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Do the M3T/M3E w/ RTK Module employ Time Sync?
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A huge shortcoming of the M2E and M30 RTK capabilities has been the lack of precisce time-stamping (DJI calls this Time Sync https://developer.dji.com/onboar ... uide-time-sync.html) for the RTK position image geolocation. This is important if one wishes to take advantage of the high-precision RTK positioning for photogrammetric mapping/surveying rather than just for navigation of the aircraft.

DJI's stance regarding why Time Sync was not included in the M30/M30T was that "this aircraft is not intended for mapping"
https://forum.dji.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=267111

The hype and marketing for the M3E/M3T most definitely highlight mapping ("without the need for GCPs") as one of the applications for which these new aircraft are designed.
https://www.dji.com/mavic-3-enterprise

So the question is, do the M3E/M3T employ Time Sync or an equivalent that will make their RTK actually useful for mapping, or are they like the M2E & M30?


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Hello, there. Thanks for your interest. DJI Mavic 3 Enterprise Series supports Time Sync.
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DJI Wanda Posted at 9-28 00:11
Hello, there. Thanks for your interest. DJI Mavic 3 Enterprise Series supports Time Sync.

Thanks DJI Wanda, that's great news!
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patiam Posted at 9-28 08:08
Thanks DJI Wanda, that's great news!

You are most welcome.
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DJI Wanda Posted at 9-28 00:11
Hello, there. Thanks for your interest. DJI Mavic 3 Enterprise Series supports Time Sync.

Hello, so this means with RTK enabled each captured photo can be replicated in future flights?
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If you mean replicated exactly in an automated way, I don't think so. Time Sync is more about knowing exactly what you shot than doing it again exactly the same way.

But maybe there's functionality I am unaware of that does what you described.
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DJI Wanda Posted at 9-28 00:11
Hello, there. Thanks for your interest. DJI Mavic 3 Enterprise Series supports Time Sync.

This answer is misleading: while it is true that the Mavic 3 Enterprise Series supports time sync, precision mapping only works with the M3E. The M3T uses the RTK module only for GNSS positioning, which means it does not fully support "time sync" for the expected functionality known as "precision mapping".
(it was the similar with the M2EA)

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This is an important distinction, and the reason for my original question. Thank you for bringing it to light. The M2EA, M30, and now the M3T all have RTK but no TimeSync, and thus are not capable of "precision mapping".
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vr-pilot Posted at 12-8 05:20
This answer is misleading: while it is true that the Mavic 3 Enterprise Series supports time sync, precision mapping only works with the M3E. The M3T uses the RTK module only for GNSS positioning, which means it does not fully support "time sync" for the expected functionality known as "precision mapping".
(it was the similar with the M2EA)

Hello, there. Sorry for the late response and the misleading. We confirmed with our teams again about the Precision Mapping of the DJI Mavic 3 Enterprise Series.
Precision Mapping is supported when DJI Mavic 3E is used with RTK Module.
For DJI Mavic 3T, the mapping accuracy is not guaranteed regardless of whether there is an RTK module.
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With the M3E mapping mission on a 10hectars area, flight at 75m with a gsd about 1.9cm, i had 3cm XY and 4cm Z of error using the Mavic RTK, on checkpoints. It definitely uses Time Sync
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DJI Wanda Posted at 12-18 22:50
Hello, there. Sorry for the late response and the misleading. We confirmed with our teams again about the Precision Mapping of the DJI Mavic 3 Enterprise Series.
Precision Mapping is supported when DJI Mavic 3E is used with RTK Module.
For DJI Mavic 3T, the mapping accuracy is not guaranteed regardless of whether there is an RTK module.

Thank you for clearing that up.
Talking about Time Sync for the M3E series:
The guy in the video (link below) using the M3M with RTK states "... as much as just making sure that where your data is accurately placed". How far is that correct then for the one 20MP RGB sensor and (at the same time(s)) for the four 5MP spectral filtered sensors? Here the link to the video:
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vr-pilot Posted at 12-22 04:38
Thank you for clearing that up.
Talking about Time Sync for the M3E series:
The guy in the video (link below) using the M3M with RTK states "... as much as just making sure that where your data is accurately placed". How far is that correct then for the one 20MP RGB sensor and (at the same time(s)) for the four 5MP spectral filtered sensors? Here the link to the video:

Hello, there. Sorry for the late response. May we know do you want to know the data accuracy of Mavic 3 Multispectral or anything else?  
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DJI Wanda Posted at 2022-12-27 18:42
Hello, there. Sorry for the late response. May we know do you want to know the data accuracy of Mavic 3 Multispectral or anything else?

Thank you for the response. In Ag drone mapping (photogrammetric processing) having a highly accurate geo referencing of imagery makes smaller side overlaps possible (more time and data efficient). So the question is how  accurate (RMSE) the 20 MP RGB sensor would be when used in RTK mode with or without time sync capability. Can the lower resolutiuon 5MP multispectral images somehow profit from the presumed accuracy of the 20 MP sensor? Are the 5 images taken at the exact same moment in time or (slightly) sequentiallly? They for sure should at least be quite well geometrically aligned.
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The positioning accuracy under RTK mode is cm level while the positioning accuracy in non-RTK mode is m level.
Can the lower resolutiuon 5MP multispectral images somehow profit from the presumed accuracy of the 20 MP sensor?
May we confirm you are talking about positioning accuracy as well?
The images are taken nearly at the exact same time. If you would like to align RGB photos and Multispectral Photos, it requires you to set the deviation value.  
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DJI Wanda Posted at 2022-12-18 22:50
Hello, there. Sorry for the late response and the misleading. We confirmed with our teams again about the Precision Mapping of the DJI Mavic 3 Enterprise Series.
Precision Mapping is supported when DJI Mavic 3E is used with RTK Module.
For DJI Mavic 3T, the mapping accuracy is not guaranteed regardless of whether there is an RTK module.

Hello DJI Wanda,
What about the M3M?
Does the RGB camera support precision mapping?
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leighc Posted at 5-30 16:53
Hello DJI Wanda,
What about the M3M?
Does the RGB camera support precision mapping?

Hello, there.
The RGB camera supports precision mapping when used with the RTK module.
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DJI Wanda Posted at 2022-12-18 22:50
Hello, there. Sorry for the late response and the misleading. We confirmed with our teams again about the Precision Mapping of the DJI Mavic 3 Enterprise Series.
Precision Mapping is supported when DJI Mavic 3E is used with RTK Module.
For DJI Mavic 3T, the mapping accuracy is not guaranteed regardless of whether there is an RTK module.

Hi DJI Wanda,
does this apply to M2EA as well when used with an RTK module?
Thanks and best
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wolfgang.eitel@web.de Posted at 8-11 05:27
Hi DJI Wanda,
does this apply to M2EA as well when used with an RTK module?
Thanks and best

Hello, there. Sorry for the inconvenience. Do you mean the Precision Mapping?
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DJI Wanda Posted at 8-13 03:32
Hello, there. Sorry for the inconvenience. Do you mean the Precision Mapping?

Yes, I mean the Precision Mapping on M2EA with attached RTK module.
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wolfgang.eitel@web.de Posted at 8-15 05:30
Yes, I mean the Precision Mapping on M2EA with attached RTK module.

Sorry for the late response, We will consult with our engineers and reply to you later.
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wolfgang.eitel@web.de Posted at 8-15 05:30
Yes, I mean the Precision Mapping on M2EA with attached RTK module.

Our engineers confirmed that Precision Mapping is not supported on Mavic 2 Enterprise Advanced with the RTK module.
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I just wanted to let DJI know that it is very inconvenient that the M3T still doesn't support time sync. Taking IR pictures and not being able to get their precise position from the RTK reduces usability greatly.
- Is DJI planning to add Time Sync in the successor of the M3T?
- Is there any DJI drone with an 8-14μm wavelength IR camera featuring time sync?
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