Hello,
I'm having weird issues with my Mini 3 Pro.
Everything looks like a painting. Here is 100% of one 48mpx.
What's weird is that yesterday I took a OK picture with less light it was not that weird paiting look...

Here is the picture taken with much less light yesterday and underexposed, look grainy because I raised luminosity and all but there is details and not that "painting look"... At least it feels like...

https://forum.dji.com/forum.php? ... D776%26typeid%3D776

There are already complains about it .... Please open a case with DJI Support

Mattmatt2235 Posted at 7-24 02:14
[view_image]Here is the picture taken with much less light yesterday, look grainy and all but there is details and not that "painting look"

Perhaps the metadata would have some clues.
If you can upload both full-size images to dropbox or similar and post a link here that would help.

Labroides Posted at 7-24 04:04
Perhaps the metadata would have some clues.
If you can upload both full-size images to dropbox or similar and post a link here that would help.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AkD9_wf2HJmnhecapt3GHtBFl0MFUg?e=WanspW

Mattmatt2235 Posted at 7-24 02:14
[view_image]Here is the picture taken with much less light yesterday, look grainy and all but there is details and not that "painting look"

What shutter speed were they taken at , were ND filters used slowing down the SS. The examples above look to be cropped 200/400%. But they look very poor and very soft.

The brighter one has blown highlights. Apply some negative highlights in the post to recover the lost data.
The darker one has more noise. An image with more noise can sometimes look as if it had more details.

Thanks, it has nothing to do with highlights or shadows,
I tried every settings possible, with nd to reduce shutter speed, without with higher shutter speed, low iso, high iso...

I stated that the last one is grainy, it was dark, but it's ok to me, I know what to expect with this kind of sensor. The problem is the first one, it's in auto, but as I said i tried several different settings.

It's 100% crop not more. Look at original file.

Mattmatt2235 Posted at 7-24 06:40
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AkD9_wf2HJmnhecapt3GHtBFl0MFUg?e=WanspW

Neither one looks good at 100%.
But shutter speed isn't the problem.
The one you identified as the problem was at 1/600th sec.

**edit** .. it was 1/1600th

Labroides Posted at 7-24 07:06
Neither one looks good at 100%.
But shutter speed isn't the problem.
The one you identified as the problem was at 1/600th sec.

1/1600th
Yes, not shutter speed problem as I used a Nd and got down to 1/60th and had the same problem...

Mattmatt2235 Posted at 7-24 07:08
1/1600th
Yes, not shutter speed problem as I used a Nd and got down to 1/60th and had the same problem...

Both look soft and mushy, but neither is a good shot to show how well the lens is performing.
There's no hard detail, just thousands of distant leaves.
To properly get an idea of the camera, try shooting something like a well lit house from 10-15 metres.

And ND filters are never going to improve stills unless you have a specific reason to force a long shutter speed.

Mattmatt2235 Posted at 7-24 07:08
1/1600th
Yes, not shutter speed problem as I used a Nd and got down to 1/60th and had the same problem...

Why use ND filters on this type of subject surely 1600th SS will give you a much sharper image . If the weather was completely still 1/60th will be sharp enough but if its windy then 1 /60th will not give you a sharp image. Although the gimbal is pretty good on Mini 3 the craft moves around a lot in the wind.

Labroides Posted at 7-24 07:32
Both look soft and mushy, but neither is a good shot to show how well the lens is performing.
There's no hard detail, just thousands of distant leaves.
To properly get an idea of the camera, try shooting something like a well lit house from 10-15 metres.

Are you often shooting things at 10-15 meters with your drone ?
I'd say what a was shooting was actually 10-15 meters...so...

The Nd was to lower the shutter speed to see if the problem remain.
None of the shots I've provided was with an ND.
You should read carefully before randomly responding.

I've had phantom 4 pro, mavic pro, anafi, air 2 and now mini 3 pro... i've never seen something like that that is why i'm asking.

hallmark007 Posted at 7-24 07:48
Why use ND filters on this type of subject surely 1600th SS will give you a much sharper image . If the weather was completely still 1/60th will be sharp enough but if its windy then 1 /60th will not give you a sharp image. Although the gimbal is pretty good on Mini 3 the craft moves around a lot in the wind.

Did you read ?
I tried different settings to see if somethings were different, none of the pictures i've provided was with an ND.
It was not flying, I shot from my windows on a table.

Mattmatt2235 Posted at 7-24 08:32
Did you read ?
I tried different settings to see if somethings were different, none of the pictures i've provided was with an ND.
It was not flying, I shot from my windows on a table.

Well reading is not really a strong point with yourself. I clearly asked the question in post 7 regarding the use of ND filters.
In post 11 I quote you “Yes Not a shutter problem as I used a ND and got down to 1/60th and had the same problem. So its extremely difficult to know now what the shutter speed was and why you would try slowing down the SS to get a sharper image, that makes little sense.
But obviously I can’t help here, so good luck..

hallmark007 Posted at 7-24 08:53
Well reading is not really a strong point with yourself. I clearly asked the question in post 7 regarding the use of ND filters.
In post 11 I quote you “Yes Not a shutter problem as I used a ND and got down to 1/60th and had the same problem. So its extremely difficult to know now what the shutter speed was and why you would try slowing down the SS to get a sharper image, that makes little sense.
But obviously I can’t help here, so good luck..

Well reading is not really a strong point with yourself.
Pot ... meet the kettle

So its extremely difficult to know now what the shutter speed was
The shutter speeds are there for anyone to read in the image metadata.
Just like I did and posted details too.

Mattmatt2235 Posted at 7-24 08:30
Are you often shooting things at 10-15 meters with your drone ?
I'd say what a was shooting was actually 10-15 meters...so...

Are you often shooting things at 10-15 meters with your drone ?
Not often, but if I wanted to check the lens and image quality, I would.
And I'd make sure the test shot had lots of well lit hard detail instead of just distant leaves.

I'd say what a was shooting was actually 10-15 meters...so...
So there was no hard detail within 10-15 metres.
Almost all the shot is soft background.

The Nd was to lower the shutter speed to see if the problem remain.
The only thing an ND filter does is to force a slower shutter speed.
A slower shutter speed won't help improve sharpness.
It could do just the opposite.

You should read carefully before randomly responding.
Randomly responding?
There's nothing wrong with my reading or comprehension.
And I actually know what I'm talking about too.

A side effect of the quad Bayer maybe. Some kind of worm look like here?
https://forum.dji.com/thread-218278-1-1.html

Sorry, english is not my first language.

I've posted the DNG. Your question was responded at post 10. I said not a shutter speed problem because I tried other shutter speed.
The shutter speed IS in the message you quoted, so maybe not THAT difficult.
The picture is at 1/1600th. It was a bright day and it was in auto.

I tried ND to slow down the shutter speed to see if it had any impact on the problem, just in case (too much light on the sensor ? god I don't know, I tried). Problem was the same at different ISO et Shutter Speed. I tried all settings to see if anything would change, shutter speed was one of them, it doesn't make much sense but I tried... With ND 1/60th, it's fine for "landscape" with no wind, don't worry. Congratulation you know your exposure triangle, does everybody has to be aware of that ?

Labroides Posted at 7-24 09:06
Are you often shooting things at 10-15 meters with your drone ?
Not often, but if I wanted to check the lens and image quality, I would.
And I'd make sure the test shot had lots of well lit hard detail instead of just distant leaves.

I know, I know, I just tried different settings, feels like what a shutter does is some kind of secret only members here knows about...

The whole picture is like that weird effect, i've never seen this before, that's why i'm asking ! and you guys are all ND this, Shutter speed that...

yannick_c Posted at 7-24 09:06
A side effect of the quad Bayer maybe. Some kind of worm look like here?
https://forum.dji.com/thread-218278-1-1.html

maybe... Thank you for the link.

Mattmatt2235 Posted at 7-24 09:12
I know, I know, I just tried different settings, feels like what a shutter does is some kind of secret only members here knows about...

The whole picture is like that weird effect, i've never seen this before, that's why i'm asking ! and you guys are all ND this, Shutter speed that...

I asked to see the metadata to see if slow shutter speed might be a factor.
It was a simple obvious possibility and easy to check and eliminate.

feels like what a shutter does is some kind of secret
There's no mystery about shutter speeds and what they do.
A slow shutter speed increases the chance of motion blur if the drone or the subject is moving.
A fast shutter speed minimises that possibility.

Auto or manual focus? It looks out of focus to me.

Labroides Posted at 7-24 09:23
I asked to see the metadata to see if slow shutter speed might be a factor.
It was a simple obvious possibility and easy to check and eliminate.

I was being sarcastic.But I understand why you asked of course.

Mobilehomer Posted at 7-24 09:44
Auto or manual focus? It looks out of focus to me.

Autofocus
I tried manual focus, different "steps" to see if something was off somehow and nothing...

Mattmatt2235 Posted at 7-24 07:03
Thanks, it has nothing to do with highlights or shadows,
I tried every settings possible, with nd to reduce shutter speed, without with higher shutter speed, low iso, high iso...

I've been looking at the original files in RawDigger and Lightroom. Have you tried applying negative highlights to the bright one and running it through Topaz Sharpen AI?

NewToy Posted at 7-24 12:53
Your dealing with a clown

wow nice thank you. So much hate. Thanks.

SrMi Posted at 7-24 12:47
I've been looking at the original files in RawDigger and Lightroom. Have you tried applying negative highlights to the bright one and running it through Topaz Sharpen AI?

Hi,
Yes for highlights, doesn't change a thing. As for Topaz no. I'm just trying to know if it's normal or not.

Mattmatt2235 Posted at 7-24 12:59
wow nice thank you. So much hate. Thanks.

its not from me as i visit here at most once a week.Just setting the record straight.

NewToy Posted at 7-24 13:03
its not from me as i visit here at most once a week.Just setting the record straight.

I did not understand but I've read a few of your message here, it's always negative and condescending so i'm just going to ignore you.

Mattmatt2235 Posted at 7-24 12:59
wow nice thank you. So much hate. Thanks.

Don’t encourage him he’s been banned over 30 times on this forum, he will add nothing to your thread except to cause consternation.

How does the picture look when taken at 12mp?

It’s less obvious because of the lower resolution, but I don’t think it’s normal... I’ll do more test tomorrow.

I also see in a lot of details like grass, leaves etc kind of painting effect. I don't like it too much and would like to have an option in menu to have more noisy and less painted pictures (if this painting effect is because of denosiing).
I found today something worse than that in repeating pattern on the roof. This crop of this area looks really bad for "PRO" drone.


On video when I flew over it, this looks like moving V pattern but much more subtle than this photo.

Some time ago I have seen a test of mini 3 pro camera on kind of test board. There was some artifacts in small repeating patterns but nothing like this error on roof...

Mattmatt2235 Posted at 7-24 12:59
wow nice thank you. So much hate. Thanks.

You've misinderstood.
He wasn't referring to you

MarcoDi Posted at 7-24 14:41
I also see in a lot of details like grass, leaves etc kind of painting effect. I don't like it too much and would like to have an option in menu to have more noisy and less painted pictures (if this painting effect is because of denosiing).
I found today something worse than that in repeating pattern on the roof. This crop of this area looks really bad for "PRO" drone.

Search "Moire" to see what that's about.

Hello there Mattmatt2235. I am sorry for the trouble this has caused and thank you for reaching out. Since we are having this issue with your new DJI Mini 3 Pro, I would recommended for you to contact our DJI Support Team at https://www.dji.com/support?site=brandsite&from=nav for further assistance. We will do our best to help you and give out the best resolution for the said issue. Again, I am sorry and thank you.  

hallmark007 Posted at 7-24 13:33
Don’t encourage him he’s been banned over 30 times on this forum, he will add nothing to your thread except to cause consternation.

only you would fabricate and take the time to dream up numbers.

Labroides Posted at 7-24 18:15
Search "Moire" to see what that's about.

Ups... You have right... I just never seen before so bad moire example on my apsc without low-pass filter and I forgot about it and didn't connect the dots. In this case, my bad to mention it here.