crippled MA2 Posted at 11-20 07:37
Update from DJI.  SDK release moved back.  Still no waypoints because of memory limitation?  Take a look.  I hope someone smarter than me about the hardware can verify this, or is it just a new official excuse?

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Hope they are on schedule for the release of MA2 SDK on the 13th this time.
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Nice! Is the SDK still coming out by the end of year? I won't buy Mavic Air 2 until the SDK comes out .
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Ty Lisa.. for sdk release now...
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Yep, looks like "SDK V4.14 TRIAL1" is out! Developers start your engines!
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Wow! Finally DJI Mavic Air 2 SDK released! https://developer.dji.com/
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miniDrone360 Posted at 12-10 13:48
Wow! Finally DJI Mavic Air 2 SDK released! https://developer.dji.com/

Waypoints?
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Waypoints?
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head tracking?
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Head tracking is a feature of the App not the SDK. Wait for Litchi and Co to get an Beta for SDK 4.14 :-)
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Waypoints? (please, tell me yes)
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Anything known about support for waypoints?
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DroneLink:
"DJI has now released the 4.14 SDK on their site with support for the Mavic Air 2.
We tried it yesterday (on iOS) and there seems to be a bug in the DJI SDK that causes the app to immediately crash. We reported it to DJI and they are investigating."

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iadesdragon Posted at 12-11 02:13
Head tracking is a feature of the App not the SDK. Wait for Litchi and Co to get an Beta for SDK 4.14 :-)

For a 3rd party app, head tracking feature can't be implemented unless all necessary functions/hooks are provided in the SDK.
Just like waypoint people are asking here to see if it's supported in the SDK.
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Just received it from Litchi.

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Initially we will only support gimbal pitch the same as other drone models. But we will definitely try to add gimbal yaw at some point for all drone that support it.
We do not have a date yet for when MA2 will be supported. It is very early stage. The iOS SDK for example claims that it works with MA2 but for us it does not connect at all
Kind Regards,

Litchi
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I asked Litchi why their app only supports pitch and not yaw because Maven in iOS does support both pitch and yaw on Mavic 2.
MA2 has hardware capable of implementing both pitch and yaw head tracking just like M2.
But whether or not allowed by SDK remains to be seen.

Maven also said it's too early to say.



*edit*Developer of Maven just confirmed that they successfully tested tilt AND pan control of the gimbal on MA2 using the released SDK.
Tilt and pan head tracking is coming to Maven.
Litchi on the other hand, still don't have pan control with M2, let alone MA2.

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vg1 Posted at 12-11 09:34
Anything known about support for waypoints?

I am disappointed and want to share my bitter feelings with you. DJI has not added Waypoint support.
The [DJISDKManager missionControl] .waypointMissionOperator.currentState object returns the DJIWaypointMissionStateNotSupported value. I need to sell MA2 while it can make good money.
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Super pilot Posted at 12-12 13:34
I am disappointed and want to share my bitter feelings with you. DJI has not added Waypoint support.
The [DJISDKManager missionControl] .waypointMissionOperator.currentState object returns the DJIWaypointMissionStateNotSupported value. I need to sell MA2 while it can make good money.

I believe this is what we unfortunately expected as DJI has been communicating to us up to this point. We will have to depend on virtual sticks at this point.
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Visual Perceptions Posted at 12-12 16:27
I believe this is what we unfortunately expected as DJI has been communicating to us up to this point. We will have to depend on virtual sticks at this point.

This is unfortunate.  I bought the MA2 and misunderstood the waypoints capability in the hyperlapse setting.  Can someone explain virtual sticks to me?  What I am trying to do is setup a course to take the same photos daily over several months and create a timelapse of a construction process.  Is this a viable option for me or did I make a mistake buying the MA2 for this process?  I really cant afford the M2P and did not really want to purchase used.
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ejackson Posted at 12-12 19:33
This is unfortunate.  I bought the MA2 and misunderstood the waypoints capability in the hyperlapse setting.  Can someone explain virtual sticks to me?  What I am trying to do is setup a course to take the same photos daily over several months and create a timelapse of a construction process.  Is this a viable option for me or did I make a mistake buying the MA2 for this process?  I really cant afford the M2P and did not really want to purchase used.
Apps like Dronelink (the best app right now in my opinion) uses virtual sticks to make waypoints mission viable. They simulates the movement of the sticks just as your are moving them in the control but with actions previously programmed. With this app you can make that construction timelapses with no problem (I use this app for the same things with my mini 1) you can save a mission and repeat it over and over again.
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SEDIDEL Posted at 12-13 05:14
Apps like Dronelink (the best app right now in my opinion) uses virtual sticks to make waypoints mission viable. They simulates the movement of the sticks just as your are moving them in the control but with actions previously programmed. With this app you can make that construction timelapses with no problem (I use this app for the same things with my mini 1) you can save a mission and repeat it over and over again.

Thank you thats great. I'll keep an eye on it and wait for compatibility
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Yes.  Please keep us updated with compatibility of Dronelink and/or Litchi.  
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There is also Pix4Dcapture.
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Super pilot Posted at 12-12 13:34
I am disappointed and want to share my bitter feelings with you. DJI has not added Waypoint support.
The [DJISDKManager missionControl] .waypointMissionOperator.currentState object returns the DJIWaypointMissionStateNotSupported value. I need to sell MA2 while it can make good money.

Thank you Super pilot for testing it.
It is really sad to see that it does not support waypoints.
It means it is time to sell my MA2 too.

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