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       It's all the same incredible, it seems that DJI only has for the mavic air 2 they all do for him and for the Mini they put a little icon to say that they are doing something on it, but gentleman of DJI I think we would have preferred one (RAW can be either a tracking mode or even an Advanced parameters of the nacelle us too , you are well capable of that, because other developer can do it very well with your own drones, right?] Do not forget Mr. DJI that we too are your customers in the same way as the buyers of mavic air 2 and the mini certainly costs only 399, but 2 mavic mini clients make a mavic air 2 client.
Now I can already hear them saying 'he pays a low price for a drone and they all want more expensive drones, So I answer them first that on the one hand in what concerns me I have took the fly more at 499 euro but even 399 euro it is not cheap because not everyone necessarily has the means to buy drones at more than 1000 euro.
I wanted to go to a reputable brand I told myself that at least there will be a follow-up on the updates and well I was wrong? because gentleman the moaner who says that the mini and a low-end drone so you should not ask too much I will end by answering them that there are 'cheap' drones that have tracking mode, and RAW and all what you have in your drones has more than 1000 euro and which costs 400 euro and the manufacturer, continues to update even after more than a year after its release and has added new features other than an icon for the battery.
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8-8 04:10
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Agree with you hope that in the near future things will have changed and that dji will take into account some requests of their loyal customers within the limit of feasible of course. Or unfortunately more and more disgruntled will go to the competition.
8-8 04:50
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While we're being realistic and practical, I think "DJI" should grant children's wishes and bring them presents at Christmas.
Then they can start working on peace in the middle east.
8-8 05:14
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Labroides Posted at 8-8 05:14
While we're being realistic and practical, I think "DJI" should grant children's wishes and bring them presents at Christmas.
Then they can start working on peace in the middle east.

I notice that there is a great philosopher on this forum!
8-8 05:18
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every day the same story...
8-8 05:37
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Labroides Posted at 8-8 05:14
While we're being realistic and practical, I think "DJI" should grant children's wishes and bring them presents at Christmas.
Then they can start working on peace in the middle east.

in fact that's what I thought when I see reactions like that, you are the most reluctant because it would hurt you if DJI adds functionality that you have on your drones for more than 1000 euros while the mini does cost only 400. I'm sorry but I'm a DJI customer too even though I only have the smallest drone of the brand. Here is Mister the answer of the child
8-8 05:49
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I will end by answering them that there are 'cheap' drones that have tracking mode, and RAW

I see many users commonly post this as an argument as to why DJI should add features to the Mini.  Why not buy one of these "cheap" drones with the features that you want and if they lack anything, you can complain on their forum.  This would be a win-win-win!
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Occams Razor Posted at 8-8 06:48
I will end by answering them that there are 'cheap' drones that have tracking mode, and RAW

I see many users commonly post this as an argument as to why DJI should add features to the Mini.  Why not buy one of these "cheap" drones with the features that you want and if they lack anything, you can complain on their forum.  This would be a win-win-win!

yes indeed I think about it, like that the little people like me will leave you alone in your world to outclass or have it can not say anything if it has not at least several drones.
8-8 07:01
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Not sure about RAW is it meant power users but active tracking is among the basics for other drones and they could have allowed waypoints, not just because they could but because the Mini is the only quality <(sub)250 grams almost pocketable drone on the market, a true traveler's companion hero. That could have added an incredible level of convenience and capability unachieved not even if it rained Mavic 2 Pros from the sky, as the Mini is smaller, lighter, quiter, more portable... that counts for two when you're deciding whether you should bring a towel from home as you're preparing your trolley.
8-8 07:32
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Why not just buy one of the readily available "cheap" drones with RAW, Activetrack, & endless updates, instead of complaining that your $15,000 Ford Fiesta lacks all the accoutrements of a $65,000 F-150 Platinum?  
8-8 07:55
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m80116 Posted at 8-8 07:32
Not sure about RAW is it meant power users but active tracking is among the basics for other drones and they could have allowed waypoints, not just because they could but because the Mini is the only quality

yes I agree with you, I love my mini my goal in this review is not to say that it is worth nothing, far from it but what I cannot quite understand from DJI and that they are able to make certain quality improvement on the mini for their customers on certain points and tell us that this is not possible while they are the ones who created the mini and external developers at the same time fifteen days are capable of it?
I also want to tell those who are there to say that I am always complaining.
Remember your first dji drone
you never expect or ask for improvement on updates?
And if you would have answered the same thing as you said 'you have to buy the model more expensive than yours if you want more' when yours was capable of it, what would you think at the time?
8-8 08:06
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Ph3onix Posted at 8-8 05:49
in fact that's what I thought when I see reactions like that, you are the most reluctant because it would hurt you if DJI adds functionality that you have on your drones for more than 1000 euros while the mini does cost only 400. I'm sorry but I'm a DJI customer too even though I only have the smallest drone of the brand. Here is Mister the answer of the child

you are the most reluctant because it would hurt you if DJI adds functionality that you have on your drones for more than 1000 euros while the mini does cost only 400.
I'm not reluctant at all and whether you get your unrealistic wished fulfilled or not won't hurt me.
Some flyers who bought the cheapest DJI drone have convinced themselves that their toy drones could run the features they don't have and all they have to do is nag DJI and the "missing" features will be given to them.
They never wonder if there might be real reasons that DJI's smallest/cheapest drone can't do the things they want.
They never think that if DJI hasn't given in and granted their wishes after 8 months, maybe they never will.

The mini was never advertised with the extra features you want.
Despite constant nagging since the Mini was released, DJI hasn't delivered those features.
How long till you get the hint that they aren't coming?

It's passed time to give up and fly the drone you bought and stop whinging about what extras you want.
These stupid threads just encourage more childish and unrealistic posts.
8-8 08:09
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m80116 Posted at 8-8 07:32
Not sure about RAW is it meant power users but active tracking is among the basics for other drones and they could have allowed waypoints, not just because they could but because the Mini is the only quality

I'd like to comment about RAW.

DJI's own marketing calls the mini "The Perfect Drone to keep in your CAMERA BAG" not pocket, not travel bag, but targeted toward photographers as a smaller take anywhere portable drone.

I'm a practicing photographer and I like to keep my phone on Pro so every photo is Jpeg+RAW. While in Pro I'll leave it on auto for the point and shoot effect, but if I need to make an adjustment it's already on screen. I'm okay with jpegs on the fly but some images are worth investing time into developing and It's nice to have that functionality.

I don't always use RAW myself with my Mirrorless when it's going on IG or other social media as it's going to destroy the image anyways. I should get into the workflow of it but that's another story. It's not like a lot of the things other people have requested. It's a codec, it's a matter of dumping the RAW image before they process the image to Jpeg. It's not a "New feature to advertise" It's adding existing support for an industry wide supported format. Don't advertise to people that it's this great Mini Camera Drone and have Full Manual Control, why only Jpeg? Why have manual if it's going to be Jpeg, as DJI has said this is a "Entry Level Drone" so why not just shoot Auto?

I feel like the last thing DJI could add to the Mini would be RAW support, I know a lot want AEB but that's more of an app thing and at this rate let's take what we can get. We can do that in post or 3rd party app's that support AEB, what we can't do is generate a RAW image through an APP. Well, not without support from the Drone/Firmware. Looking at you way-points.
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Labroides Posted at 8-8 08:09
you are the most reluctant because it would hurt you if DJI adds functionality that you have on your drones for more than 1000 euros while the mini does cost only 400.
I'm not reluctant at all and whether you get your unrealistic wished fulfilled or not won't hurt me.
Some flyers who bought the cheapest DJI drone have convinced themselves that their toy drones could run the features they don't have and all they have to do is nag DJI and the "missing" features will be given to them.

Yes daddy, the next I would like to speak I would ask your permission.
8-8 08:39
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Ph3onix Posted at 8-8 08:06
yes I agree with you, I love my mini my goal in this review is not to say that it is worth nothing, far from it but what I cannot quite understand from DJI and that they are able to make certain quality improvement on the mini for their customers on certain points and tell us that this is not possible while they are the ones who created the mini and external developers at the same time fifteen days are capable of it?
I also want to tell those who are there to say that I am always complaining.
Remember your first dji drone
My first DJI drone was a Phantom 2 Vision+.  $1259 with two batteries.  The Vision+ was brand new & DJI's top of the line consumer drone when released.    The $500 Mavic Mini Fly More blows the Vision+ away in every category except top speed & wind resistance.

I expected DJI to correct any problems with the firmware & make improvements to the flight app.    I did not expect DJI to give the Vision+ all the features available on an S900 Folding Wing.

Things have come so far you really have no idea how good you've got it with a Mini.  The Vision+ RC range was 800 meters compared to 4000 meters for a Mini.  There was a 1080, 12 megabit, camera with a majorly fisheye lens.  Night time camera performance was terrible.  You couldn't even set an RTH altitude.  It was fixed at 20 meters so, if you were in a situation where you might get disconnected, you had to plan ahead & make sure to stay high enough to clear any obstacles.   $1259!

You're living in good times.  Enjoy your Mini!
8-8 08:51
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Did I forget to mention a PANO function? That is a terrific tourist pocket camera feature to have, to which most smartphones have accustomed us to have.

The SDK has allowed some freedom so that someday we could get a bracketing HDR Pano or discrete bracketed pictures. But a basic pano function will never be a pathetic addition to the Fly app.

It takes ma a while to create a pano, beyond the effort... I've seen a video of Kilian Eisenegger's app doing that on iOS and the Mini it's blistering fast during capture, by the time I am at about 20% and my brain is fuming the auto capture of the app is already done, and you can concentrate on your next shoot while the app is working for you.

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Way I read your original posting is:
I wanted a Porsche 911 Turbo S, but like most people couldn't afford it.  
I subttled for a 718 Cayman, expecting firmware updates to turn it into 911 Carrera S.

Expecting DJI to add wish features to a product is unrealistic.

8-8 09:03
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Dirty Bird Posted at 8-8 08:51
My first DJI drone was a Phantom 2 Vision+.  $1259 with two batteries.  The Vision+ was brand new & DJI's top of the line consumer drone when released.    The $500 Mavic Mini Fly More blows the Vision+ away in every category except top speed & wind resistance.

I expected DJI to correct any problems with the firmware & make improvements to the flight app.    I did not expect DJI to give the Vision+ all the features available on an S900 Folding Wing.

Thank you for your constructive response, the mini is a good drone even if some people consider it a toy, I suspected that the title would provoke some negative or constructive responses depending on the point of view, in my thread what I wanted to know this is why DJI tells us that it is impossible when the developers have managed to do something in a short time on certain points. here it is all
8-8 09:09
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No... it's like asking why my Audi has the auto fold-in mirrors DISABLE bit enabled (on remote lock) ? The short answer is because Volkswagen decided you were not worthy of the function not having paid premium Porsche price.

And please stop making unrealistic comparisons as allowing (unless proved on the contrary) RAW support or waypoints would be as easy as flipping a switch for DJI. Fair enough for active track as it is a remote function managed by the MD, leave 3d parties to deal with it (since there's not even additional distance sensors to rely upon).

And anyway the question still stands because it's a not a price tied function but rather inbred into the product and Mavic Mini is UNIQUE in its category. There are various occasions where the Mini is the only convenient drone you can have, and many factors play in its favor (beyond price): size, weigh, regulations...
8-8 09:11
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m80116 Posted at 8-8 09:11
No... it's like asking why my Audi has the auto fold-in mirrors DISABLE bit enabled (on remote lock) ? The short answer is because Volkswagen decided you were not worthy of the function not having paid premium Porsche price.

And please stop making unrealistic comparisons as allowing (unless proved on the contrary) RAW support or waypoints would be as easy as flipping a switch for DJI. Fair enough for active track as it is a remote function managed by the MD, leave 3d parties to deal with it (since there's not even additional distance sensors to rely upon).

I am not talking about waypoints but the little progress in a short time
8-8 09:18
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So at the sight of some condescending comments I'll go for a ride on the forum for the Mavic pro etc... and those who are not satisfied I will tell them buy the Inspire 2 Cinema Premium
8-8 09:20
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Ph3onix Posted at 8-8 09:09
Thank you for your constructive response, the mini is a good drone even if some people consider it a toy, I suspected that the title would provoke some negative or constructive responses depending on the point of view, in my thread what I wanted to know this is why DJI tells us that it is impossible when the developers have managed to do something in a short time on certain points. here it is all
I believe it is because DJI knows the Mini is aimed at rookie pilots & casual photographers who mostly want a simple, easy to use, point & shoot drone, at a reasonable price.  The Mini offers all of these things.  

But rookie pilots tend to make lots of mistakes, like flying in conditions beyond the Mini's limits.  How many threads do we see about a new guy losing a Mini in the wind?  If DJI adds Activetrack, a feature that doesn't work all that reliably even on the high-end drones, it will just be that many more opportunities for inexperienced operators to crash.

I believe DJI opened some things up in the SDK for third party apps, but they don't want the headache & responsibility of including them in the native app.  
8-8 09:23
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Since everyone here is driving a Porsche or an Audi, I see that I have nothing to do but keep quiet because I ride a bicycle.
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Ph3onix Posted at 8-8 09:23
Since everyone here is driving a Porsche or an Audi, I see that I have nothing to do but keep quiet because I ride a bicycle.
Not at all.  But it is unreasonable to demand your bicycle be made to perform like a Porche.
8-8 09:27
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What are those tears ? Bicycles rock !

I ride a bicycle (of the Mountainous variety, i.e. a MTB) and the Mavic Mini is the only drone I'd keep on my back while cycling. And no... I wouldn't bring a Mavic 2 Pro on my back not even if they'd offer one free of charge. Can you now understand why I'd love a basic function of active tracking for my Mini?
8-8 09:31
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Dirty Bird Posted at 8-8 09:27
Not at all.  But it is unreasonable to demand your bicycle be made to perform like a Porche.

No, but I have a good calf and I go almost faster than the granny near me with her scooter
8-8 09:35
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m80116 Posted at 8-8 09:31
What are those tears ? Bicycles rock !

I ride a bicycle (of the Mountainous variety, i.e. a MTB) and the Mavic Mini is the only drone I'd keep on my back while cycling. And no... I wouldn't bring a Mavic 2 Pro on my back not even if they'd offer one free of charge. Can you now understand why I'd love a basic function of active tracking for my Mini?

yes I understand well, me too
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m80116 Posted at 8-8 09:31
What are those tears ? Bicycles rock !

I ride a bicycle (of the Mountainous variety, i.e. a MTB) and the Mavic Mini is the only drone I'd keep on my back while cycling. And no... I wouldn't bring a Mavic 2 Pro on my back not even if they'd offer one free of charge. Can you now understand why I'd love a basic function of active tracking for my Mini?
This is why DJI doesn't include Activetrack on the Mini.  The expectations are just too high.  Even the Mavic Air 2 with Activetrack 3.0, & the Skydio 2, a drone specifically designed to auto track targets, both fail in a typical mountainbike tracking scenario.  Big open landscape with few obstacles, works great.  Through the forest, forget it.



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TBH if you'd ask me (and I notice nobody does) the MA2 active tracking is a BEAST... yet people want a drone to track them down inside a water duct or through a packed forest. Those are CRAZY people... they wouldn't stand a chance with anything else other than an automated drone, they'd crash the drone themselves if manually piloted.

P.S.: by they way... they've given us "the cage"... I don't know what feature can take down more Mavic Mini(s), if the dreaded cage used outside just beucase it's safe, or active tracking (had they given it to us).

8-8 11:16
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Waaah Waaah Waaah ....
For 500 dollars (400 pounds), you get a  Ground Breaking Drone, that from 2021 will dodge between so many raindrops when it comes to regulations...
The ONLY drone to be allowed to overfly uninvolved people, without the need for hardcore professional accreditation, and be allowed to get right up to buildings, including overfly them, even if the top of the building is over 400 from GL, providing you stay within 15 meters above the highest point.
The Mini can fly nearly 30mph!, Even the CE version has been proven to to be able to fly  over 1.5 MILES away from the controller, in STOCK config.   MILES!! How much further do you want!?
The Mini can fly 'admittedly illegally' up to over 1600 feet above ground level, with a proven atmospheric service ceiling in excess of 12 THOUSAND feet above sea level.
It has a THREE Axis gimbal that is rock solid, AMAZING Video & Photo footage, where the final results punch well above its weight!
The Camera HAS been updated with newer firmware, giving manual control over the Video & photo parameters, including the magical 24fps.
And with the SDK now out, companies like Lichi will probably get the Mini to do even more amazing things. - Including a 'beta' demontration of basic active tracking.

But what about .. Lightspeed & antigravity, teleportation, and  waypoints etc etc etc..  For crying out loud, stop being so winey! -  The Mini is Brilliant, and you know it! - Accept it for what it is, and enjoy what it CAN do, which is a hell of a lot more than ANY other drone in its size class.

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Just get the Mavic Air 2.  It takes a bigger processor and RAM as well as other components to add certain features.  If they've designed the Mini to be under 249g then they cannot make it house bigger components that would make it go over.  Electrical engineering is done so well that we don't see the workings.  We just see the results but the results are because the electrical components exist so if they don't or incapable of handling and overdriven beyond what they can do safely then it can malfunction, die, and crash.  You have to add better cooling to make it not overheat, makes it go over 249g.
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Releasing the groundbreaking (heaven forbid;-) Mini has created a whole can of worms for DJI. Before that most owners of their products knew the limitations and either were willing to pay for the best or were not and settled for their second best. But with the Mini, a whole new group of novices has emerged (like me) who have no field of reference regarding drones at all. I am biding my time before expressing any disappointment with either of mine. Way too early.
8-8 20:37
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Dirty Bird Posted at 8-8 07:55
Why not just buy one of the readily available "cheap" drones with RAW, Activetrack, & endless updates, instead of complaining that your $15,000 Ford Fiesta lacks all the accoutrements of a $65,000 F-150 Platinum?

Those things are software changes the op requested. You car example is totally invalid.
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Guorium Posted at 8-8 22:26
Those things are software changes the op requested. You car example is totally invalid.


Those things are software changes the op requested. You car example is totally invalid.

And of course the new Mini flyers are the technical experts with a complete understanding of how easy it would be for DJI to give them what they are asking for.
I don't know whay DJI bother to employ design engineers, there are so many much better qualified Mini flyers that they could use.
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Guorium Posted at 8-8 22:26
Those things are software changes the op requested. You car example is totally invalid.
The P3 Standard could record 1080 x 60 fps.  Never happened.

The P3 Advanced could record 4K.  Never happened.

Just sofware.

The Mini has been out for over 9 months.  No RAW.  No Activetrack.   If these things are truly important & necessary, I'd suggest considering a Mavic Air 2.
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I welcome Mini, as it is now.
I knew when I bought the Mini, its limitations were known.Value for money is very good !!!!!!!
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GaryDoug Posted at 8-8 20:37
Releasing the groundbreaking (heaven forbid;-) Mini has created a whole can of worms for DJI. Before that most owners of their products knew the limitations and either were willing to pay for the best or were not and settled for their second best. But with the Mini, a whole new group of novices has emerged (like me) who have no field of reference regarding drones at all. I am biding my time before expressing any disappointment with either of mine. Way too early.

Is the Mini your only DJI drone?  If so, you should really consider a Mavic Air 2.  Seriously, if you enjoy the Mini, you will absolutely love the MA2.  Takes things to an entirely different level.  Hard to believe what you get for only $988.
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Hi Ph3onix, thanks for your feedback and suggestions, we'll forward it to the related team.
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There you go.
Congratulations ..You got a response from a moderator who said:  
   thanks for your feedback and suggestions, we'll forward it to the related team
That's the DJI way of telling you that no-one there cares at all for your request and nothing will be done about it.
It's official now.
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