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Does dji have a serial number lock for lost or stolen drones?
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ZmaroSobrinho
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If I lose my drone (or if they steal) and someone else finds it and binds it on in a new control.
Is there a procedure at dji to warn or block or inform me that it is a stolen or lost drone, when it logs into the dji app?

6-18 04:02
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I am not sure but I think once it is activated it is too late, at least that's what I think. People don't have to be logged into their account to fly the drone. I don't log in because I am in airplane mode so no network. So they could just probably install the application, create a fake account and go fly? I hope someone from DJI give you more precision because I would like to know as well. In my country, it is a requirement to register a drone but only those that weight more than 250G, so I did not register the Mini but I put a sticker on it with my name etc..just in case.
6-18 04:07
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I don't think it is practical as long as there is a market for selling used drones.  does dji only flag a serial number which contains a police report?  if you buy a used drone, is there a way to check to see if the serial number is flagged before you buy it?
6-18 04:18
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Hello there ZmaroSobrinho. I am sorry to read and to know that you have lost your DJI Drone. Since this issue happened and if the said DJI drone is stolen it would be best to report this issue to your local authorities of the theft that had happened, and allow the police to run on their investigation of this incident. In addition, regretfully, we are unable to block your stolen aircraft. Tracking it would require the aircraft to be flying when it was lost through the flight record on your DJI Go 4 App. Hoping we could do more for you, we apologize. Again I am sorry for the trouble and please stay safe always.
6-19 01:33
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DJI can only block the serial numbers of items not yet activated, once activated they cant block them.
6-19 03:21
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Very interesting...I guess DJI is welcoming new users with stolen drones.....but again I am sorry to hear about your lost drone.
6-20 16:47
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DeafMacBoi Posted at 6-20 16:47
Very interesting...I guess DJI is welcoming new users with stolen drones.....but again I am sorry to hear about your lost drone.

You really seem to want to put down DJI at every opportunity. STFU.
6-20 17:32
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crash1sttime Posted at 6-19 03:21
DJI can only block the serial numbers of items not yet activated, once activated they cant block them.

And they can't do that either.
6-20 17:33
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Geebax Posted at 6-20 17:32
You really seem to want to put down DJI at every opportunity. STFU.

What is STFU?
6-20 18:42
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DeafMacBoi Posted at 6-20 16:47
Very interesting...I guess DJI is welcoming new users with stolen drones.....but again I am sorry to hear about your lost drone.

You'll have to invent the technology to help DJI.
If you found/stole a drone, there's no way DJI would ever know you were flying it, just like DJI can't tell when you are flying your own drone.
6-20 18:44
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It means "Shut The **** Up"
6-20 18:51
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DeafMacBoi Posted at 6-20 16:47
Very interesting...I guess DJI is welcoming new users with stolen drones.....but again I am sorry to hear about your lost drone.

He did not say he lost it. He asked about IF he lost it.
6-20 18:55
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GaryDoug Posted at 6-20 18:51
It means "Shut The **** Up"

I don't get it what is ****???
6-20 19:28
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GaryDoug Posted at 6-20 18:55
He did not say he lost it. He asked about IF he lost it.

Yes I was reading what other said....
6-20 19:29
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Labroides Posted at 6-20 18:44
You'll have to invent the technology to help DJI.
If you found/stole a drone, there's no way DJI would ever know you were flying it, just like DJI can't tell when you are flying your own drone.

DJI is in China? I thought DJI is too smart to invent many good technology than U.S.
6-20 19:31
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DeafMacBoi Posted at 6-20 19:28
I don't get it what is ****???

Per the Merriam-Webster dictionary      **** : usually obscene : an act of copulation

You can figure it out.

6-20 19:45
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Not that I know of but think that would be a useful suggestion and helpful feature to have accounted for as there really should be this kind of loss prevention built in.
6-20 21:12
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David Martin Graff Posted at 6-20 21:12
Not that I know of but think that would be a useful suggestion and helpful feature to have accounted for as there really should be this kind of loss prevention built in.

there really should be this kind of loss prevention built in
So how would you get that to work?
Your drone and R/C have a transmission distance of only a few miles.
How is DJI going to be able to tell when any drone is flying and communicate with it?
6-20 22:01
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Labroides Posted at 6-20 22:01
there really should be this kind of loss prevention built in
So how would you get that to work?
Your drone and R/C have a transmission distance of only a few miles.

I would understand any WiFi device has the ability to transmit anywhere once it's connected, so why wouldn't that be consistent with a DJI drone? If the drone is reported missing or stolen, why then DJI could possibly connect to and with that WiFi device once its connected then send out a fail safe feature to detect and disarm whatever signal, from where ever that device is located once it's connected? Such a device can not only be found on smart phones but in the form of a drone?
6-24 18:19
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David Martin Graff Posted at 6-24 18:19
I would understand any WiFi device has the ability to transmit anywhere once it's connected, so why wouldn't that be consistent with a DJI drone? If the drone is reported missing or stolen, why then DJI could possibly connect to and with that WiFi device once its connected then send out a fail safe feature to detect and disarm whatever signal, from where ever that device is located once it's connected? Such a device can not only be found on smart phones but in the form of a drone?

I would understand any WiFi device has the ability to transmit anywhere once it's connected.
C'mon ... it's not rocket science.
You aren't familiar with the concept of range?
How far does your R/C controller transmit?
How far away can you receive signal from your drone?

Despite the complete ignorance of basic scientific concepts of some members here, DJI has no way to tell when or where any of you are flying.
DJI still has to comply with the laws of physics.
6-24 20:43
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I think the fly safe updates should be forced(through dji app without having to update it manually). And if the stolen drones serial is to be approved(lets say the local enforcement authority/courts etc), the flysafe database should assign the whole gps area(in this case the world) a NFZ. This would be a good way to get infront of the stolen drone business. Not a "total block" since you can also force the drone without the app manually,  but definately a way for it to be not used "as if it was your own drone".
Buut I can also see its too much hassle for a little amount of gain. Since their selling point is not "a drone that will never get stolen" I hardly find it prone to be implemented in the near future.
6-24 21:17
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To be honest I would prefer an option to REMOTELY LOCK my drone and ERASE any log and the microSD card the next time the S/N specified is RC connected again without anybody else's intervention.

Blocking an AC based on S/N might be a feature not baked into the firmware but I DO NOT UNDERSTAND why DJI doesn't want to track down a drone for which I have the PROOF OF PURCHASE entitled to myself. Why ? You have the rights to collect all of my data (otherwise you don't provide basic services like mapping) and I can't know if my lost or stolen Aircraft has ever flown again.
6-25 07:43
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m80116 Posted at 6-25 07:43
To be honest I would prefer an option to REMOTELY LOCK my drone and ERASE any log and the microSD card the next time the S/N specified is RC connected again without anybody else's intervention.

Blocking an AC based on S/N might be a feature not baked into the firmware but I DO NOT UNDERSTAND why DJI doesn't want to track down a drone for which I have the PROOF OF PURCHASE entitled to myself. Why ? You have the rights to collect all of my data (otherwise you don't provide basic services like mapping) and I can't know if my lost or stolen Aircraft has ever flown again.

I DO NOT UNDERSTAND why DJI doesn't want to track down a drone for which I have the PROOF OF PURCHASE entitled to myself.
Is that something the manufacturers of your other possessions do for you?

Why ? You have the rights to collect all of my data (otherwise you don't provide basic services like mapping)

1.  DJI does not collect all of your data.
Where did you get the idea that they do?
2.  Mapping?  How is that relevant?

and I can't know if my lost or stolen Aircraft has ever flown again.

But you think that DJI can?
6-25 15:17
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Labroides Posted at 6-25 15:17
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND why DJI doesn't want to track down a drone for which I have the PROOF OF PURCHASE entitled to myself.  
Is that something the manufacturers of your other possessions do for you?

I DO NOT UNDERSTAND why DJI doesn't want to track down a drone for which I have the PROOF OF PURCHASE entitled to myself.

Is that something the manufacturers of your other possessions do for you?
Yes, both Windows and Android offer remote lockout (and date wipe out) in my devices potentially containing sensitive data.

Why ? You have the rights to collect all of my data (otherwise you don't provide basic services like mapping)

1.  DJI does not collect all of your data.
Where did you get the idea that they do?
2.  Mapping?  How is that relevant?


Mapping is relevant for flying based on features and should orientation or technical problems arise, you can blindly navigate using the map. It still works without tile data but is most useful when tile data is present.
DJI Fly app usally collects: Aircraft Info and GPS data, Mobile Device GPS data. If you want to collect statistics all of your flight logs.

and I can't know if my lost or stolen Aircraft has ever flown again.

But you think that DJI can?

Yes, to re-activate the device for usage with another RC the DJI Device Hardware Info needs to be on, this will include the Aircraft serial number, the gimbal, camera and battery.

6-25 16:00
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fans69e937dd Posted at 6-25 16:00
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND why DJI doesn't want to track down a drone for which I have the PROOF OF PURCHASE entitled to myself.
Is that something the manufacturers of your other possessions do for you?
Yes, both Windows and Android offer remote lockout (and date wipe out) in my devices potentially containing sensitive data.

Yes, both Windows and Android offer remote lockout (and date wipe out) in my devices potentially containing sensitive data.
I know it's complicated but think of it this way .. phones and tablets connect to the internet from time to time, your drone doesn't.
Do the manufacturers of any of your non-internet possessions want to track your lost or stolen possessions for you?
How about your car manufacturer?

Mapping is relevant for flying based on features and should orientation or technical problems arise, you can blindly navigate using the map. It still works without tile data but is most useful when tile data is present.
????   Sorry, I can't understand what that has to do with anything, let alone this discussion.

DJI Fly app usally collects: Aircraft Info and GPS data, Mobile Device GPS data. If you want to collect statistics all of your flight logs.
In case you haven't noticed, the Fly app isn't DJI.
**Newsflash**
DJI doesn't collect your data, they don't get to see your data unless you choose to upload it to their servers.

Yes, to re-activate the device for usage with another RC the DJI Device Hardware Info needs to be on, this will include the Aircraft serial number, the gimbal, camera and battery.
FYI .. once any DJI drone has been activated, you can fly it with your device and DJI would never know.

If DJI don't know when any of their drones are flying, how do you expect them to be able to fulfil any of your feeble fantasies?

6-25 23:48
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Labroides Posted at 6-25 23:48
Yes, both Windows and Android offer remote lockout (and date wipe out) in my devices potentially containing sensitive data.
I know it's complicated but think of it this way .. phones and tablets connect to the internet from time to time, your drone doesn't.
Do the manufacturers of any of your non-internet possessions want to track your lost or stolen possessions for you?

It's the user that has the power to track down his belonging, having the legal rights to do so being supported by the manufacturer.

Fly app normally reports to DJI's servers your Aircraft and Mobile Device position every time you use the app online (and possibly even after an offline flight, as there is a certain amount of activity even when the Product improvement option and Auto-synch flights functions are OFF).

Once the drone has been reactivated the hardware ID has been logged, this already enables to approximately track where the latest activation has been done (even when fake credential are used) and under normal circumstances find every home point used for every flight where the app was online (and possibly even when offline, without synching the flight logs).

Privacy checking among others is one of my strongholds. DJI app has its privacy breaches that most people don't seem to realize. I haven't tested with positioning (GPS, location) disabled but, based on experiece acquired in years I am quite doubtful that it would spare you from being tracked. I was among the very first to discover 15 years ago or so that no history in Google really meant no history for you but not for everybody else as the app was still collecting that data.
6-26 02:54
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m80116 Posted at 6-26 02:54
It's the user that has the power to track down his belonging, having the legal rights to do so being supported by the manufacturer.

Fly app normally reports to DJI's servers your Aircraft and Mobile Device position every time you use the app online (and possibly even after an offline flight, as there is a certain amount of activity even when the Product improvement option and Auto-synch flights functions are OFF).

Fly app normally reports to DJI's servers your Aircraft and Mobile Device position every time you use the app online (and possibly even after an offline flight, as there is a certain amount of activity even when the Product improvement option and Auto-synch flights functions are OFF).
DJI is not Big Brother watching your every move.
How is DJI ever going to see my flight records unless I choose to share them with DJI?

Once the drone has been reactivated the hardware ID has been logged, this already enables to approximately track where the latest activation has been done (even when fake credential are used).
The drone only ever has one activation.
There is no reactivation.
If you buy a secondhand drone, you just switch it on and fly with no need to reactivate it at all and definitely no need for fake credentials.

and under normal circumstances find every home point used for every flight where the app was online (and possibly even when offline, without synching the flight logs).
We still haven't worked out how my flight data, gets to DJI so they can see all these things???

Privacy checking among others is one of my strongholds.
Along with fairy tales, it seems.

6-26 05:23
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I think it's a bad, bad idea and I hope no manufacturer ever attempts to implement this "feature."
6-26 08:47
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Labroides Posted at 6-26 05:23
Fly app normally reports to DJI's servers your Aircraft and Mobile Device position every time you use the app online (and possibly even after an offline flight, as there is a certain amount of activity even when the Product improvement option and Auto-synch flights functions are OFF).
DJI is not Big Brother watching your every move.
How is DJI ever going to see my flight records unless I choose to share them with DJI?

What I really wanted to say was PAIRING or LINKING. Anyway... looking the Fly app Privacy settings nothing is mentioned about it.

In any case I am extremely doubtful something so important is not monitored by DJI.
6-26 12:59
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m80116 Posted at 6-26 12:59
What I really wanted to say was PAIRING or LINKING. Anyway... looking the Fly app Privacy settings nothing is mentioned about it.

In any case I am extremely doubtful something so important is not monitored by DJI.

In any case I am extremely doubtful something so important is not monitored by DJI.
How can they?
What range does your controller transmit?
What range does your Mavic transmit?

And what's so important about your flight data that DJI should or would want to be monitoring it?

6-26 16:58
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Labroides Posted at 6-24 20:43
I would understand any WiFi device has the ability to transmit anywhere once it's connected.
C'mon ... it's not rocket science.
You aren't familiar with the concept of range?

I think it's mired in red tape than it is in form of the technology, because it essentially would be tied to your phone transmitting your drone's identifiable information data, and that would be transmitted over over cellular connectivity rather than over the drone's WiFi? Of course there's a limit to the drone's transmission capability but if your phone's cellular connects simultaneously while it's connected to your drone then there's theoretically a hub-and-spoke teleconnectivity model to transmit drone identity details back to the manufacturer?
6-28 18:41
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David Martin Graff Posted at 6-28 18:41
I think it's mired in red tape than it is in form of the technology, because it essentially would be tied to your phone transmitting your drone's identifiable information data, and that would be transmitted over over cellular connectivity rather than over the drone's WiFi? Of course there's a limit to the drone's transmission capability but if your phone's cellular connects simultaneously while it's connected to your drone then there's theoretically a hub-and-spoke teleconnectivity model to transmit drone identity details back to the manufacturer?

You've invented a hypothetical system that does not exist and DJI does not use.
Now all you have to do is convince DJI to employ that system and things will work as you imagine.
Of course it still wouldn't work if someone was flying with a wifi only device, without wifi internet connection or a phone but away from mobile signal.
Or if the hypothetical drone thief switched off wifi/phone connection..

Meanwhile, back in the real world ....



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Labroides Posted at 6-28 18:49
You've invented a hypothetical system that does not exist and DJI does not use.
Now all you have to do is convince DJI to employ that system and things will work as you imagine.
Of course it still wouldn't work if someone was flying with a wifi only device without wifi internet connection or a phone but away from mobile signal.

understandable
7-22 13:40
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I may be saying something stupid, but the Dji Fly app has the function of locating my drone. If your drone is stolen you have tjrs the ability to see where it is via the app right ?
7-22 17:34
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VanzPix Posted at 7-22 17:34
I may be saying something stupid, but the Dji Fly app has the function of locating my drone. If your drone is stolen you have tjrs the ability to see where it is via the app right ?

Only as long as it is switched on and the battery lasts., and you are within range of the aircraft.
7-22 18:07
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VanzPix Posted at 7-22 17:34
I may be saying something stupid, but the Dji Fly app has the function of locating my drone. If your drone is stolen you have tjrs the ability to see where it is via the app right ?

If your drone is stolen you have the the ability to see where it is via the app right ?
Wrong.
Find My Drone can only display the last location that the app recorded for the drone.
If your phone/tablet is stolen with the drone, there's no way you can see that.
If your phone/tablet wasn't stolen with the drone, then your app has no idea what the drone has done since you lost it.


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Labroides Posted at 7-22 21:53
If your drone is stolen you have the the ability to see where it is via the app right ?
Wrong.
Find My Drone can only display the last location that the app recorded for the drone.

okay I thought it was possible but I was wrong ;)
But I wonder in the dji database if for example the thief records a second time the drone with another email address on the site (some thieves are pretty stupid) would not be able to dji spot that the same drone was recorded twice with a different email address ?
7-23 01:32
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VanzPix Posted at 7-23 01:32
okay I thought it was possible but I was wrong ;)
But I wonder in the dji database if for example the thief records a second time the drone with another email address on the site (some thieves are pretty stupid) would not be able to dji spot that the same drone was recorded twice with a different email address ?

would not be able to dji spot that the same drone was recorded twice with a different email address ?
There's no need for anyone to re-register a used drone with DJI.
If you've ever bought a secondhand DJI drone, you'd have found that once a DJI drone has been activated, anyone can fly it, any time.
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Labroides Posted at 7-23 02:16
would not be able to dji spot that the same drone was recorded twice with a different email address ?
There's no need for anyone to re-register a used drone with DJI.
If you've ever bought a secondhand DJI drone, you'd have found that once a DJI drone has been activated, anyone can fly it, any time.

it's my first drone and I didn't buy used so I didn't know. thank you for your answers.
7-23 02:33
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