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FreddyMartuc
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Dear Colleagues, a few months ago I asked about the possibility of disabling the landing protection on the mavic 3 as it is impossible to work
in  the open sea with take off and landing on a boat in rough seas. The  problem is that the mavic does not land if the underlying surface is not  stable,
and in the sea with the waves the boats ever drift and rolling. Kindly "DJI Thor" reported the problem to the DJI team
but no updates have been seen yet.

Someone has news about it?





2022-8-13
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It most likely won’t land because the ground beneath is continually moving. Trying to land on a boat unless you have a lot of space to land is always going to be problematic and without landing protection you are most likely going to crash land. Really hand catching is the only way and this can be done easily enough particularly if you have some help. It can also be done with some practice with landing protection on, but it would be better off.
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Hello there FreddyMartuc. I am sorry for the trouble this has caused and thank you for giving out these information.  Just a reminder that when flying above the water, the vision positioning function will turn off automatically and only the GPS and barometer are used for positioning, if affected by the accuracy range, and an accident might happen. In addition I will also post a DJI Forum thread on How to Fly Safely Over Water. Thank you.

https://forum.dji.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=181878
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hallmark007 Posted at 8-13 09:20
It most likely won’t land because the ground beneath is continually moving. Trying to land on a boat unless you have a lot of space to land is always going to be problematic and without landing protection you are most likely going to crash land. Really hand catching is the only way and this can be done easily enough particularly if you have some help. It can also be done with some practice with landing protection on, but it would be better off.

Kindly "DJI Thor" reported the problem to the DJI team but no updates have been seen yet.
You can ignore their meaningless polite messages about forwarding to the appropriate team.
That just means your request will be completely ignored.
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DJI Stephen Posted at 8-13 19:24
Hello there FreddyMartuc. I am sorry for the trouble this has caused and thank you for giving out these information.  Just a reminder that when flying above the water, the vision positioning function will turn off automatically and only the GPS and barometer are used for positioning, if affected by the accuracy range, and an accident might happen. In addition I will also post a DJI Forum thread on How to Fly Safely Over Water. Thank you.

https://forum.dji.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=181878

Just a reminder that when flying above the water, the vision positioning function will turn off automatically
That's just wrong.
You post the same nonsense any time  anyone mentions flying over water and it's always wrong.
The problem is that the downward facing sensors cannot be turned off.

Why are DJI moderators such an unreliable source for correct information?
2022-8-13
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When flying over the water... you are on your own to land or maneuver. The drone can't positively read the height over the water. Revert to manual control. The software is to protect your drone. I do not know of any way to disable it except by holding down the down stick until it relents and lands. So far that has worked. Pray for me ;-)
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Labroides Posted at 8-13 19:45
Just a reminder that when flying above the water, the vision positioning function will turn off automatically
That's just wrong.
You post the same nonsense any time  anyone mentions flying over water and it's always wrong.

Come on. You know that is true ;--)
2022-8-13
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Two things the drone needs to have to safely work from a boat; 1, Landing protection off. 2, ATTI mode. The Mavic 3 is capable of both of these, given the enterprise drones all allow ATTI mode to be assigned to the Cine Mode switch.


...But DJI wants to keep us all flying like amateurs who don't deserve advanced controls.
2022-8-14
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DJI Stephen Posted at 8-13 19:24
Hello there FreddyMartuc. I am sorry for the trouble this has caused and thank you for giving out these information.  Just a reminder that when flying above the water, the vision positioning function will turn off automatically and only the GPS and barometer are used for positioning, if affected by the accuracy range, and an accident might happen. In addition I will also post a DJI Forum thread on How to Fly Safely Over Water. Thank you.

https://forum.dji.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=181878

Hello Stephen, thanks for reply.
In the dji fly app on  DJI RC PRO do not exist the Hi Stefano, thanks for the reply.
In the dji fly app on DJI RC PRO there is no disable option for the obstacle sensor or vision positioning system, you can set the "bypass / brake / off" options in the obstacle avoidance mode. Landing protection is always active. The link is for the old (and very good ...) DJI GO 4 app. A DJI fly app update is required!
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DJI Stephen Posted at 8-13 19:24
Hello there FreddyMartuc. I am sorry for the trouble this has caused and thank you for giving out these information.  Just a reminder that when flying above the water, the vision positioning function will turn off automatically and only the GPS and barometer are used for positioning, if affected by the accuracy range, and an accident might happen. In addition I will also post a DJI Forum thread on How to Fly Safely Over Water. Thank you.

https://forum.dji.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=181878
Hi Dji Stephen, thanks for the reply.
In the dji fly app on DJI RC PRO there is no disable option for the obstacle sensor or vision positioning system, you can set the "bypass / brake / off" options in the obstacle avoidance mode only.  Landing protection is always active. The link tutorial is for the old (and very good ...) DJI GO 4 app. An  update is required for DJI fly app!!
2022-8-15
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DJI Stephen Posted at 8-13 19:24
Hello there FreddyMartuc. I am sorry for the trouble this has caused and thank you for giving out these information.  Just a reminder that when flying above the water, the vision positioning function will turn off automatically and only the GPS and barometer are used for positioning, if affected by the accuracy range, and an accident might happen. In addition I will also post a DJI Forum thread on How to Fly Safely Over Water. Thank you.

https://forum.dji.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=181878

Not really addressing the issue here Stephen...

Really it's a simple fix that all past generations of Mavics and Phantom drones have had. Being able to disable downward sensors is the #1 priority for us working on any type of boat and needing to land with a hand grab.

The worst situation which everyone is running into is you're on a boat in the ocean with even a slight bit of swell and other forces moving you, you cant align with the drone very well for a hand catch or even other types of landings because the drone is thinking its smarter than the user here which runs you into some pretty bad problems and even more dangerous to the end user trying to catch it.

Please allow us the ability to turn off ALL sensors while you're at it.. But to start downward would be very welcoming.
2022-8-15
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JJungPhoto Posted at 8-15 15:26
Not really addressing the issue here Stephen...

Really it's a simple fix that all past generations of Mavics and Phantom drones have had. Being able to disable downward sensors is the #1 priority for us working on any type of boat and needing to land with a hand grab.

That's interesting. However if you disable all sensors, the drone will revert to GPS only which would be much worse and less accurate. It's a difficult problem to solve and I do not think it is easily fixed in the amateur drone design. I just try to anticipate the errors and deal with it in real time. No bad landing yet on my boat or hand.....knock on wood. But I am getting old and the loss is eventual...me and drone ;-)
2022-8-15
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Did the ability to disable landing protection ever become available?  If not, it REALLY needs to.  
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So far no response from the technical team.
A firmware update would be enough by inserting a "Landing protection" flag (on-off) in the safety menu that resets at each take-off.
Evidently DJI is focusing only on the sales strategy of the new models.
it means that to work on the sea I will have to look for another brand of drone.
It's a shame as mavic cine could be the absolute drone.
This year I have flown to many Italian locations hundreds of times and miles for "Eurovision Song Contest Postcard",
and I have tested the "3 Cine" very well in all conditions.
Working in the open sea from boats remains the only serious problem to fly safely, and that's no small feat!

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It is one of the stupidest settings on any drone. It makes landing, in some scenarios, more dangerous and more likely to cause a crash.
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CloudVisual Posted at 8-30 11:04
It is one of the stupidest settings on any drone. It makes landing, in some scenarios, more dangerous and more likely to cause a crash.

Exactly! Come on DJI, why no response?
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CloudVisual Posted at 8-30 11:04
It is one of the stupidest settings on any drone. It makes landing, in some scenarios, more dangerous and more likely to cause a crash.

You've obviously never worked with drones on small boats with waves and gusts of wind. It is a necessary setting only in this situation.
2022-8-31
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FreddyMartuc Posted at 8-31 07:33
You've obviously never worked with drones on small boats with waves and gusts of wind. It is a necessary setting only in this situation.

You've obviously misread my post.
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FreddyMartuc Posted at 8-31 07:33
You've obviously never worked with drones on small boats with waves and gusts of wind. It is a necessary setting only in this situation.

You can still hand-catch the drone, but make sure its in brake mode and either sneak up on it or open hand palm and left stick down.
If as you say the boat is moving then landing on the boat will be also a problem it will certainly crash land and worse is also possible. So hand catching with sensors on or off is still possible.
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You can't theorize about capturing a drone from a boat if you've never done so. To explain better, the old Phantom without any landing protection from boats is fine!
I've used it dozens of times
2022-9-1
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DJI PLEASE respond here.  Not having the ability to disable landing protection makes the Mavic 3 much less safe and less capable!  Many of us operate from boats often.  This missing feature makes this dangerous.   
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DJI Stephen Posted at 8-13 19:24
Hello there FreddyMartuc. I am sorry for the trouble this has caused and thank you for giving out these information.  Just a reminder that when flying above the water, the vision positioning function will turn off automatically and only the GPS and barometer are used for positioning, if affected by the accuracy range, and an accident might happen. In addition I will also post a DJI Forum thread on How to Fly Safely Over Water. Thank you.

https://forum.dji.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=181878

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toddtt Posted at 9-9 01:47
DJI PLEASE respond here.  Not having the ability to disable landing protection makes the Mavic 3 much less safe and less capable!  Many of us operate from boats often.  This missing feature makes this dangerous.

Dear DJI, when it comes to appreciating the quality of your drones, I'm the first to say it but the colleague's post confirms that flying from boats is a real problem, try it too!! If you are a serious and reliable company I expect a quick fix with the addition of the option to disable landing protection. Ignoring this request would be a serious mistake, it is to have more safety at work.
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I also film from moving vessels and this sucks. One way around it is cover the sensors and TOF sensor with black Gad tape. That how you can catch it. DJI still has to fix this. Us professionals spend $5k on cine to shoot not to play. This is dangerous DJI.
2022-9-16
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I also film from moving vessels and this sucks. One way around it is cover the sensors and TOF sensor with black Gad tape. That how you can catch it. DJI still has to fix this. Us professionals spend $5k on cine to shoot not to play. This is dangerous DJI.
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hallmark007 Posted at 8-13 09:20
It most likely won’t land because the ground beneath is continually moving. Trying to land on a boat unless you have a lot of space to land is always going to be problematic and without landing protection you are most likely going to crash land. Really hand catching is the only way and this can be done easily enough particularly if you have some help. It can also be done with some practice with landing protection on, but it would be better off.

and again a bull... reaction , the magic 2 can do it on a boat, so what non info you have to tell again!
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hallmark007 Posted at 8-31 09:14
You can still hand-catch the drone, but make sure its in brake mode and either sneak up on it or open hand palm and left stick down.
If as you say the boat is moving then landing on the boat will be also a problem it will certainly crash land and worse is also possible. So hand catching with sensors on or off is still possible.

and again non info from mister Hallmark.
Is there a way to digital kill this dog?
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hallmark007 Posted at 8-31 09:14
You can still hand-catch the drone, but make sure its in brake mode and either sneak up on it or open hand palm and left stick down.
If as you say the boat is moving then landing on the boat will be also a problem it will certainly crash land and worse is also possible. So hand catching with sensors on or off is still possible.

It did already work with the Mavic 2, so please shut up and leave the pro's with your empty answers!
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FreddyMartuc Posted at 8-30 06:16
So far no response from the technical team.
A firmware update would be enough by inserting a "Landing protection" flag (on-off) in the safety menu that resets at each take-off.
Evidently DJI is focusing only on the sales strategy of the new models.

So far no response from the technical team.
And there never will be.
If you expect any technical people to ever read what you post here, you are only going to be disappointed.

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hallmark007 Posted at 8-13 09:20
It most likely won’t land because the ground beneath is continually moving. Trying to land on a boat unless you have a lot of space to land is always going to be problematic and without landing protection you are most likely going to crash land. Really hand catching is the only way and this can be done easily enough particularly if you have some help. It can also be done with some practice with landing protection on, but it would be better off.

Oh look people, he speaks again with non info and unusable answers.
Did you read what he was telling?!!!, no!, thats the plate in front of your head!
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DJI Please listen to the pros. I just got back from a shoot where I was specifically hired to filming four cruise ships navigating side by side. I only used the Cine at dusk and both times I had to purposely crash land. Each time replacing props. Even with Gaff tape it was almost impossible to catch or land from the moving vessel. I have accomplished this task in the past with Magic 2pro, phantom 4 pro, inspire 1 & 2.
DJI PLEASE FIX THIS ASAP. Let us turn off the sensors as we have done in the past. It’s the only way around this.
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roarpost Posted at 10-13 01:13
DJI Please listen to the pros. I just got back from a shoot where I was specifically hired to filming four cruise ships navigating side by side. I only used the Cine at dusk and both times I had to purposely crash land. Each time replacing props. Even with Gaff tape it was almost impossible to catch or land from the moving vessel. I have accomplished this task in the past with Magic 2pro, phantom 4 pro, inspire 1 & 2.
DJI PLEASE FIX THIS ASAP. Let us turn off the sensors as we have done in the past. It’s the only way around this.
I agree t9tally with you! Today i have blinded the sensor and lowest positiioning cameras with gaffer tape to land in safety on a caicco boat!!!  It is unacceptable that a professional cinema drone cannot be set up to work at sea !!!
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hallmark007 Posted at 8-13 09:20
It most likely won’t land because the ground beneath is continually moving. Trying to land on a boat unless you have a lot of space to land is always going to be problematic and without landing protection you are most likely going to crash land. Really hand catching is the only way and this can be done easily enough particularly if you have some help. It can also be done with some practice with landing protection on, but it would be better off.

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hallmark007 Posted at 8-31 09:14
You can still hand-catch the drone, but make sure its in brake mode and either sneak up on it or open hand palm and left stick down.
If as you say the boat is moving then landing on the boat will be also a problem it will certainly crash land and worse is also possible. So hand catching with sensors on or off is still possible.

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DJI Stephen Posted at 8-13 19:24
Hello there FreddyMartuc. I am sorry for the trouble this has caused and thank you for giving out these information.  Just a reminder that when flying above the water, the vision positioning function will turn off automatically and only the GPS and barometer are used for positioning, if affected by the accuracy range, and an accident might happen. In addition I will also post a DJI Forum thread on How to Fly Safely Over Water. Thank you.

https://forum.dji.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=181878

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Unfortunately, not all ships can be stopped for take-off and landing. DJI should let us work!!! All professionals need ATTi mode and disabling all sensors in many cases. We were working fine with the old Drones like the Phantom and we can't work with the MAVIC 3 CINE ??? Unacceptable!!!!

We are trying to photograph large ships like Ferry Boat and we are inside the ship with the camera crew while they are traveling and the drone does not start flying and if it flies (before catching satellites) on landing it becomes murderous with the lower sensors, it goes crazy.

All this would be very safe if there was Atti and disabling the sensors like we did with the old DJI GO 4 app.

PLEASE UPDATE AND FIX THIS DANGEROUS ISSUE FOR THE PRO PILOTS!!! The Mavic 3 need to have Atti and disable land sensors it's a very important !

The Ferry Photos was with old Phantom 4 PRO (Atti) on board from a moving ship.
Now We Cannot Work with Mavic 3 Cine !!!!!!!!!!!




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Hello Chris, great photos!! Dji continues to ignore the needs of those who work with their drones. DJI's policy is only one of profit. I am very disappointed, no news or a shred of update on this issue, thank you DJI,
you are very kind!!!. Will try other non DJI drones from moving boats. With these others you can fly into acts and disable the landing sensors. At least I will be able to take off and land by boat without damage.
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