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S-e-ven
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Aircraft orientation Display,why is it gone in case the  little map  is open? I would really have BOTH on the display.
Don't see a reason that the "radar view", position of the bird seen from the device, needs to be switched off at all.
Even in case I have "full map view" it would be nice to know where exactly  I have to look after watching the display.
Helps a lot, sometimes !



Also:
Every now and then I forget to switch on the GPS on my phone before I start Fly App and Air 2
Then there is for at least a long time of the flight the red icon (no device-Location?)  to see.
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Sometimes it updates, it seems, so in the last 5-10 minutes there is a chance, but sometimes there is all the flight just the red icon .


Can that be changed?


8-5 03:59
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Hi. I am sorry for the trouble this has caused and thank you for reaching out to DJI Forum. With regards to this concern. When encountering the red aircraft orientation icon, it means the mobile device’s GPS is poor and the DJI Fly application cannot calculate the relative position of the aircraft and mobile device. Thank you.


8-6 08:15
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If your device's GPS is turned off you are going to get the all-red Aircraft Orientation Display.   It needs both the aircraft & device GPS data to properly function.

As to why you get the map -OR- AOD, it appears DJI decided in Fly it's one or the other.  DJI Go/Go4 depends on display size.  On small displays like a phone, you get either the map or radar view.  Larger displays show both radar & map at the same time.
8-6 10:49
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The Aircraft Orientation Display is used to determine where your drone is relative to the RC and what direction it's pointing.  You basically get the same information on the Map.  I think DJI decided to show only one of the displays...maybe is was to reduce the IMU workload....maybe it was harder to superimpose the AOD on top of the Map. I don't really know.  I can't help you on the issue of why it takes so long to get the red alert to resolve.  It might be a mobile device issue more than a drone issue.
8-6 11:28
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DJI Paladin Posted at 8-6 08:15
Hi. I am sorry for the trouble this has caused and thank you for reaching out to DJI Forum. With regards to this concern. When encountering the red aircraft orientation icon, it means the mobile device’s GPS is poor and the DJI Fly application cannot calculate the relative position of the aircraft and mobile device. Thank you.

Thank you, Paladin, but it is NOT a poor Phone GPS connection!
This function works very well, in case the GPS is "ON" at DJI-Fly start
But the App is not connecting to the phones GPS, in case I  start the GPS AFTER the bird is in the Air




And to the second point (which usually is the topics point)

Why isn't it possible, to have the mini map in the corner AND the Aircraft Orientation Display in the middle?
I would even think, in full map view it would be good to have the AOD.
It helps a lot, sometimes, to keep the orientation from remote to bird in order
8-6 17:15
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Dirty Bird Posted at 8-6 10:49
If your device's GPS is turned off you are going to get the all-red Aircraft Orientation Display.   It needs both the aircradt & device GPS data to properly function.

As to why you get the map -OR- AOD, it appears DJI decided in Fly it's one or the other.  DJI Go/Go4 depends on display size.  On small displays like a phone, you get either the map or radar view.  Larger displays show both radar & map at the same time.

Thanks, just why isn't the App changing the status, after switching on GPS?
It works really good, as long the phones GPS is "on", on App start.
But it does not connect to the phones GPS, in case this GPS is started AFTER the App or with the bird already in the air!

And the difference to the Go4 is that there BOTH are in the same position, corner.
(Android)
But with the change from having a map icon  on the left, plus the AOD in the middle, I really don't see any reason, why  the AOD can't stay O"on" at all times.
Aside that the little corner map is imho not really helpful .
8-6 17:22
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Rustic17 Posted at 8-6 11:28
The Aircraft Orientation Display is used to determine where your drone is relative to the RC and what direction it's pointing.  You basically get the same information on the Map.  I think DJI decided to show only one of the displays...maybe is was to reduce the IMU workload....maybe it was harder to superimpose the AOD on top of the Map. I don't really know.  I can't help you on the issue of why it takes so long to get the red alert to resolve.  It might be a mobile device issue more than a drone issue.[view_image]

"basically the same info on the map", in case you go on map view, ok.
But the mini map in the corner?
Flying over water ? 22685.jpg
or a golf course? ;-)
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I just think it is a great instrument to get the eyes back on the bird after watching the display for a little while (Pano e.g. ;-), and should be on, even in full display map view

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8-6 17:45
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S-e-ven Posted at 8-6 17:45
"basically the same info on the map", in case you go on map view, ok.
But the mini map in the corner?
Flying over water ?[view_image]

I agree...I was just trying to reason why DJI did it the way they did.
8-6 17:56
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And at least on my android device it looks like there still would be enough space for  the height/distance, between mini map and "radar" (AOD)
8-6 18:10
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S-e-ven Posted at 8-6 18:10
And at least on my android device it looks like there still would be enough space for  the height/distance, between mini map and "radar" (AOD)
I think you need to zoom your map out a bit.  This is my map and I can easily have situational awareness without the AOD.
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8-6 18:23
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8-6 18:49
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That is right, in full map view you have "basically the same info on the map"
(It is still not "dummyproof", like "point your remote to the arrow in front of the dot" from the radar view. In your picture, you are pointing to the right of your bird! ;-)
But in case you have just the mini map in the corner you are left in the middle of "the full picture"

I have no idea if that would cost a lot of phone performance, to show this info all the time.
But since it is calculated anyway, I would not assume that it is!
Only one more way to display
8-6 18:55
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What am I doing with your answer?

-Pointless- or -good points-?

8-6 18:58
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S-e-ven Posted at 8-6 18:55
That is right, in full map view you have "basically the same info on the map"
(It is still not "dummyproof", like "point your remote to the arrow in front of the dot" from the radar view. In your picture, you are pointing to the right of your bird! ;-)
But in case you have just the mini map in the corner you are left in the middle of "the full picture"

I still agree with you it'd be nice to have both.
8-6 19:00
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S-e-ven Posted at 8-6 18:58
What am I doing with your answer?

-Pointless- or -good points-?

I removed my answer because it was probably invalid. Thanks for reading anyway ;-)
8-6 19:13
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S-e-ven Posted at 8-6 17:22
Thanks, just why isn't the App changing the status, adfter switching on GPS?
It works really good, as long the phones GPS is "on", on App start.
But it does not connect to the phones GPS, in case this GPS is started AFTER the App or with the bird already in the air!
I can only surmise Fly checks the GPS status when the app is first launched, when you enter the camera view, or when a flight is initiated?  An interesting test would be start the GPS, run the app, then turn off the GPS after the drone is in flight.  Does the AOD still show data or does it switch to unavailable?  That would narrow down when it reads the GPS status.

My GPS is always on/available to any app that requests GPS service.  I assume you have Location Services disabled?  

On my phones with Go/Go4, I get either the map or radar in the lower left corner.  With my tablets I get the radar in the lower left & the map in the lower right.  With Fly I get either the map "blip" & AOD, or the map only if I open it.  Same on phone or tablet.  (all Android devices, BTW)

8-6 19:17
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Dirty Bird Posted at 8-6 19:17
I can only surmise Fly only checks the GPS status when the app is first launched, when you enter the camera view, or when a flight is initiated?  An interesting test would be start the GPS, run the app, then turn off the GPS after the drone is in flight.  Does the AOD still show data or does it switch to unavailable?  That would narrow down when it reads the GPS status.

My GPS is always on/available to any app that requests GPS service.  I assume you have Location Services disabled?  

I think you are right. It's conversely like the way that the DFly app never checks the position of the mode switch for the Ma2 at startup but instead just assumes N mode. Only after you switch it to a different positon is anything changed.
8-6 21:28
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Dirty Bird Posted at 8-6 19:17
I can only surmise Fly checks the GPS status when the app is first launched, when you enter the camera view, or when a flight is initiated?  An interesting test would be start the GPS, run the app, then turn off the GPS after the drone is in flight.  Does the AOD still show data or does it switch to unavailable?  That would narrow down when it reads the GPS status.

My GPS is always on/available to any app that requests GPS service.  I assume you have Location Services disabled?  

Yes, My GPS is only "on",  in case I wanna use it.
And you have an interesting idea: is the app just working with the devices position from starting the app and not checking on it permanently ?
What happens to the Aircraft orientation display in case the pilot moves away from the position?
I can't really imagine that the fly app is not updating the GPS position of the device/pilot during flight.
That is actually why I am wondering about that  the AOD is not coming on quickly after starting GPS.

But I think, a not updating  position during a flight would even worry me more.
I think I have to check on that.
Thanks for the idea
8-9 17:07
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