Montfrooij Posted at 11-4 12:22
True.
I'm only complaining it is not enough.
Or at least not going to make a difference.

It’s a toss up between cases and the economy. Our government seems to favour the economy.

What’s frustrating is more and more people we know who are double vaccinated are now getting it, including SHMBO’d brother.   He’s a teacher but didn’t get it at school. Got it on holiday.

Montfrooij Posted at 11-4 12:22
True.
I'm only complaining it is not enough.
Or at least not going to make a difference.

I feel like that with most measures.  Even under the lockdowns there wasn’t enough enforcement here.  

DAFlys Posted at 11-4 12:33
It’s a toss up between cases and the economy. Our government seems to favour the economy.

What’s frustrating is more and more people we know who are double vaccinated are now getting it, including SHMBO’d brother.   He’s a teacher but didn’t get it at school. Got it on holiday.

True.
That's what I'm thinking. Betting on the wrong horse.

DAFlys Posted at 11-4 12:40
I feel like that with most measures.  Even under the lockdowns there wasn’t enough enforcement here.

It is the only thing that really makes a difference, but is not sustainable for many.

Montfrooij Posted at 11-4 13:22
True.
That's what I'm thinking. Betting on the wrong horse.

Betting on money but deaths. Indeed.

Montfrooij Posted at 11-4 13:22
It is the only thing that really makes a difference, but is not sustainable for many.

I dispair at the attitude of some.  

DAFlys Posted at 11-4 13:27
Betting on money but deaths. Indeed.

True.

Hope that pill they are developing brings some relief.

DAFlys Posted at 11-4 13:29
I dispair at the attitude of some.

I agree, although I also feel it is not a real solution.
As vaccination also seems not to be.
(makes sense looking at how they are doing with vaccination against the flu)

Montfrooij Posted at 11-4 13:29
True.

Hope that pill they are developing brings some relief.

Hmm.  It’s another tool for sure but not the utopia.

Montfrooij Posted at 11-4 13:32
I agree, although I also feel it is not a real solution.
As vaccination also seems not to be.
(makes sense looking at how they are doing with vaccination against the flu)

We’re at 87% population vaccinated but it’s not enough how people are now behaving sadly.

DAFlys Posted at 11-4 13:42
Hmm.  It’s another tool for sure but not the utopia.

Anything to bring relief to the healthcare system.

DAFlys Posted at 11-4 13:43
We’re at 87% population vaccinated but it’s not enough how people are now behaving sadly.

I think nothing will be enough with the current population.
This is a mutating virus that is very infections.
No vaccination can stop that.

Montfrooij Posted at 11-4 23:50
Anything to bring relief to the healthcare system.

Indeed they will let people use it at home.

Montfrooij Posted at 11-4 23:50
I think nothing will be enough with the current population.
This is a mutating virus that is very infections.
No vaccination can stop that.

I saw that the CDC has found it can also transmit back and forth to animal now too,   especially deer.

DAFlys Posted at 11-5 00:26
Indeed they will let people use it at home.

That is the main thing I think.
Prevent people from getting that ill.
So anything that helps is a bonus .

DAFlys Posted at 11-5 00:33
I saw that the CDC has found it can also transmit back and forth to animal now too,   especially deer.

We really have to find a 'livable' way to live with this.
But I'm afraid it means that 'those who have bad luck' will have just that.

Montfrooij Posted at 11-5 00:36
That is the main thing I think.
Prevent people from getting that ill.
So anything that helps is a bonus .

Drs here have been prescribing anti biotic for mild cases in vaxed people just in case,  which was news to me.

Montfrooij Posted at 11-5 00:39
We really have to find a 'livable' way to live with this.
But I'm afraid it means that 'those who have bad luck' will have just that.

I was reading last night that they have discovered a gene which makes you more prone to it.

DAFlys Posted at 11-5 00:56
Drs here have been prescribing anti biotic for mild cases in vaxed people just in case,  which was news to me.

Wow. Why would they do that?

DAFlys Posted at 11-5 00:57
I was reading last night that they have discovered a gene which makes you more prone to it.

I'm leaning towards the idea that we will have to live with the idea we can't fix it all.
But unfortunately we will try to fix everything, breaking even more in the process.

Montfrooij Posted at 11-5 01:10
Wow. Why would they do that?

Precautions against chest infections. SHMBO'd brother who has had both vaccines currently has it and he's suffering with it from what we've heard.

Montfrooij Posted at 11-5 01:11
I'm leaning towards the idea that we will have to live with the idea we can't fix it all.
But unfortunately we will try to fix everything, breaking even more in the process.

Well the surge in EU just got a mention on the american news this morning,  so the world is watching what they do.

DAFlys Posted at 11-5 01:17
Precautions against chest infections. SHMBO'd brother who has had both vaccines currently has it and he's suffering with it from what we've heard.

So more like preventing other things.
I get that.

DAFlys Posted at 11-5 01:19
Well the surge in EU just got a mention on the american news this morning,  so the world is watching what they do.

Yes, bad numbers.
But as I said.
I'm really thinking this one is too big for us to 'fix'.
Nature has perfect ways of dealing with this.
Although that will force us to think differently about many things regarding life and death.
Which won't happen, I'm sure.

Montfrooij Posted at 11-5 01:20
So more like preventing other things.
I get that.

Yes,  they are only doing it for people which have been vaccinated though,   they also got him a blood oxygen sensor and told him what there reading should not drop below, and if it did he was to call 999

Montfrooij Posted at 11-5 01:21
Yes, bad numbers.
But as I said.
I'm really thinking this one is too big for us to 'fix'.

The attitude here is its your own personal responsibility,  so if your not vac'd and you get ill thats on you.

DAFlys Posted at 11-5 01:28
Yes,  they are only doing it for people which have been vaccinated though,   they also got him a blood oxygen sensor and told him what there reading should not drop below, and if it did he was to call 999

Now that is comforting (not)

Montfrooij Posted at 11-5 02:38
Now that is comforting (not)

Not really,   

DAFlys Posted at 11-5 01:33
The attitude here is its your own personal responsibility,  so if your not vac'd and you get ill thats on you.

Even though I did get my jabs, I think you really can't say this.
Of course it will help a little (vaccination) but I think that 95% (that is not an exact percentage, just for ease of typing) of the people don't need it, as it won't stop people from getting infected or spreading even.
And with the high numbers these days I really think it won't make much of a difference in the longer run.

We have a perfectly capable immune system to fight this. At least most people have.
The other 5% can benefit from booster vaccination, but the rest will be almost as good with or without.
The only difference in the longer run that they have proof of, is the T-Cells, which are trained after a first infection or  vaccination.
That helps.

But after that it is not helping enough to make these bold statements based on being vaccinated or not.
From how I see it, you either have bad luck or not. (genes etc.)
And if you do, you need all the help you can get and a yearly booster to keep you system as well trained as you can.
But not for 95% I think it is a waste of resources and not something you can use as the key to enter somewhere.
Clearly, it does not help, looking at the numbers.

DAFlys Posted at 11-5 02:40
Not really,

I hope they will be ok.

Montfrooij Posted at 11-5 02:50
I hope they will be ok.

We've not had the daily update yet.

DAFlys Posted at 11-5 02:55
We've not had the daily update yet.

Fingers crossed.

Montfrooij Posted at 11-5 03:01
Fingers crossed.

thanks.   

DAFlys Posted at 11-5 03:05
thanks.