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I know I am not alone is asking for this, and it has been years (apparently) with users asking for this for various DJI drone products, including the Mini 2.

The up/down gimbal tilt/pitch control on the DJI Mini 2 controller is backwards, at least for what is intuitive for many of us... is it cultural? I don't know, but it is utterly annoying, and I've ruined more than one shot due to the reverse-from-intuitive action of the tilt wheel.

For what it's worth I am also I am also a part 61 pilot (single engine land). In a manned aircraft, you PUSH the yoke to pitch down and PULL the yoke to pitch up. But with the gimbal wheel on the left, you have to PUSH with your finger to pitch UP. The opposite of what is intuitve for any pilot, and probably non-pilots as well.

All that is needed is a software switch to change direction of operation.

I see that many customers have been asking for this for YEARS. I am new to DJI, and to be honest I am a little shocked that something so basic relating to the intitive operaton of the camera is overlooked like this....????!!

PLEASE update the firmware/app to allow reversing the gimbal tilt!!!!!!!

Thank you!

Andy

2022-10-22
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You fail to remember that the gimbal wheel controls your "eyes", the camera. Just like your eyes, up is up, down is down. The gimbal is correct.
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i agree they need to let you have a button to invert any of the controls, i just got a mavic 3 and one of the first things i noticed in the menu is there was no invert buttons for the controls, that really does seem like a basic requirement
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Whilst I recollect that when I first got a drone the I almost always moved the gimbal the wrong way, I eventually thought of it as putting something on a high shelf. One PUSHes something UP onto that shelf and PULLs it DOWN. Push and pull match the actions of your finger tip on the pitch wheel.
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Mobilehomer Posted at 10-22 10:16
You fail to remember that the gimbal wheel controls your "eyes", the camera. Just like your eyes, up is up, down is down. The gimbal is correct.


No, it is not correct. Push DOWN like with your eyes should be DOWN not up. PULL UP just like with your eyes should be UP not down. Do you have a Mini 2?
2022-10-22
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Hi there. Thank you for reaching out. I will take this as a suggestion of yours and will forward it to our designated team for attention. After the engineers' evaluation, significant suggestions or requests will be implemented via the firmware update, app update, etc. For any updates, please stay tuned to the latest news on our DJI official website at www.dji.com. Thank you for your understanding and support.
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Its all part of learning to fly,  just like learning how the indicators in a car work.
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DAFlys Posted at 10-23 02:57
Its all part of learning to fly,  just like learning how the indicators in a car work.

And learning which side of the steering column the indicator etc. switch is on lol......I hate 'flashing' the indicators instead of the headlights.
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Sean-bumble-bee Posted at 10-23 03:04
And learning which side of the steering column the indicator etc. switch is on lol......I hate 'flashing' the indicators instead of the headlights.

I always thought too much flashing was going on.  
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DAFlys Posted at 10-23 02:57
Its all part of learning to fly,  just like learning how the indicators in a car work.

No, the indicators aren't going to cause the car to end up in a ditch.
Rotating the steering wheel right causes the car to go to the right. That's intuitive.

What DJI is doing with the pitch control is not intuitive.
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NightFlightAlright Posted at 10-24 13:00
No, the indicators aren't going to cause the car to end up in a ditch.
Rotating the steering wheel right causes the car to go to the right. That's intuitive.

The OP is about CAMERA tilt!! Up is up, down is down. How hard is this to understand? It's not a fixed-wing craft. In mode 2, left stick forward is up, left stick back is down. That IS intuitive. You don't drive a car like you fly a plane. do you? The same holds true for a drone.
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Mobilehomer Posted at 10-24 13:10
The OP is about CAMERA tilt!! Up is up, down is down. How hard is this to understand? It's not a fixed-wing craft. In mode 2, left stick forward is up, left stick back is down. That IS intuitive. You don't drive a car like you fly a plane. do you? The same holds true for a drone.

The OP is about camera PITCH or TILT. It does not matter, push a camera and it tilts down, pull it and it tilts up.

The control is backwards. Pushing DOWN makes the camera go UP and pulling UP makes the camera go DOWN. It needs to be the opposite.

Have you ever flown a drone before?


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Whilst I recollect that when I first got a drone the I almost always moved the gimbal the wrong way, I eventually thought of it as putting something on a high shelf. One PUSHes something UP onto that shelf and PULLs it DOWN. Push and pull match the actions of my finger tip on the pitch wheel.


I guess it all comes down to how people perceive things, the current system works intutively for me once the above shelf idea 'stuck', it isn't a particularly difficult thing to learn.
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NightFlightAlright Posted at 10-24 13:18
The OP is about camera PITCH.

The control is backwards. Pushing DOWN makes the camera go UP and pulling UP makes the camera go DOWN. It needs to be the opposite.

Read you own words - The up/down gimbal tilt control on the DJI
Pitch is the aircraft, tilt is the camera. Have you ever flown a drone before?
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Mobilehomer Posted at 10-24 13:48
Read you own words - The up/down gimbal tilt control on the DJI
Pitch is the aircraft, tilt is the camera. Have you ever flown a drone before?

PITCH is the term that DJI USES, but tilt is exactly the same.
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You're nothing but a troll. Did you fall on your head as a child?

Go bother someone else and stay away from me.





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NightFlightAlright Posted at 10-24 15:10
PITCH is the term that DJI USES, but tilt is exactly the same.[view_image]
You're nothing but a troll. Are you really stupid or something? Did you fall on your head as a child?

Nope, not a troll. But you are obviously incapable of learning.
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Sean-bumble-bee Posted at 10-24 13:42
Whilst I recollect that when I first got a drone the I almost always moved the gimbal the wrong way, I eventually thought of it as putting something on a high shelf. One PUSHes something UP onto that shelf and PULLs it DOWN. Push and pull match the actions of my finger tip on the pitch wheel.

It not about "problem to learn" it is a SIGNIFICANT problem as it is counter to the way EVERY OTHER INTERFACE works.

We should not have to adapt to this, it is DJI who has the responsibility of providing a control reversal switch. It's trivial, and inexcusable that they don't provide it. (trolls notwithstanding).

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Mobilehomer Posted at 10-24 15:17
Nope, not a troll. But you are obviously incapable of learning.

What part of "stay away from me" do you not understand you troll?
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Sean-bumble-bee Posted at 10-24 13:42
Whilst I recollect that when I first got a drone the I almost always moved the gimbal the wrong way, I eventually thought of it as putting something on a high shelf. One PUSHes something UP onto that shelf and PULLs it DOWN. Push and pull match the actions of my finger tip on the pitch wheel.

It is bad UX.
One of the key tenets of good UX is user configurability and user preference.
No amount of "oh you should learn to do it this way" is going to cure this bad UX,
and such statements are anti-UX and therefore notwithstanding.



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+1.   This is really messing me up. I'm the type that always inverse the Y-axis in FPS games. Pushing away/forward should look down!
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+1 for me too - a year and a half from the suggestion being "taken forward" for attention.

Every time I fly my Mini 3 with the DJI RC I return home hoping for a firmware update that will give me the option to reverse the direction of gimbal tilt.
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Grandad0 Posted at 8-11 06:38
+1 for me too - a year and a half from the suggestion being "taken forward" for attention.

Every time I fly my Mini 3 with the DJI RC I return home hoping for a firmware update that will give me the option to reverse the direction of gimbal tilt.

"a year and a half from the suggestion being "taken forward" for attention"
it has been asked for for a LOT longer than that, that should give you a clus as to the likely hood of anything changing.

Therefore perhaps you should change the way you think about it, I think of putting a box up on a high shelf.
I PUSH that box up and I PULL it down.
The gimbal dial responds in the same way, pushing with your finger tilts the gimbal up blah blah blah ....
Alternatively open the controller and switch the wiring connections to the dial, that might mean cutting the wires and soldering them.
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Thanks for the suggestion but as my name would suggest it is difficult to teach old dogs new tricks !

Maybe DJI just dislikes pleasing senior citizens...
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Plazman Posted at 7-20 23:53
+1.   This is really messing me up. I'm the type that always inverse the Y-axis in FPS games. Pushing away/forward should look down!

You’re not the only one. The way DJI is doing this on their remotes is literally the opposite  of every common standard control, everywhere, including remotes by other companies.

I am really disappointed with the non-response from DJI on this. I’ve started purchasing products by other manufacturers as a result. Based on the substantial number of other users that have brought this complaint, it appears that DJI is not considering the needs of their users.
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Sean-bumble-bee Posted at 8-11 07:47
"a year and a half from the suggestion being "taken forward" for attention"
it has been asked for for a LOT longer than that, that should give you a clus as to the likely hood of anything changing.


It is not incumbent on me, as a paying customer, to “change the way I think about it” when DJI is clearly ignoring customer needs, and further, setting the control operation in a manner that is opposite of well established control-direction.

I’m really not interested in the opinions of DJI apologists who seem intent to be contrarian and obstruct the valid complaints of many many users.
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Grandad0 Posted at 8-12 03:18
Thanks for the suggestion but as my name would suggest it is difficult to teach old dogs new tricks !

Maybe DJI just dislikes pleasing senior citizens...

It’s difficult for *anyone* who is experienced with standard controls including other RC companies. Part of the reason is DJI’s position is anti-intuitive, the other part is that anyone experienced with other similar controls has developed “motor memory”, the same way that turning the steering wheel clockwise makes the car go to the right.

In the case of driving you don’t have to think of which way to turn the wheel because it is ingrained “motor memory”. In the case of a car, moving the TOP of the wheel right makes the car turn right.

What if moving the bottom of the wheel right made the car go right? That would mean turning counterclockwise would make the car go right.

Why is one more intuitive than the other?

Before the wheel, there was the “tiller”, a stick you would push left or right to steer. The top of the control has traditionally pointed to the direction.

That’s the standard and that’s what’s naturally intuitive.

DJI is not doing that-DJI is doing the opposite.
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NightFlightAlright Posted at 8-12 06:39
It is not incumbent on me, as a paying customer, to “change the way I think about it” when DJI is clearly ignoring customer needs, and further, setting the control operation in a manner that is opposite of well established control-direction.

I’m really not interested in the opinions of DJI apologists who seem intent to be contrarian and obstruct the valid complaints of many many users.

And, of course, taking that position allows you to whinge.
Please do enjoy your continued sending of the gimbal in the wrong direction.
My mum would have referred to that as "cutting off your nose to spite your face".
Whereas I solved the problem and rarely send the gimbal in the wrong direction, by changing the way I think.

Just in case you are suggesting that I am apologising for DJI or deriding the complaints of other then you are gravely mistaken.
I do recognise the fact that, up until now, they have ignored requests for this option to be made available and I agree with the others that the option would be beneficial. However, since DJI have not acted on those requests, I would rather find, and offer, a solution ...... rather than whinge.
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NightFlightAlright Posted at 8-12 06:55
It’s difficult for *anyone* who is experienced with standard controls including other RC companies. Part of the reason is DJI’s position is anti-intuitive, the other part is that anyone experienced with other similar controls has developed “motor memory”, the same way that turning the steering wheel clockwise makes the car go to the right.

In the case of driving you don’t have to think of which way to turn the wheel because it is ingrained “motor memory”. In the case of a car, moving the TOP of the wheel right makes the car turn right.

What is intuitive in moving a point of contact on a dial horizontally to command a change of tilt in the gimbal ?
Intuitive would be if the dial rotated about a horizontal axis and thus the pilot moved the point of contact with the dial upwards/downwards.
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Sean-bumble-bee Posted at 8-12 07:03
And, of course, taking that position allows you to whinge.
Please do enjoy your continued sending of the gimbal in the wrong direction.
My mum would have referred to that as "cutting off your nose to spite your face".

Your “solution” is not helpful and is counter productive.

As far as “nose…face” I don’t think you understand what that metaphor actually means.
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NightFlightAlright Posted at 8-12 07:54
Your “solution” is not helpful and is counter productive.

As far as “nose…face” I don’t think you understand what that metaphor actually means.

My solution solves the problem for me ...... so somehow I think it works.
I understand the metaphor as my mum used it, whether or not it means something else to you I neither know nor care.
But I do understand that you would rather suffer, and complain, rather than do something to fix the problem for yourself.

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Sean-bumble-bee Posted at 8-12 08:01
My solution solves the problem for me ...... so somehow I think it works.
I understand the metaphor as my mum used it, whether or not it means something else to you I neither know nor care.
But I do understand that you would rather suffer, and complain, rather than do something to fix the problem for yourself.

Your reading comprehension is terribly poor. The reasons DJI is wrong here has been well defined by many users including myself. You may be willing to pay premium prices for a substandard product, but I am not.

Your whiny incessant whataboutism and spurious contrarian comments amount to nothing but a series of unsupportable logical fallacies.

Your demurrer is notwithstanding and fully insufficient regarding the needs of other users. It is pure self entitlement on your part to assert that others should do as you tell them to.

I’m not complaining, I am making a proactive effort for myself and other users regarding a significant deficiency in DJI products. You on the other hand are complaining about my pointing out the deficiency, and it’s not your place to do so—you are trolling my comments and I am telling you to stop.

Unfortunately the DJI forum does not seem to have a block command otherwise I would have blocked you long ago.

Leave me and my posts alone, and troll someone else.
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NightFlightAlright Posted at 8-12 10:39
Your reading comprehension is terribly poor. The reasons DJI is wrong here has been well defined by many users including myself. You may be willing to pay premium prices for a substandard product, but I am not.

Your whiny incessant whataboutism and spurious contrarian comments amount to nothing but a series of unsupportable logical fallacies.

"You on the other hand are complaining about my pointing out the deficiency,"

No I am not, I agree that adding the option would be beneficial.
However, given how long this has been requested and not fulfilled, I am suggesting a perfectly viable solution. It works, yet you seem to reject it.
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Sean-bumble-bee Posted at 8-12 11:11
"You on the other hand are complaining about my pointing out the deficiency,"

No I am not, I agree that adding the option would be beneficial.

What part of “stop trolling me” do you not understand? LEAVE ME ALONE.
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I am not sure the gimbal control is wrong or right but I believe there are quite a number of users want the invert way, including me. And I do believe it is not hard for DJI programmers to provide this option.
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AYKO HK Posted at 10-1 18:17
I am not sure the gimbal control is wrong or right but I believe there are quite a number of users want the invert way, including me. And I do believe it is not hard for DJI programmers to provide this option.

There is no right or wrong.. It is simply a personal choice, that should be respected... Most RC radio above the $50, have the option to reverse travel in relation to the dial or the switch, on almost all channels available...

DJI already offer dual rate and exponential, so there is room for it...

Not sure why DJI purposely refuses to do it...
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