FPV Manual -- Flight #7
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Back to “normal”, and some clarity.
  
  
I re-set the screws for the right stick all the way back out. Then I tightened down the F2 screw for the throttle, as the almighty Machine had instructed. I took off and got up to my 300 ft switchover point, and went into Manual. A few seconds later, I hit the Brake to get back to Normal mode, and everything was…well…normal. So back into Manual mode for more putzing around.
  
  
I think I’ve figured out the cause for the right control stick weirdness that I saw on the last flight, and if I’m right, it had nothing to do with the friction on the right stick.
  
  
I’m still getting that “Remote Controller Control Stick Error”, but it’s intermittent. I’m going to try re-calibrating the RC, and see if that makes any difference. I would think it would tell me if that’s what it wanted, since it seems to know my mother’s maiden name, but perhaps not. Suggestions?
  
  
When I was zipping around in Sport mode before moving to Manual, I would sometimes lose the control signal very suddenly. By then I had also gotten a flight sense (vs an intellectual sense) for how long it takes it to stop from a full speed Sport mode run. After one “lost signal” RTH, when the video came back on-line, the drone was moving toward a rock ridge at a much lower elevation than I wanted. I’m not 100% sure it would have cleared the ridge. I brought it home without incident, but in response I increased the RTH altitude substantially, to 300 meters, as insurance against the possibility that it would lose signal, and drift into a canyon, before pointing home for the RTH…pointing right at the canyon wall. Problem solved.
  
  
Since then, I’ve pretty thoroughly imprinted in my brain a 3D map of where I can go without losing signal. I haven’t triggered a “lost signal” RTH in a long time. Now, I’m fighting with an overly conservative “low battery” auto RTH. This happened again this flight, and I watched the behavior carefully. Sure enough, I couldn’t get it to come home…but now I think I know why.
  
  
It won’t let me move the drone laterally until it gets to it’s RTH altitude! In Sport mode, I had it set at 300 meters, which would almost certainly climb it out of any canyon, clear of the rim, in the case of a “lost signal” RTH, with a braking drift into a canyon.
  
  
But I’m not doing any ridge running or canyon diving in Manual mode. Well, at least not intentionally! For the more restricted locations where I’m flying in Manual mode, a 100-meter RTH setting will work just fine. I’ll try that on my next flight. That’s my “reference altitude” for Manual mode anyhow, so if it does go into it’s demonically possessed low battery RTH, it will stop climbing quickly, and just start coming home.
  
  
I ended up landing…without incident…with only 5% battery reserves left, which is lower than I’d like. But The Machine concludes that it can’t make it home, and tries to land, when it can actually make it home just fine. It wouldn’t let me climb at all in that condition, until I got very close to home, and then it would let me climb a little, enough to make a smooth landing. Does the RTH routine dynamically decide how much it will let you climb, based on where you are relative to the home point? That would be cool if true, but I didn’t expect that.
  
  
The turning sluggishness is abating, as I coordinate the turns more, and turn more aggressively. But it still seems to respond like a barge when I’m trying to turn. Probably some latent expectation on my part of a background auto-stabilization process, which is gone in Manual mode.
  
  
Overall, my feel for the controls has improved enough that I pushed it up to 82 mph, and flew at that speed in a mostly controlled manner for a bit. Loud sucker! But as I expected, my brain is continuing to discover and integrate the right way to combine the stick motions, to get the aircraft motion that I want in response. The translation between a combination of thrust and attitude, to get an aircraft response, is starting to emerge, and gel.
  
  
Probably my last FPV Manual for today, what with breaking the 80-mph barrier. Besides, my Minis are feeling neglected! Can’t have that!
  
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Hello there Chaosrider. Good day and thank you for sharing these interesting information with us. Have a safe and a happy flying always.
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Quite interesting.  

Don't neglect the Minis.  
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DowntownRDB Posted at 6-8 03:43
Quite interesting.  

Don't neglect the Minis.

I took my Mini-SE out yesterday for some nice, sedate, STABILIZED flying!

It was great, but it did seem indescribably slow...

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Chaosrider Posted at 6-8 06:57
I took my Mini-SE out yesterday for some nice, sedate, STABILIZED flying!

It was great, but it did seem indescribably slow...

After flying the DJI FPV I have no doubt the Mini SE feels like it is in slo-mo.  
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DowntownRDB Posted at 6-9 05:21
After flying the DJI FPV I have no doubt the Mini SE feels like it is in slo-mo.

Yeah, I've had the same effect on motorcycles. If I bomb along at 80 mph for a while, and then I have to slow down to 45 mph because of a town or something, it feels like a crawl.

And 25 mph feels like dead stopped!

My biggest problem with my -SE (same problem on the Mini-1), is the incessant tendency of the video on the screen to lock-up for a couple of seconds, and then jump forward. It's profoundly annoying. And it's weird because they didn't used to do that. I don't know what changed.

My Mini-2s don't to it.

Weird.

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Chaosrider Posted at 6-9 06:43
Yeah, I've had the same effect on motorcycles. If I bomb along at 80 mph for a while, and then I have to slow down to 45 mph because of a town or something, it feels like a crawl.

And 25 mph feels like dead stopped!

I passed my Mini and Mini 2 down to my grandson.  I'll have to check with him and see if he has noticed any screen lock-ups recently.  I know before I passed them down I didn't notice any but it's been a while since I have flown either of those 2.  Every time DJI releases a firmware update I hope that it fixed more things than it broke.  

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Chaosrider Posted at 6-9 06:43
Yeah, I've had the same effect on motorcycles. If I bomb along at 80 mph for a while, and then I have to slow down to 45 mph because of a town or something, it feels like a crawl.

And 25 mph feels like dead stopped!

I never had that issue with the P2V+ or the Mavic Pro but have occasionally had the video freeze up, then delayed choppy on everything after...spark, MA, MA2, M2Z, and FPV.  I credit it to some sort of interference; land, restart, try again and it usually clears up.  First time it happened was a bit of a freak out as it took me a few to figure out that it was about 10-15 seconds delayed on screen.  After that, just an annoyance to return and start over.
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maihem Posted at 6-9 11:27
I never had that issue with the P2V+ or the Mavic Pro but have occasionally had the video freeze up, then delayed choppy on everything after...spark, MA, MA2, M2Z, and FPV.  I credit it to some sort of interference; land, restart, try again and it usually clears up.  First time it happened was a bit of a freak out as it took me a few to figure out that it was about 10-15 seconds delayed on screen.  After that, just an annoyance to return and start over.

My Mavic Pro did it the last 2 time I took it out. One of them being the race track vid I did. But it does show up in the vid. I guess it's only in the signal to the controller
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DowntownRDB Posted at 6-9 11:12
I passed my Mini and Mini 2 down to my grandson.  I'll have to check with him and see if he has noticed any screen lock-ups recently.  I know before I passed them down I didn't notice any but it's been a while since I have flown either of those 2.  Every time DJI releases a firmware update I hope that it fixed more things than it broke.

Mine didn't used to do it either. Something has changed, and I don't know what.

The problem doesn't show up on the actual video recorded by the drone, so the camera and recording systems are fine.

Something has changed for the worse about the link quality. It happens even at pretty close range. This is flying in the same places I've flown all along, so it isn't that.

Thx,

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maihem Posted at 6-9 11:27
I never had that issue with the P2V+ or the Mavic Pro but have occasionally had the video freeze up, then delayed choppy on everything after...spark, MA, MA2, M2Z, and FPV.  I credit it to some sort of interference; land, restart, try again and it usually clears up.  First time it happened was a bit of a freak out as it took me a few to figure out that it was about 10-15 seconds delayed on screen.  After that, just an annoyance to return and start over.

I've never seen delays THAT long! It's usually no more than a few seconds at a time, but landing and taking off again doesn't make any difference.

It's only the Mini-1 and the -SE. The Mini-2s don't do this.

Thx,

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Chaosrider Posted at 6-9 12:53
I've never seen delays THAT long! It's usually no more than a few seconds at a time, but landing and taking off again doesn't make any difference.

It's only the Mini-1 and the -SE. The Mini-2s don't do this.

I've not had any of the Mini's...just the ones I listed in the previous post.  It doesn't happen frequently but I have had delays that long.  Not sure if I described my process correctly, I land, shut everything down, and start over to resolve the choppy delay.
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maihem Posted at 6-10 04:47
I've not had any of the Mini's...just the ones I listed in the previous post.  It doesn't happen frequently but I have had delays that long.  Not sure if I described my process correctly, I land, shut everything down, and start over to resolve the choppy delay.

In my case, I just finish the flight...farther away from things than I would otherwise like. I shut everything down, and when I go to fly again, the problem is still there.

It never used to happen at all, not like this. Now, it happens every flight. Something has changed, but i don't know what. It only happens with the Mini-1 and Mini-SE, not the Mini-2s or the FPV.

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