Montfrooij Posted at 6-3 10:45
No doubt. I would start with the solar panels

I've got a price quote coming from Tesla for a full blown solar kit including batteries, etc.  

DowntownRDB Posted at 6-4 05:49
I've got a price quote coming from Tesla for a full blown solar kit including batteries, etc.

Oh nice.
I'm curious.

Montfrooij Posted at 6-4 06:35
Oh nice.
I'm curious.

Hopefully, it will not be super expensive like some of his EVs.  

DowntownRDB Posted at 6-4 07:22
Hopefully, it will not be super expensive like some of his EVs.

That is why I'm curious.

Montfrooij Posted at 6-4 10:27
That is why I'm curious.

No quote received yet.

DowntownRDB Posted at 6-5 02:51
No quote received yet.

I'll wait patiently

Montfrooij Posted at 6-5 02:53
I'll wait patiently

Got quote back in the email this afternoon.  For the Tesla Powerwall 4 battery system fully installed and including federal solar tax credit they quoted $22,750.  

DowntownRDB Posted at 6-5 14:48
Got quote back in the email this afternoon.  For the Tesla Powerwall 4 battery system fully installed and including federal solar tax credit they quoted $22,750.

Is that with or without solar panels?

Montfrooij Posted at 6-5 22:59
Is that with or without solar panels?

Without solar panels.  

DowntownRDB Posted at 6-6 03:01
Without solar panels.

Oh.
You already have those?

Montfrooij Posted at 6-6 03:32
Oh.
You already have those?

Yes.  The top of my storage/workshop building has 8 panels on it.  

DowntownRDB Posted at 6-6 03:33
Yes.  The top of my storage/workshop building has 8 panels on it.

And you plan to use the batteries for the night? (when there is no sun)

Montfrooij Posted at 6-6 04:04
And you plan to use the batteries for the night? (when there is no sun)

Yes for that and when we have power outages.  It will also be used to recharge my EV when I finally get one.  At my location we average 259 total days with sun annually so that is plenty for the solar panels.

DowntownRDB Posted at 6-6 14:09
Yes for that and when we have power outages.  It will also be used to recharge my EV when I finally get one.  At my location we average 259 total days with sun annually so that is plenty for the solar panels.

Do you get money when your solar panels produce more than you use?

Montfrooij Posted at 6-6 22:02
Do you get money when your solar panels produce more than you use?

If you are connected to the grid you do.  

DowntownRDB Posted at 6-7 02:56
If you are connected to the grid you do.

Do you get the same price as you pay for el?

Montfrooij Posted at 6-7 02:59
Do you get the same price as you pay for el?

Wouldn't that be nice.  Only 1/3 when selling back.

DowntownRDB Posted at 6-7 17:41
Wouldn't that be nice.  Only 1/3 when selling back.

Ah ok.
We have some balancing method for now.
So all the energy we 'create' and 'consume' is balanced for one year.
Which is going to change,  but so far it works like that.

Montfrooij Posted at 6-8 00:41
Ah ok.
We have some balancing method for now.
So all the energy we 'create' and 'consume' is balanced for one year.

That does sound like a much fairer system.

DowntownRDB Posted at 6-8 02:55
That does sound like a much fairer system.

Yes and no.
the problem is that you can't really store this surplus in energy (for longer times).
So let's say you produce 90Kwh on a summer day and only use 10.
Here in NL you can 'use' those 80 on a cloudy day, even though the energy company can't store those 80 for when you need them.
So this is costing 'us' taxpayers a lot of money.
they introduced this 'netting' rule to stimulate solar energy, but it leads to a surplus on sunny days (as people install as many panels as they can, not based on their needs)

Montfrooij Posted at 6-8 03:20
Yes and no.
the problem is that you can't really store this surplus in energy (for longer times).
So let's say you produce 90Kwh on a summer day and only use 10.

Thanks for the explanation.  I guess with either system the only "winner" is the power companies.  Fortunately, my power bill is really minimal.  My boat is very energy efficient.  

DowntownRDB Posted at 6-8 03:23
Thanks for the explanation.  I guess with either system the only "winner" is the power companies.  Fortunately, my power bill is really minimal.  My boat is very energy efficient.

I'm trying to create a smaller bill, solar panels will help in the future (after having the living room renovated, which will also include a new distribution box, which is needed for solar panels)

Montfrooij Posted at 6-8 03:28
I'm trying to create a smaller bill, solar panels will help in the future (after having the living room renovated, which will also include a new distribution box, which is needed for solar panels)

The good news is that solar panels are becoming better made (as in lasting much longer) and the prices have recently gone down a bit.  

DowntownRDB Posted at 6-9 03:27
The good news is that solar panels are becoming better made (as in lasting much longer) and the prices have recently gone down a bit.

That is very good news indeed.
After we get our new switchbox, I will look into solar panels as well.
I need to make some changes to my roof first (remove a window that is right where they should go and cover some wood with zinc because I won't be able to reach them for painting easily after the solar panels are installed).

Montfrooij Posted at 6-9 04:25
That is very good news indeed.
After we get our new switchbox, I will look into solar panels as well.
I need to make some changes to my roof first (remove a window that is right where they should go and cover some wood with zinc because I won't be able to reach them for painting easily after the solar panels are installed).

Sounds like a really good plan.  Also keep in mind that if you load the roof up with solar panels it will put some stress on the roof framework below due to the added weight.

DowntownRDB Posted at 6-10 04:15
Sounds like a really good plan.  Also keep in mind that if you load the roof up with solar panels it will put some stress on the roof framework below due to the added weight.

Yes, that is something to consider, although these old houses have been built very well.

Montfrooij Posted at 6-10 12:04
Yes, that is something to consider, although these old houses have been built very well.

No doubt built much better and stronger than some of the newer ones that are erected in next to no time at all.

DowntownRDB Posted at 6-11 01:58
No doubt built much better and stronger than some of the newer ones that are erected in next to no time at all.

I for sure hope so

Montfrooij Posted at 6-11 04:26
I for sure hope so

The newer homes are substituting metal studs for wood as they are cheaper and supposedly better as termites can't eat them.  But all things considered the older homes were just better constructed.  Proof is most are still standing and the "bones" are basically still in great shape.  Sure you have to do maintenance and apply paint but that is just a part of home ownership I'd say.

DowntownRDB Posted at 6-11 04:58
The newer homes are substituting metal studs for wood as they are cheaper and supposedly better as termites can't eat them.  But all things considered the older homes were just better constructed.  Proof is most are still standing and the "bones" are basically still in great shape.  Sure you have to do maintenance and apply paint but that is just a part of home ownership I'd say.

Yeah, that is true.

Montfrooij Posted at 6-11 07:49
Yeah, that is true.

In the theme of "they don't build them like they used to" check out this video of a totally refurbished old home, if your time permits.

DowntownRDB Posted at 6-12 03:20
In the theme of "they don't build them like they used to" check out this video of a totally refurbished old home, if your time permits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjl8h8IT4b4

I'll put that on my watchlist!

Montfrooij Posted at 6-12 04:57
I'll put that on my watchlist!

  

Nice first demo shots

djiuser_h24GwhGpRk8S Posted at 7-16 12:14
Nice first demo shots

Thanks a lot!

DowntownRDB Posted at 6-13 02:59

So, back from the holiday.
I used the P2 a lot (really loved that one) and made exactly one flight.
So that means a lot of time with the fam. Which was great.

DowntownRDB Posted at 6-13 02:59

Oh and I 'accidentally' bought a Mi3P today
It was on 10% discount

Montfrooij Posted at 7-31 01:44
So, back from the holiday.
I used the P2 a lot (really loved that one) and made exactly one flight.
So that means a lot of time with the fam. Which was great.

Great to hear that you had a fantastic holiday and were able to enjoy the family time.  

Montfrooij Posted at 7-31 01:46
Oh and I 'accidentally' bought a Mi3P today  
It was on 10% discount

Congrats Peter on getting the Mini 3 Pro and at a discount makes it even a better buy.  

I was telling DA that my grandson was ready to move up from the Mini 3 Pro so I ordered him the Air 3.  He has several school projects coming up this year where he will be able to use the Air 3 over the Mini 3 Pro so turned out to be a good time to upgrade him.  He is going to pass the Mini 3 Pro to one of the cousins.  

DowntownRDB Posted at 7-31 04:42
Great to hear that you had a fantastic holiday and were able to enjoy the family time.

Yeah, absolutely.
Some footage to process, but I'm not sure when that will happen