Element115 Posted at 11-7 20:15
Hi there Sean,
I'd agree with some of the naysayers here but they haven't provided any justification or reason why yaw while RTH shouldn't be implemented in the case where the pilot decides to turn off OA.

Everyone knows? I've never even heard of that word before. My bad

Element115 Posted at 11-7 20:15
Hi there Sean,
I'd agree with some of the naysayers here but they haven't provided any justification or reason why yaw while RTH shouldn't be implemented in the case where the pilot decides to turn off OA.

"I'm a pretty good precision flyer" and you use RTH?
"PILOT"?????

You make my day. Stupid people everywhere.

JJB* Posted at 11-8 02:08
uh, oke....i read the post multiple times now.

BUT in RTH the OA sensors are always ON, despite the OFF selection on the APAS menu.

Well read it again or learn how to read.  That's what I'm asking them to change.

Element115 Posted at 11-8 07:09
Well read it again or learn how to read.  That's what I'm asking then to change.

Either way, good luck!

Cobani Posted at 11-8 06:25
"I'm a pretty good precision flyer" and you use RTH?
"PILOT"?????

Some education for you.  RTH.   Return to Home is used when your RC connection is lost or you simply want to come home in autopilot mode (aka fly by wire).  It's your friend.  You paid for RTH function when you bought the drone so if you don't use it, it's your loss.

Bashy Posted at 11-7 21:35
Thats called paraphrasing, your actual words were...

..."I've been using this function for over a decade on my drones..."

Right, so quotes were incorrectly used and is misleading.  The compelling reason I provided was "Please add this functionality as the Mini 3 is a downgrade in this regard compared to the Spark, Mini, and Mini 2."

I think it's a pretty good reason given the Mini 3 is their flagship Mini, no?

Element115 Posted at 11-8 07:43
Some education for you.  RTH.   Return to Home is used when your RC connection is lost or you simply want to come home in autopilot mode (aka fly by wire).  It's your friend.  You paid for RTH function when you bought the drone so if you don't use it, it's your loss.

sounds like you are trying to abuse the rth function as dji intended.  when combined with oa, rth is intended to safely bring the drone back to the homepoint directly.  this is best maintained by keeping the drone facing forward, proceeding at [max] speed, after [raising] altitude and locking course.  currently it doesn't include a bunch of other things including pirouettes.  if you wish to perform some other function, please disengage rth and then do your thing.  at this point, any attempts to use the rth feature to steady or straighten the flight path to accomplish some other tasks will fail.

Element115 Posted at 11-8 08:01
Right, so quotes were incorrectly used and is misleading.  The compelling reason I provided was "Please add this functionality as the Mini 3 is a downgrade in this regard compared to the Spark, Mini, and Mini 2."

I think it's a pretty good reason given the Mini 3 is their flagship Mini, no?

the mini 3 pro is the flagship drone because it is the latest drone in the mini series.  however, it has oa so it's feature set may be different from pervious drones.  since yawing while rth is not a premium feature, it's ok if not included in their best drone.  nobody will miss it like they would miss at least a dozen other important features as determined by dji.  sometimes when technology advances, a few things get left behind.  despite not being able to yaw while rth, in the end the mini 3 pro can do everything the mini 2 could do and better.  you just have to advance with it and know how to do it, something you have to re-learn.  again, the mini 3 pro may not be able to use the technique and perform the manuever but we're not after that, we're after results.

The Saint Posted at 11-8 08:53
the mini 3 pro is the flagship drone because it is the latest drone in the mini series.  however, it has oa so it's feature set may be different from pervious drones.  since yawing while rth is not a premium feature, it's ok if not included in their best drone.  nobody will miss it like they would miss at least a dozen other important features as determined by dji.  sometimes when technology advances, a few things get left behind.  despite not being able to yaw while rth, in the end the mini 3 pro can do everything the mini 2 could do and better.  you just have to advance with it and know how to do it, something you have to re-learn.  again, the mini 3 pro may not be able to use the technique and perform the manuever but we're not after that, we're after results.

wow, you are a retard.

Element115 Posted at 11-8 08:59
wow, you are a retard.

Dude, what you are asking for is equivalent to buying a Yugo and demanding Bugatti performance. The Mini 3 is not capable of anything more. The cpu, memory and data stream are stressed to the max. The reasons that it is not available have been explained several times, you keep harping and complaining and insulting every post. Get over yourself.

The Saint Posted at 11-7 21:58
he wants it because he feels like "dji taketh away" which is the same, sorry excuse always given.

i wanted a tape deck in my car when it only came with a cd player and i accused lexus of taking away a feature that everybody loves and they gave me in my last car that i had been using for over a decade.  i hated apple for dropping the cd slot, now how am i going to burn cds?  no flash?

This is the dumbest analogy I've ever read in my life.  Cars got rid of CD players because they were obsolete.  Yaw during RTH is not obsolete.  If you don't get the difference, not much education can do for you.

Mobilehomer Posted at 11-8 09:31
Dude, what you are asking for is equivalent to buying a Yugo and demanding Bugatti performance. The Mini 3 is not capable of anything more. The cpu, memory and data stream are stressed to the max. The reasons that it is not available have been explained several times, you keep harping and complaining and insulting every post. Get over yourself.

Yeah, right.... that is exactly why it is implemented on the Spark, Mini, and Mini 2.

Wouldn't the simplest thing be for Mini 3 flyers to verify whether or not OA is, by force, "ON" in RTH irrespective of whether or not the pilot has it switched off for other flight modes?
It might save an awful lot of the bickering that is going on in this thread and the animosity it is producing.

If OA is, by force, always on during and RTH then that is reason enough for pirouetting during RTH to be impossible.
If, howeve,r OA can be switched off during RTH then Element115 has grounds to make a request, not that I think such a request will bear fruit.

I do not have a Mini 3 so have no "axe to grind" either way and can not say whether OA can be switched off in RTH.

Sean-bumble-bee Posted at 11-8 10:47
Wouldn't the simplest thing be for Mini 3 flyers to verify whether or not OA is, by force, "ON" in RTH irrespective of whether or not the pilot has it switched off for other flight modes?
It might save an awful lot of the bickering that is going on in this thread and the animosity it is producing.

exactly.  In essence, I am asking for a choice for OA to be set to off during RTH so that Yaw control can be implemented.

Element115 Posted at 11-8 10:49
exactly.  In essence, I am asking for a choice for OA to be set to off during RTH so that Yaw control can be implemented.

But that is only applicable if OA can be switched off during RTH. Have you actually tested that, despite any setting you have set, it is off during RTH?

I have had a quick skim though the RTH section of the 1.6 manual and there are plenty of mentions in there relating to OA being used.  Plus there are several references to OA being off if the lighting conditions are unsuitable. All of which sort of implying that it is always ON during RTH.

I saw nothing that said "if OA is on ......." hence my asking 'for' confirmation.
I also have a vague recollection of, in other DJI manuals, and in connection with RTH, seeing phases such as "if OA is on..........."

I also noticed the following sentence on page 17 and in connection with advanced RTH
"If the max altitude is set below the current altitude during RTH, the aircraft will descend to the max altitude and return to home."
That is, as far as I am aware, a significant departure from previous RTH behaviour except for perhaps the power saving RTH of the Air2s?.

Sean-bumble-bee Posted at 11-8 11:10
But that is only applicable if OA can be switched off during RTH. Have you actually tested that, despite any setting you have set, it is off during RTH?

I have had a quick skim though the RTH section of the 1.6 manual and there are plenty of mentions in there relating to OA being used.  Plus there are several references to OA being off if the lighting conditions are unsuitable. All of which sort of implying that it is always ON during RTH.

Yes, and as I've mentioned numerous times, that is the implementation I'm asking to change:

1)  if OA is turned on by pilot, not Yaw control during RTH
2)  if OA is turned off by pilot, make that setting stick even in RTH, and allow yaw as the Spark, Mini, and Mini 2 allows

Sean-bumble-bee Posted at 11-8 10:47
Wouldn't the simplest thing be for Mini 3 flyers to verify whether or not OA is, by force, "ON" in RTH irrespective of whether or not the pilot has it switched off for other flight modes?
It might save an awful lot of the bickering that is going on in this thread and the animosity it is producing.

except no one has thought about what happens if you could off OA, turn the drone sideways, and then turn OA back on.

dji probably doesn't want to deal with it.  they didn't have all this to deal with in the mini 2 when it was "implemented."

Element115 Posted at 11-8 09:31
This is the dumbest analogy I've ever read in my life.  Cars got rid of CD players because they were obsolete.  Yaw during RTH is not obsolete.  If you don't get the difference, not much education can do for you.

that's not true.  plenty of cars had both equipment and in particular, my car has a cd player when cassettes were alive and kicking.  manufacturer just decided to drop it because they could see the future more clearly while you and others were still listening to inferior tapes.   that wasnt my point.  my point was i didn't point the finger at my manufacturer accusing them of taking away tapes (which were still being sold in the millions).  the lack of a feature in a future model that was present in a past model is not a sign of "better" or flagship.  the mini 3 pro has new challenges that it's predecessors did not.  perhaps dji is not handling it 100% but it's their first oa mini drone so don't expect it to have "everything" right on day one.  but yeah, you can ask.

The Saint Posted at 11-8 12:46
that's not true.  plenty of cars had both equipment and in particular, my car has a cd player when cassettes were alive and kicking.  manufacturer just decided to drop it because they could see the future more clearly while you and others were still listening to inferior tapes.   that wasnt my point.  my point was i didn't point the finger at my manufacturer accusing them of taking away tapes (which were still being sold in the millions).  the lack of a feature in a future model that was present in a past model is not a sign of "better" or flagship.  the mini 3 pro has new challenges that it's predecessors did not.  perhaps dji is not handling it 100% but it's their first oa mini drone so don't expect it to have "everything" right on day one.  but yeah, you can ask.

I don't care.

The Saint Posted at 11-8 12:37
except no one has thought about what happens if you could off OA, turn the drone sideways, and then turn OA back on.

dji probably doesn't want to deal with it.  they didn't have all this to deal with in the mini 2 when it was "implemented."

Your probably correct.
At a guess the answer to the first part would be, either cancel the RTH ( the drone would have to be in connection to turn the drone sideways, so that would not be a problem )  or halt the drone, turn it to face the homepoint and then continue the journey home.

Sean-bumble-bee Posted at 11-8 14:50
Your probably correct.
At a guess the answer to the first part would be, either cancel the RTH ( the drone would have to be in connection to turn the drone sideways, so that would not be a problem )  or halt the drone, turn it to face the homepoint and then continue the journey home.

you know what would raise the probability of a crash?  activate rth, turn off oa, yaw, lose connection....
my personal opinion, yawing specifically during a rth activation is asking for problems.
id much rather turn the drone around, kick in cruise control, do my thing.
btw, the skydio has the option of facing to or facing away (but not both) during rth but it has 360 cameras.

The Saint Posted at 11-8 12:37
except no one has thought about what happens if you could off OA, turn the drone sideways, and then turn OA back on.

dji probably doesn't want to deal with it.  they didn't have all this to deal with in the mini 2 when it was "implemented."

As soon as OA is turned back on by the pilot, the sensors should be pointed in the direction of flight.  It's common sense and not hard to implement in software.  Yaw should only be allowed when OA is turned off by the pilot.

The Saint Posted at 11-8 15:25
you know what would raise the probability of a crash?  activate rth, turn off oa, yaw, lose connection....
my personal opinion, yawing specifically during a rth activation is asking for problems.
id much rather turn the drone around, kick in cruise control, do my thing.

Some are saying it is possible as the Mavic 3 can do what the OP is asking and i believe that the OA is still on for the Mavic 3 so it can be that difficult to enable it for the Mini 3 Pro. Was it left off for a reason or was it overlooked, these questions will never be answered unless an engineer joined in the conversation but thats a rarity. Either way, we've all assumed its not possible to yaw during RTH due to the OA, but if the Mavic 3 can do it then i see any reason why the feature should be left off on the MIni 3 Pro.

According to the RTH section of the Mavic 3 manual, yaw cannot be controlled during any instance of RTH.

Bashy Posted at 11-8 18:44
Some are saying it is possible as the Mavic 3 can do what the OP is asking and i believe that the OA is still on for the Mavic 3 so it can be that difficult to enable it for the Mini 3 Pro. Was it left off for a reason or was it overlooked, these questions will never be answered unless an engineer joined in the conversation but thats a rarity. Either way, we've all assumed its not possible to yaw during RTH due to the OA, but if the Mavic 3 can do it then i see any reason why the feature should be left off on the MIni 3 Pro.

are the sensors on the mini 3 pro equivalent to the sensors on the mavic 3?  when the mini 3 pro is flying backwards, can it still avoid obstacles in its path?

The Saint Posted at 11-8 18:57
are the sensors on the mini 3 pro equivalent to the sensors on the mavic 3?  when the mini 3 pro is flying backwards, can it still avoid obstacles in its path?

Yes it can hence the rear sensors, but i believe its not as far as the front sensors, isn't that the norm though, rear sensors being limited compared to the front sensors? thats a legit question because i am sure my P4P's rears are limited too.

Bashy Posted at 11-8 19:13
Yes it can hence the rear sensors, but i believe its not as far as the front sensors, isn't that the norm though, rear sensors being limited compared to the front sensors? thats a legit question because i am sure my P4P's rears are limited too.

ok.  no sorry i meant when flying sideways because i think that's the biggest use case when yawing, to fly sideways.  but yeah i think the rear sensors are not as great as fwd; prob not good enough to risk it.

The Saint Posted at 11-8 19:57
ok.  no sorry i meant when flying sideways because i think that's the biggest use case when yawing, to fly sideways.  but yeah i think the rear sensors are not as great as fwd; prob not good enough to risk it.

Yeah, i think its sommat like 5m for the backs  and nearer 10m for the fronts, thats estimated cause i cant remember now and i did measure it lol

Element115 Posted at 11-8 09:43
Yeah, right.... that is exactly why it is implemented on the Spark, Mini, and Mini 2.

You keep missing the point & insist on arguing it again & again.  The Mini 3 is not a "downgrade" & the ability to yaw during RTH on non-OA birds was not "implemented".  Lacking OA, there was simply no reason to restrict yawing during RTH for non-OA models.  

The real issue is the Fly app is a simpler program that Go/Go4.  Thus it lacks many of the settings.  For instance, the Mini 3 automatically disables its status lights whenever it is recording.  This is because Fly lacks the Go/Go4 camera setting that allowed the pilot to set this function to on or off.   There is no Course Lock or Home Lock setting in Fly, as was available long ago in the original DJI app.  I'm guessing no drone that uses Fly can alter the auto light or "OA during RTH" functions because the setting simply does not exist in Fly.

All you can do is request that it be added & you have done that.  Being rude is only alienating yourself.  I would like to see the "OA During RTH" toggle, along with the Auto Light setting, added to Fly.  Hell, I'm not even a big fan of the Fly app.  I've grown accustomed to it but I still prefer the Go/Go4 interface & appearance.  

Bashy Posted at 11-8 18:44
Some are saying it is possible as the Mavic 3 can do what the OP is asking and i believe that the OA is still on for the Mavic 3 so it can be that difficult to enable it for the Mini 3 Pro. Was it left off for a reason or was it overlooked, these questions will never be answered unless an engineer joined in the conversation but thats a rarity. Either way, we've all assumed its not possible to yaw during RTH due to the OA, but if the Mavic 3 can do it then i see any reason why the feature should be left off on the MIni 3 Pro.

I don't own a Mavic 3, but it MAY be able to yaw during RTH because it has 360 degree OA.  Then again, a Mavic 2 also has 360 degree OA, but it can only yaw during RTH if you turn off the "OA During RTH" toggle in Go4.

Dirty Bird Posted at 11-9 06:42
You keep missing the point & insist on arguing it again & again.  The Mini 3 is not a "downgrade" & the ability to yaw during RTH on non-OA birds was not "implemented".  Lacking OA, there was simply no reason to restrict yawing during RTH for non-OA models.  

The real issue is the Fly app is a simpler program that Go/Go4.  Thus it lacks many of the settings.  For instance, the Mini 3 automatically disables its status lights whenever it is recording.  This is because Fly lacks the Go/Go4 camera setting that allowed the pilot to set this function to on or off.   There is no Course Lock or Home Lock setting in Fly, as was available long ago in the original DJI app.  I'm guessing no drone that uses Fly can alter the auto light or "OA during RTH" functions because the setting simply does not exist in Fly.

With so many experts, it's hard to tell what is true and what is not (yes, I'm being facetious).  What you state is your opinion at best.  Fly app "lacks many of the settings" is exactly what I'm asking DJI to fix.  Maybe they'll do it maybe they won't but I cannot understand why so many people on this forum act like they work for DJI and even speak on behalf of DJI when they obviously know nothing about the subject.  

Element115 Posted at 11-9 07:40
With so many experts, it's hard to tell what is true and what is not (yes, I'm being facetious).  What you state is your opinion at best.  Fly app "lacks many of the settings" is exactly what I'm asking DJI to fix.  Maybe they'll do it maybe they won't but I cannot understand why so many people on this forum act like they work for DJI and even speak on behalf of DJI when they obviously know nothing about the subject.

Could be because many on this forum DO know more than the moderators. It's a little thing called EXPERIENCE!!! And it would do you well to pay attention. No one is disagreeing with your request, most completely agree with it, they are just explaining why it's not there. And all you do is ARGUE!!!

Mobilehomer Posted at 11-9 08:05
Could be because many on this forum DO know more than the moderators. It's a little thing called EXPERIENCE!!! And it would do you well to pay attention. No one is disagreeing with your request, most completely agree with it, they are just explaining why it's not there. And all you do is ARGUE!!!

Right.  You mean like folks making statements like Mini 3 Pro is a processor hog so no processing power to implement what I ask?  If you actually read the posts, there are all kinds of ridiculous speculations by many on this thread which clearly indicate a lack of experience.   I don't think any of those alleged folks with "EXPERIENCE" know diddly squat if you ask me.  Also, I understand why it's not there today but that can easily be remedied in software.
At any rate, let's see if it gets implemented.  I'll be sure to revisit this thread at that time.

Element115 Posted at 11-9 07:40
With so many experts, it's hard to tell what is true and what is not (yes, I'm being facetious).  What you state is your opinion at best.  Fly app "lacks many of the settings" is exactly what I'm asking DJI to fix.  Maybe they'll do it maybe they won't but I cannot understand why so many people on this forum act like they work for DJI and even speak on behalf of DJI when they obviously know nothing about the subject.

We know nothing, yet have explained the issue to you multiple times?  Have you considered many of us have been flying DJI birds since they first became available & have many years of experience?  You've made your request.  The subject has been brought up previously.  Why are you still arguing?

I suggest instead of beating the horse again, you get the Litchi app, create a Waypoint mission, & you can manually yaw about while the bird flies between the points.  You could even program the bird to yaw itself!  

Element115 Posted at 11-9 08:12
Right.  You mean like folks making statements like Mini 3 Pro is a processor hog so no processing power to implement what I ask?  If you actually read the posts, there are all kinds of ridiculous speculations by many on this thread which clearly indicate a lack of experience.   I don't think any of those alleged folks with "EXPERIENCE" know didely squat if you ask me.  Also, I understand why it's not there today but that can easily be remedied in software.
At any rate, let's see if it gets implemented.  I'll be sure to revisit this thread at that time.

One last thing - you really are an arrogant, ignorant twit.YOU are the one who knows nothing.

Dirty Bird Posted at 11-9 08:18
We know nothing, yet have explained the issue to you multiple times?  Have you considered many of us have been flying DJI birds since they first became available & have many years of experience?  You've made your request.  The subject has been brought up previously.  Why are you still arguing?

I suggest instead of beating the horse again, you get the Litchi app, create a Waypoint mission, & you can manually yaw about while the bird flies between the points.  You could even program the bird to yaw itself!  

LMAO.  Whatever.  You're not the only one that has been flying DJI birds since they launched.  In fact, I built my very first electric RC airplane back in the 80s so don't assume you know more than me.  The real question is, why are YOU still arguing?

Mobilehomer Posted at 11-9 08:19
One last thing - you really are an arrogant, ignorant twit.YOU are the one who knows nothing.

"Twit"?  Whatever.  You and the other DJI fanboys are entitled to an opinion.

Element115 Posted at 11-9 08:20
LMAO.  Whatever.  You're not the only one that has been flying DJI birds since they launched.  In fact, I built my very first electric RC airplane back in the 80s so don't assume you know more than me.  The real question is, why are YOU still arguing?

Which means you've been flying RC for at least 10 years less than me.  Since you are smarter than all of us why haven't you learned to yaw while flying manually?  

Dirty Bird Posted at 11-9 08:32
Which means you've been flying RC for at least 10 years less than me.  Since you are smarter than all of us why haven't you learn to yaw while flying manually?

Another assinine response.  Again, you are filling in the blanks incorrectly.  Nope, it means I built my 1st electric airplane in the 80s as stated.  Anything else is being made up by you.
Been building and flying RC since the 70s of which many airplanes were featured in Model Aviation magazine.  Again, read the post before knee jerk responses.  

Dirty Bird Posted at 11-9 06:44
Then again, a Mavic 2 also has 360 degree OA, but it can only yaw during RTH if you turn off the "OA During RTH" toggle in Go4.

Where in Go4 is that setting please?