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Grantbach
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Hey! So I was looking on the map of dji's no fly zones which has 'warning areas' and 'airports' not to mention a few special areas. I understand not taking off and not being able to land at airports but at some of the 'warnng areas' the circles are greatly off sized. They like stretch off of the actuall area like the national park. I read an article http://wiki.dji.com/en/index.php ... ts_and_No-Fly_Zones

But It still wasent clear. Could someone still explain what would happen If I tried to take off in or fly into one of the orangey yellow 'warning zones' listed here?

http://flysafe.dji.com/no-fly
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Not a question you should even have to ask! Stay away from airports...period!
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No! Duh stay from airports! I get that. I'm talking bout the 'warning areas' Like natl parks that are way too big and cover my house that's out of the park.
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Grantbach Posted at 2015-6-29 08:26
No! Duh stay from airports! I get that. I'm talking bout the 'warning areas' Like natl parks that ar ...

I'd say if you were close to the Park boundary you might fall into the graduated area that runs off from boundaries. It is meant to keep the copters low when close to parks etc, and gradually let you increase height as you fly away from the boundary. Not a real help with your problem, but I think I have that right as to the reason.
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I guess I could just try it out... but I would actually love to know from someone with experience flying near/barely in one of the orange 'warning zones' listed here: http://flysafe.dji.com/no-fly
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L8again Posted at 2015-6-29 08:15
Not a question you should even have to ask! Stay away from airports...period!

It's time to start the thread of being able to override the restrictions when I have an FAA Exemption and authorization to fly within the area from the Tower operator. There are actually alot of these circumstances where the commercial property is close to an airport (cheap land).
I've done my part by getting my Exemption and am a pilot. Now I want to throw a switch and ease my pain of incomplete firmware.
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You can fly over the national parks but you cannot launch or land on them.  Until they change the rules, the FAA still owns the airspace.  You may get hassled but you cannot get prosecuted...right now.
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Grantbach Posted at 2015-6-29 08:26
No! Duh stay from airports! I get that. I'm talking bout the 'warning areas' Like natl parks that ar ...

I misunderstood you. I would check with the park rangers, or other officials just to be on the safe side though.
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As I understand it... You CAN operate your drone near an airport if you contact the airport authorities and describe your specific planned operation and get permission in advance.

However the firmware in your DJI drone may prevent the drone from flying near an airport.  (Unless you put aluminum foil over the GPS and defeat the GPS system.)
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skyvideoct Posted at 2015-7-8 05:13
It's time to start the thread of being able to override the restrictions when I have an FAA Exempt ...

Yes, I agree. the app software should have a way to defeat it.  I was kept away from an area  (night time fireworks) that was within an airport airspace. Airport was closed during the display. I am a commercial pilot with CFIIMEI ratings. Shouldn't need to even get the exemption for that flight.
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http://wiki.dji.com/en/index.php ... ts_and_No-Fly_Zones

This states there are no restrictions in warning areas. You get a warning notification on the app. This link resembles the owner's manual, so it should be there too
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Othan1 Posted at 2015-7-7 17:28
You can fly over the national parks but you cannot launch or land on them.  Until they change the ru ...

I've seen this a lot and I'm highly suspicious that the law is not really written that way. A smart move is to NOT fly over national parks, period. I'd hate to be the guy the park ranger cites and you suddenly become the "test case" and spend thousands of dollars in court defending an opinion.

I'm not an attorney, but "...I didn't take off *in* the park, I was only flying *over* the park...." sounds pretty thin.

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aburkefl@gmail. Posted at 2015-9-28 21:02
I've seen this a lot and I'm highly suspicious that the law is not really written that way. A smar ...

No He said/She siad.  Show the flight logs.

The laws will change but, yes, because of the authorities involved (Nat'l park service's land/FAA's Air) it is a little wonky.  

I wasn't going to provide my opinion but mine is the same, Stay away from them altogether but never be afraid to ask the local Park Ranger if he wanted to see how a quad could help him during his work.

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aburkefl@gmail. Posted at 2015-9-28 09:02
I've seen this a lot and I'm highly suspicious that the law is not really written that way. A smar ...

Florida state parks have the same law...  Cannot takeoff/land but there isnt a restriction for flying over.
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A “warning zone” has been set around the Restricted Area. When the aircraft approaches within 0.6 miles (1 km) of this zone, a warning message will appear on the DJI Pilot app.
Fly the aircraft only within your line of sight
Restricted blinking area
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You can't restrict flying over the parks.  It is done all the time.  Ever fly over Yellowstone?  Plenty of people fly over parks in airplanes.

BTW, we have a Natl Monument here.  I'm pretty sure it is treated the same as the parks for flying.  I have flown at the Monument boundary, taking off about 25 feet from it, and flew up 400 feet, just to take a few pictures and get a good look around the edge of town.  I'd love to do a POI, but the monument is over 400 feet high, so it wouldn't be too practical.  
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L8again Posted at 2015-6-28 17:15
Not a question you should even have to ask! Stay away from airports...period!

Many small airports are Class G, which is uncontrolled airspace. It is legal and safe to fly in these areas even when close to airports. The max legal AGL for drones is 400." With the exception of final and departure pattern legs, the airport standard pattern is 1000' AGL. The zones set by DJI go beyond the FAA regs which blocks the use of their drones in space that is legal and authorized by the FAA. I have my Private pilots certificate and also have a remote pilot's certificate, yet I cannot fly any DJI drones in airspace that is not only safe, but legal. If you are planning on using your drone for commercial work and will be hired to do so in the areas DJI chooses to block, I would recommend having at least one drone from another company. You can work with DJI to get access to these areas, but it is a pain and completely unneccssary.
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Hello all, just wondering lately i have been getting lots of Fly Zones Warning messages fly with caution and I do check the options and fly. I know there might be helicopters touring a city at sunset. Of course i never flew over 200ft. In other words, Can you still fly but fly responsible ? Thanks for the advice.
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crpaulk Posted at 2016-10-12 08:31
Many small airports are Class G, which is uncontrolled airspace. It is legal and safe to fly in th ...

Agreed... 100%

My next drone will not be DJI. Just for the reasons stated. If they want to geofence the airspace then it should be to the legal codes of said airspace.
Not some phony system DJI envisions. Nor do I want to email China and ask permissions, when  maybe they might get back to me if I provide a bunch of documents.and wait a few weeks

These DJI drones are toys not tools.... Accept that and enjoy them for what they are..... When it comes time to go make money..... Go get a real bird
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AlaskanTides Posted at 2016-11-6 15:46
Agreed... 100%

My next drone will not be DJI. Just for the reasons stated. If they want to geofen ...

The NFZ mapping is not done by DJI. It is done by an international company that specialises in mapping these zones by gathering information from various agencies around the world. And DJI are not the only drone manufacturer who are implementing geofencing.
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AlaskanTides Posted at 2016-11-6 12:46
Agreed... 100%

My next drone will not be DJI. Just for the reasons stated. If they want to geofen ...

I don't know if you would call the Phantom series of drones toys.. I've flown a lot of quad copters and there are a lot of cheaply made cheaply feeling quads out there. I wouldn't say the Phantom is something you would want to make money off of with but I think its far from a toy.

Regardless back on topic, The Geofencing is there for a reason. Even if you are in an area with an airport with no ATC it doesn't make it safe to be flying close to one. Just go away from it and fly some where else. I have to.
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Geebax Posted at 2016-11-6 13:05
The NFZ mapping is not done by DJI. It is done by an international company that specialises in map ...

1) I don't care who created the database for geofencing..... DJI chose to implement it into their hardware.
  Therefore you can't separate DJI somehow from the firmware they choose to use.

2) The geofence firmware you speak of is only in consumer grade drones... so saying all drone manufactures   implement it,  is far from the truth.
Last I knew even DJI quits implementing it at just above the Matrice line up.

In my opinion thats no accident...High end commercial users aren't going to tolerate it. That market it has the money to  buy elsewhere or even custom build...

Im not saying Geo fence is bad (not in the consumer market)..... I am however saying that it is a big turn off to commercial operators,  and it is also one of the many ways you can immediately spot a consumer grade product as compared to a pro grade product...

I have many specs to send you to prove my point if you like... but i do think that is beyond the scope of this forum.






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user81fdc3a5e3 Posted at 2016-11-6 22:31
I don't know if you would call the Phantom series of drones toys.. I've flown a lot of quad copter ...

It is important for you to understand that when I say toy,,,, I am referring to it having a very limited usablilty for  commercial applications.. (thus its something you fly for enjoyment).

A phantom (all DJI drones really) are an engineering marvel... The amount of technology you get for the amount you spend is phenomenal

However at the end of the day  with a phantom, you have  4k Video and and a 12MP camera.
What you see is what you get.. Any upgrades you do are going to be costly and severely limited by payload capacity. (not to mention warranty voiding).. if you care about that.

Complicating matters further is the fact that you are geofenced and can not operate in some of the areas you need to  as a commercial operator... (area's such as oil refineries are power plants)
This even effects realtors in subdivisions near Airports.. This was already stated by others who are educated on airspace in other post.

Some of these area's are legal and safe to operate...
However geofence prohibits it unless you send in written authorization and wait a few weeks.

Writing you a permission note and dealing with this type of thing... is also something a lot of class G airports are not equipped nor willing to do by the way.

Im glad you have the option to just go away and fly somewhere else...  The phantom sounds like a perfect bird for you're needs.

Just please try and remember though... A lot of guys that are licensed  to do this type of thing for a living shouldn't have to turn down a job and go elsewhere if they are following the proper procedures...

And that is what Im referring to when I say toy.....AKA  not up for the task of commercial use.




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AlaskanTides Posted at 2016-11-8 14:21
1) I don't care who created the database for geofencing..... DJI chose to implement it into their  ...

If you want to reply to me, then please get your quote straight. I did not at any time say all drone manufacturers were implementing it, I said DJI are not the only one. There was an agreement among at least 3 of the major consumer drones manufacturers to implement geofencing, including DJI and Yuneec, and at least one more who I cannot remember. I also do not believe DJI wanted to employ geofencing, rather I think they were told to regulate their hobby in relation to NFZs, or the government would regulate it for them.

'Not some phony system DJI envisions.' DJI do not decide what locations or airports are in the system, but if you point out a silly one to them they will contact the provider, or give you contact details for them.

You are probably not wrong in observing that tDJI do not implement it in higher end machines, and the probable reason is the people buying and using higher end machines are more likely to be responsible in their observance of restricted areas.

And for the vast number of NFZs out there you do not have to apply to DJI and provide documents or any such thing, it is a simple self-authorisation process you can do on-line.







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AlaskanTides Posted at 2016-11-8 11:21
1) I don't care who created the database for geofencing..... DJI chose to implement it into their  ...

Even commercial users have to follow the law. If you think that just because they get paid for doing what they do that they can some how beat the law then you are wrong.

Now i'm sure that a professional operator could get the geo fencing removed but still they have to follow the law.

And by the way there are lot of toy grade quads that don't have geofencing. IMO all quadcopters that have GPS should have it.  
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user81fdc3a5e3 Posted at 2016-11-8 21:46
Even commercial users have to follow the law. If you think that just because they get paid for doi ...

Now you're reaching....

I never said that commercial users don't have to follow the law.... However the laws they have to follow are different then the ones you do.
They have studied and have taken a test  to prove knowlege  regaurding  airspace, weather theory,  aerodynamics, airport operations, weight and balance, drone law, privacy and ethic guidlines and a host of other things you're not qualified to understand.
in short they are qualified to do things you are not, as long as they abide by FAA regulations .... and no geofencing is not a law.... A lot of folks way more qualified then you decided that (so you might as well SITFU and get over that one).
if you can not understand what I'm saying, after all this discussion.. Well I can't help you. you can only show a guy how too tie his shoes in so many different ways.

Good luck and safe flying


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AlaskanTides Posted at 2016-11-9 09:54
Now you're reaching....

I never said that commercial users don't have to follow the law.... Howeve ...

I never said Geofencing is a law but if you're not allowed to fly there by law then no you're not allowed to fly there geofencing or not. BTW Eat a snickers and untwist those panties.
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user81fdc3a5e3 Posted at 2016-11-8 22:51
I never said Geofencing is a law but if you're not allowed to fly there by law then no you're not  ...

I had no idea that National parks had any restrictions, until lately,
I walked though a huge park up here, & asked one of the rangers if I could fly around for an hour. Told me to "go over that fence" to take off, he was showing me the fence separating the park form a farmers field. I got the farmers permission & fly happily for 2 batteries, all over the park.
Then, about a week ago , same routine, jump the fence, get my P3A ready, I;m like 2 feet from the fence line, take off & at about 100 ' I get a warning- about a no fly zone, at 150' warning goes away & never came back.
Still flying this beautiful park today, no more warnings, have no idea why!
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I live within 1 mile from a small airport.  With previous versions of the Go App i used to get a warning but i haven't seen that warning in a while.
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Philly Phantom Posted at 2016-11-10 21:46
I live within 1 mile from a small airport.  With previous versions of the Go App i used to get a war ...

Do you have Geo on?
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I haven't changed any Geo Settings so whatever the default is thats where its set.
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Philly Phantom Posted at 2016-11-11 22:27
I haven't changed any Geo Settings so whatever the default is thats where its set.

Do you recall if you updated the app recently? You may want to check that it's still enabled. In addition, if you don't have the aircraft connected, the map may not show an accurate depiction of the no fly zones.
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fans987d278a Posted at 2016-11-9 10:17
I had no idea that National parks had any restrictions, until lately,
I walked though a huge park ...

provincial parks as well
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DJI-Jamie Posted at 2016-11-12 05:01
Do you recall if you updated the app recently? You may want to check that it's still enabled. In a ...

I updated yesterday but haven't flown yet.  Where are the Geo setting in the app?
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Philly Phantom Posted at 2016-11-12 23:49
I updated yesterday but haven't flown yet.  Where are the Geo setting in the app?

It would be in the General Setting section of the Go app.
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DJI-Jamie Posted at 2016-11-13 02:47
It would be in the General Setting section of the Go app.

I see that red circle on the map now.  I know how close i can get to the airport when the warning comes up so i wont go beyond that.
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Philly Phantom Posted at 2016-11-13 06:31
I see that red circle on the map now.  I know how close i can get to the airport when the warning  ...

Good to hear.
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L8again Posted at 2015-6-28 16:15
Not a question you should even have to ask! Stay away from airports...period!

I fly at airports. With permission.
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