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Avata 2 vs Avata 1 - Is the upgrade worth it?


5-14 22:16
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Nice find DA.    Very informative video.  I figured in the end he would say Yay to the Avata 2.  
5-15 12:34
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DowntownRDB Posted at 5-15 12:34
Nice find DA.    Very informative video.  I figured in the end he would say Yay to the Avata 2.

The video did have that sort of vibe to it.
5-15 21:39
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Nice video
5-16 22:39
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No probs Monty.  Just something that popped up.
5-16 22:49
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DAFlys Posted at 5-16 22:49
No probs Monty.  Just something that popped up.

You're welcome
5-16 22:51
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Thanks for 2 more pages BTW.
5-16 22:55
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DAFlys Posted at 5-16 22:55
Thanks for 2 more pages BTW.

No problem. 3 days of catching up
Otherwise it will take ages.
5-16 22:59
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Montfrooij Posted at 5-16 22:59
No problem. 3 days of catching up
Otherwise it will take ages.

You're just making the rest of us more behind though.  
5-16 23:04
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DAFlys Posted at 5-16 23:04
You're just making the rest of us more behind though.

I have a reputation to meet
5-16 23:09
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Montfrooij Posted at 5-16 23:09
I have a reputation to meet

Well thats true,  you do have a reputation..
5-16 23:13
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DAFlys Posted at 5-16 23:13
Well thats true,  you do have a reputation..

More than one I think here
5-16 23:16
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Massive yay from me
5-24 10:30
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A J Posted at 5-24 10:30
Massive yay from me

But if you had the Avata 1 Im not sure you'd feel the same way.
5-24 23:45
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DAFlys Posted at 5-24 23:45
But if you had the Avata 1 Im not sure you'd feel the same way.

I would just based on the noise and camera alone
5-25 00:18
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A J Posted at 5-25 00:18
I would just based on the noise and camera alone

Im not sure I would unless I lived in EU,  but then the C1 rules in Eu are all a bit confused for flying with goggles the moment anyway.
5-25 02:11
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DAFlys Posted at 5-25 02:11
Im not sure I would unless I lived in EU,  but then the C1 rules in Eu are all a bit confused for flying with goggles the moment anyway.

Seems to be a bit of a nightmare for them. Power output restrictions to cap speed at 42.5MPH which means freestyle with the Avata 2 would be more difficult if at all possible is bad enough but what is the latest on FPV there now? Remind me not to take my Avata 2 to Italy in August!
5-25 02:33
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A J Posted at 5-25 02:33
Seems to be a bit of a nightmare for them. Power output restrictions to cap speed at 42.5MPH which means freestyle with the Avata 2 would be more difficult if at all possible is bad enough but what is the latest on FPV there now? Remind me not to take my Avata 2 to Italy in August!

Ive seen mixed reviews on that,      Rimzler got his on pretty much day one and was hitting 110km out the gate with it.  
5-25 05:38
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DAFlys Posted at 5-25 05:38
Ive seen mixed reviews on that,      Rimzler got his on pretty much day one and was hitting 110km out the gate with it.

As long as I can hit over 60MPH without hacking anything then I can't complain. At least they can fly it under A1 rather than A3 but many complain that they can't get the speeds we are getting. May be that bloke hacked his to FCC.
5-25 07:30
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A J Posted at 5-25 07:30
As long as I can hit over 60MPH without hacking anything then I can't complain. At least they can fly it under A1 rather than A3 but many complain that they can't get the speeds we are getting. May be that bloke hacked his to FCC.

last I saw it’s only A1 without goggles on, thus the confusion.  

5-25 07:35
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DAFlys Posted at 5-25 07:35
last I saw it’s only A1 without goggles on, thus the confusion.

Without goggles? Pointless then. We are lucky after all!
5-25 07:37
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A J Posted at 5-25 07:37
Without goggles? Pointless then. We are lucky after all!

So far I’ve not found any version of our article 16 either.    Also did you know they now use FRZ to control flights to circumvent the EASA rules.  
5-25 08:06
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DAFlys Posted at 5-25 08:06
So far I’ve not found any version of our article 16 either.    Also did you know they now use FRZ to control flights to circumvent the EASA rules.

So in the EU you can only wear goggles in A3, even with a C1 drone? And they don't have article 16 - that must be UK CAA specific then
5-25 08:14
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A J Posted at 5-25 08:14
So in the EU you can only wear goggles in A3, even with a C1 drone? And they don't have article 16 - that must be UK CAA specific then

Yes from https://www.easa.europa.eu/en/li ... rst-person-view-fpv

5-26 00:17
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Sounds quite similar to us - FPV in clubs is basically referring to 'sterile areas' whereby a spotter is not legally required as the area of the flight will typically be controlled by marshals and cordoned off to prohibit public access such as netted FPV race courses and alike.

We operate the same here although we can fly in recreational parks within built up areas up to 30m from people, animals, vehicles and buildings not in our control which is also reduced to 15m on take off/landing (subject to a risk assessment) with drones weighing 250g to 7.5kg. Though we can't use autonomous flight under article 16 as manual only but we can fly 30m over people but obviously not within residential, commercial or industrial areas. The article is basically designed more for RC planes but does not exclude drones including FPV with a spotter.

I do believe we can fly with goggles in the A1 category and can also fly drones under 500g with an A2CofC in the same areas as sub 250g drones but no overflight if flying in the A1 with a 250-500g drone and you can't mix the categories i.e. fly over people under article 16 in residential areas under A1 with an A2CofC flying the Avata - you have to select which category you are flying under before take off and stick with it.

It seems the EASA regs are harsher looking at that but thankfully do not apply to UK airspace as a non EU country.
5-26 00:34
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A J Posted at 5-26 00:34
Sounds quite similar to us - FPV in clubs is basically referring to 'sterile areas' whereby a spotter is not legally required as the area of the flight will typically be controlled by marshals and cordoned off to prohibit public access such as netted FPV race courses and alike.

We operate the same here although we can fly in recreational parks within built up areas up to 30m from people, animals, vehicles and buildings not in our control which is also reduced to 15m on take off/landing (subject to a risk assessment) with drones weighing 250g to 7.5kg. Though we can't use autonomous flight under article 16 as manual only but we can fly 30m over people but obviously not within residential, commercial or industrial areas. The article is basically designed more for RC planes but does not exclude drones including FPV with a spotter.

If it wasnt for article 16 I wouldn't have bought one.   

But on a funny note did you see the comment on the wired review of the Avata 2 for UK residents.  

https://www.wired.com/review/dji ... k%20note%20for%20UK,it%20can%20be%20legally%20flown.
5-26 00:41
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DAFlys Posted at 5-26 00:41
If it wasnt for article 16 I wouldn't have bought one.   

But on a funny note did you see the comment on the wired review of the Avata 2 for UK residents.  

Same here mate - I would not have bought any drone without that article being in place and renewed my FPV UK membership before even placing the order with Heliguy on my Avata 2. I always fly under it as not wasting money on an A2CofC and only fly in recreational areas anyway and the Avata 2 doesn't use auto features like active track so is perfect for me (I'm also not hiking for 5 miles to get nowhere just to fly under A3). Sadly, article 16 is subject to an annual review but will be enforced under it's current agreement for the rest of this year and may not change for 2025.

I'll check out the link now.
5-26 00:56
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DAFlys Posted at 5-26 00:41
If it wasnt for article 16 I wouldn't have bought one.   

But on a funny note did you see the comment on the wired review of the Avata 2 for UK residents.  

Wired have clearly never heard of article 16 LOL - you'd think an organisation like that trying to sell a product in a masked 'review' would do their research!  
5-26 00:58
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A J Posted at 5-26 00:56
Same here mate - I would not have bought any drone without that article being in place and renewed my FPV UK membership before even placing the order with Heliguy on my Avata 2. I always fly under it as not wasting money on an A2CofC and only fly in recreational areas anyway and the Avata 2 doesn't use auto features like active track so is perfect for me (I'm also not hiking for 5 miles to get nowhere just to fly under A3). Sadly, article 16 is subject to an annual review but will be enforced under it's current agreement for the rest of this year and may not change for 2025.

I'll check out the link now.

Im hoping that we have it renewed until at least 2026 (in yearly increments) as thats when the CAA UK rules should get properly sorted.  
5-26 00:59
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A J Posted at 5-26 00:58
Wired have clearly never heard of article 16 LOL - you'd think an organisation like that trying to sell a product in a masked 'review' would do their research!

Absolutely my thoughts too.
5-26 01:05
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DAFlys Posted at 5-26 00:59
Im hoping that we have it renewed until at least 2026 (in yearly increments) as thats when the CAA UK rules should get properly sorted.

That would be good. If a CAA registered club vets you by having your op and flyer ID's and personal details and gives you £5,000,000 of public liability insurance in return for an annual membership fee then these are drone operators and RC pilots that the CAA will want to keep happy. These are typically the law abiding, conscientious and diligent pilots that fly within the law. Thats why we have article 16 privileges. To take that away would see the CAA turn it's back on the RC community and ultimately encourage illegal and uninsured activity with drones.
5-26 01:09
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DAFlys Posted at 5-26 01:05
Absolutely my thoughts too.

5-26 01:22
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A J Posted at 5-26 01:09
That would be good. If a CAA registered club vets you by having your op and flyer ID's and personal details and gives you £5,000,000 of public liability insurance in return for an annual membership fee then these are drone operators and RC pilots that the CAA will want to keep happy. These are typically the law abiding, conscientious and diligent pilots that fly within the law. Thats why we have article 16 privileges. To take that away would see the CAA turn it's back on the RC community and ultimately encourage illegal and uninsured activity with drones.

But that would assume that the CAA would make sensible rules,   we dont even get the same rights as a kit flyer near an airport.  .
5-26 05:19
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DAFlys Posted at 5-26 05:19
But that would assume that the CAA would make sensible rules,   we dont even get the same rights as a kit flyer near an airport.  .

In my borough the council consider flying drones over 250g from their land to be the same level of public disorder as 'ladies of the night' on the streets, lighting BBQ's near a woodland and smoking joints. It's a joke!
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5-26 05:55
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A J Posted at 5-26 05:55
In my borough the council consider flying drones over 250g from their land to be the same level of public disorder as 'ladies of the night' on the streets, lighting BBQ's near a woodland and smoking joints. It's a joke!
Just use your nod and fly!

As long as no one complains theres not an issue,  I always try and take off away from anyone that might be offended and so far its working, bar one occasion where a Karen didnt like me flying over the sea near cromer because there are seals in the sea.
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DAFlys Posted at 5-26 22:35
As long as no one complains theres not an issue,  I always try and take off away from anyone that might be offended and so far its working, bar one occasion where a Karen didnt like me flying over the sea near cromer because there are seals in the sea.

I've noticed people taking a beeline for me from a distance but they always suddenly change direction before getting too close so no confrontations as yet.
5-27 00:17
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A J Posted at 5-27 00:17
I've noticed people taking a beeline for me from a distance but they always suddenly change direction before getting too close so no confrontations as yet.

Could that just be a paranoid coincidence?

5-27 22:47
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DAFlys Posted at 5-27 22:47
Could that just be a paranoid coincidence?

It's quite obvious on a couple of occasions - people seem less inclined to approach when you are wearing goggles and especially when there are two of you.
5-28 00:01
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A J Posted at 5-28 00:01
It's quite obvious on a couple of occasions - people seem less inclined to approach when you are wearing goggles and especially when there are two of you.

Ive had a couple of ramblers stop and chat when I was wearing the goggles,    think the older generation dont get it.  
5-28 00:11
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DAFlys Posted at 5-28 00:11
Ive had a couple of ramblers stop and chat when I was wearing the goggles,    think the older generation dont get it.

Bless um' lol - you have ot make allowances sometimes. Pleased to say people have stayed away with me - which is good for them...
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