For social media 4K/30 FPS is just fine, but in Europe we use 25/50 FPS for TV...

So I already noticed some Neo reviews, where NEO footage is jerky - because of 30->25FPS converting (reviewer uses 25 FPS video for Youtube)

For example: (ok, he's from South Afrika)

Also DJI official videos in Youtube (Meet Mini 4 PRo, Meet Avata 2) are 25 FPS, but Meet NEO is 30 fps in Youtube (to avoid jerkines)

I also support suggestion to allow 2.7K/60 (and 2.7K/50) mode.

Digital video recording formats have nothing to do with analog television standards. Analog television is no longer broadcast anywhere in Europe and should not be referred to. Image strobe is possible with incorrect video processing and frame rate changes, this must be done correctly and everything will be fine. This is insufficient qualification in video processing but has nothing to do with analog television standards)

Serg SSA Posted at 9-8 02:26
Digital video recording formats have nothing to do with analog television standards. Analog television is no longer broadcast anywhere in Europe and should not be referred to. Image strobe is possible with incorrect video processing and frame rate changes, this must be done correctly and everything will be fine. This is insufficient qualification in video processing but has nothing to do with analog television standards)

25 vs 30 FPS is not about analog TV standards.

I use Google Ghromecat with TV and if I watch local TV (using local app) then I have to switch to 4K25 or 4K/50 to get smooth video

If I watch 30fps youtube videos, or dowloaded content, I have to use 4K/30 or 4K/50 mode...

bJako Posted at 9-8 02:30
25 vs 30 FPS is not about analog TV standards.

I use Google Ghromecat with TV and if I watch local TV (using local app) then I have to switch to 4K25 or 4K/50 to get smooth video

This only speaks of the shortcomings of your equipment and does not mean that in Europe when viewing digital content there is some difference of 25/50 or 30/60 frames. I repeat, these are just problems of your specific equipment.

While it is true that modern TVs etc. don't stick to NTSC/PAL any more, I still want to second that request for 25fps setting. I am used to produce in 25fps as all my cameras can do this. Why don't I switch  to 30fps? Because image quality is better at 25fps as the bandwith/bitrate used will only have to be "split" to 25 frames instead of 30. So now I end up mixing 25fps with 30fps which will always result in videos that are not smooth.
BTW: the Neo footage is not 30fps, it is 29,97 - which is indeed "oldschool" NTSC style.

DJI: please give us the option to choose between 25 and 30fps - this is something "normal" and even your Osmo products can do that...

i'm sure they will support it .
The question is when?

Aloha,

25fps would be awesome. Yes, tv here is all digital now but still the broadcast signal is in 25 fps in Europe.
Here for example is a small excerpt of production standards for the German tv channel  ZDF:

Identifier: ZDF-S01
Container *.MXF - MXF OP1a nach SMPTE 377 (Single Item Single Package)
Codec AVCIntra100 (H.264 / MPEG-4 AVC High 422 Intra RP2027
Constrained Class 100)
resolution 1920x1080
Frame Rate 25
Chroma Subsampling 4:2:2
Bit Depth 10 bit
Scan Type Progressive (1080p/25) / Interlaced (1080i/25)

El Duderinero Posted at 9-9 12:12
Aloha,

25fps would be awesome. Yes, tv here is all digital now but still the broadcast signal is in 25 fps in Europe.

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El Duderinero Posted at 9-9 12:12
Aloha,

25fps would be awesome. Yes, tv here is all digital now but still the broadcast signal is in 25 fps in Europe.

ignore that ruSSian guy, we in Europe need 25fps

yess please

Its all about power frequency of lights , Us 60hz and we have 50hz in Europe so no flicker with 50 / 25 as i know

MARTINEZX Posted at 9-13 13:29
Its all about power frequency of lights , Us 60hz and we have 50hz in Europe so no flicker with 50 / 25 as i know

It has nothing to do with lights. You can adjust your shutter speed to match lights flickering (and all DJI cameras including Neo will do that automatically if you are at auto shutter with auto flicker detection turned on).

can anybody from DJI confirm they are taking this point seriously?

Serg SSA Posted at 9-8 02:26
Digital video recording formats have nothing to do with analog television standards. Analog television is no longer broadcast anywhere in Europe and should not be referred to. Image strobe is possible with incorrect video processing and frame rate changes, this must be done correctly and everything will be fine. This is insufficient qualification in video processing but has nothing to do with analog television standards)

If you render 30fps footage in 25fps, you will get frame skipping.
If your monitor is not running on something dividable by 30fps, you also get frame skipping.
This was a problem that I had with one of my monitors the other day, the refresh rate was not set right (for me)
If you 'only' use 30/60 etc. fps footage and render in these framerates, there is still a problem in the PAL area and that is flickering of light sources. Not all, but some give very ugly flickering.

I did some tests long time ago.

Montfrooij Posted at 9-26 22:56
If you render 30fps footage in 25fps, you will get frame skipping.
If your monitor is not running on something dividable by 30fps, you also get frame skipping.
This was a problem that I had with one of my monitors the other day, the refresh rate was not set right (for me)

If you render 30fps footage in 25fps, you will get frame skipping.
Why render footage shot at 30fps at 25fps?
If it is really necessary, then during rendering it is necessary to specify that the material shot at 30 fps should be interpreted at 25 fps; there will be no dropped frames, but there will be a slight (17%) slowdown.
The problem of light flickering is related to the frequency of the power grid, in Europe it is 50 Hz, so when shooting at night it is better to set the shutter speed multiple of 50. For this reason SECAM also uses 25 frames per second and PAL uses 30 fps. But this is a consequence of the fight against power grid flickering, this does not mean that all analog systems with a frequency of 25 Hz are the basis of digital standards in Europe. You have confused cause and effect)

Serg SSA Posted at 9-27 00:35
If you render 30fps footage in 25fps, you will get frame skipping.
Why render footage shot at 30fps at 25fps?
If it is really necessary, then during rendering it is necessary to specify that the material shot at 30 fps should be interpreted at 25 fps; there will be no dropped frames, but there will be a slight (17%) slowdown.

I try to avoid this at all times (editing footage shot in PAL and NTSC standards together) but sometimes I have to because the footage is already shot (in the wrong framerates)
Slowing down is the only way to go, but I don't like that for every type of footage as it gives a 'slow motion' feeling. (which can work nicely, but also look unnatural).

I'm not confusing anything or claiming anything.
I'm just explaining why 'we' need 25 / 50fps options in our cameras here in the EU
I have little knowledge about the background of these choices, since they were made by people that were far more clever than I am.

I just happen to have run into the flickering and frame skipping issue often, so I did some research in how to prevent that and using only 25/50 fps footage is the only good way here in the EU.
Unfortunately, some manufacturers seem to omit these options on their cameras.
But not as often as it used to be.

Montfrooij Posted at 9-27 00:50
I try to avoid this at all times (editing footage shot in PAL and NTSC standards together) but sometimes I have to because the footage is already shot (in the wrong framerates)
Slowing down is the only way to go, but I don't like that for every type of footage as it gives a 'slow motion' feeling. (which can work nicely, but also look unnatural).

There is no PAL/SECAM standard for digital recording, there are only different frames per second! No need to mention these analog standards, they have nothing to do with digital recording. Regarding flicker suppression of light sources - this is the only thing for which it is necessary to use a multiple of 50Hz, but this does not mean that you are using SECAM, it is just a frequency and nothing more. In modern editors and in camera settings, you can use flicker suppression options regardless of the frame rate per second you were shooting with.

Serg SSA Posted at 9-27 03:22
There is no PAL/SECAM standard for digital recording, there are only different frames per second! No need to mention these analog standards, they have nothing to do with digital recording. Regarding flicker suppression of light sources - this is the only thing for which it is necessary to use a multiple of 50Hz, but this does not mean that you are using SECAM, it is just a frequency and nothing more. In modern editors and in camera settings, you can use flicker suppression options regardless of the frame rate per second you were shooting with.

Not sure what you mean, but most of my camera's mention PAL / NTSC as options regarding framerates, so apparently they don't agree with you

It's probably a more convenient way of saying 'something dividable by 25 OR something dividable by 30' and therefore they still use these terms today. Even though their origin came from long forgotten times


Flicker suppression does not always work.
The right regional section (PAL/NTSC) does.

Montfrooij Posted at 9-27 03:25
Not sure what you mean, but most of my camera's mention PAL / NTSC as options regarding framerates, so apparently they don't agree with you  

It's probably a more convenient way of saying 'something dividable by 25 OR something dividable by 30' and therefore they still use these terms today. Even though their origin came from long forgotten times

Perhaps some cameras for some reason use these outdated concepts that have nothing to do with the digital sphere. It's good that DJI does not use archaic concepts in its drones)DJI agrees with me )))

Serg SSA Posted at 9-27 03:57
Perhaps some cameras for some reason use these outdated concepts that have nothing to do with the digital sphere. It's good that DJI does not use archaic concepts in its drones)

As long as it is clear to the user, I don't mind

+1 for 25p
i do regular videos for a tv station which need 25p, and with Neo 4k i have to slowdown 30p footage which is not what i want..

Also 2.7k/50p possible with the sensor? Would be my dream

I got two TV and three monitors

The TVs I believe are 120Hz While most of the stuff that does come down the aerial sit between 50 and/or 60Hz. Sometimes sport comes at 100Hz... Movie (especially old stuff) are mostly at 24fps and internet stuff can be anything between 25 to 120Fps... But I'm really failing to see the relation between the Hz and the fps.. The higher the Hz the sharper the picture.. The higher the fps, the smoother the action... Am I missing something?

which sport channel does 100 real Hz??

relaxosmo Posted at 9-28 06:31
which sport channel does 100 real Hz??

Good point... Apology for the mistake. Let me correct myself

The channels are in HD (1080p) and the frequency is still in 50Hz. However some TV can add frames themself to the frequency... (you know like when you pick a different frequency  but still use the same resolution in your computer monitor).. New TVs are really like giant monitor... 120Hz is pretty much the standard now..



Channel in HD are several and actually not just for sport...

https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/List_of_Channels_on_Freeview_(Australia)

so thats not true:
"Sometimes sport comes at 100Hz"

any updates on having 25fps?

Would also want the 25fps option. I shoot in 25fps on my Osmo action 5, Sony zve10 i, pocket 3 and edit on 25 fps timeline. So if i want neo clips i have to set my other cameras to 30 fps to match my neo clips. The other option is set all my other cameras to 30 fps cranck my shutter speed up to 1/100 to avoid the flicker.

djiuser_lO20i2XUFiIz Posted at 10-21 00:15
Would also want the 25fps option. I shoot in 25fps on my Osmo action 5, Sony zve10 i, pocket 3 and edit on 25 fps timeline. So if i want neo clips i have to set my other cameras to 30 fps to match my neo clips. The other option is set all my other cameras to 30 fps cranck my shutter speed up to 1/100 to avoid the flicker.

Aloha
your option would be to edit your 30fps Neo clips as 25fps clips, which would slow them down a little but it will avoid ugly interpolating

@DJI I also edit Mini 4 Pro, Osmo Action 4 Pro clips in 25fps. So why not give the Neo the ability to shoot in 25fps too?

DJI Diana Posted at 9-9 23:11
Hi there.

Thank you for letting us know your concern. Your feedback has been noted and will be passed along to the relevant department for their evaluation. Rest assured, we take all customer feedback seriously and use it to continuously improve our products and services. All significant suggestions will be implemented after the evaluation of our relevant team. For the latest updates please stay tuned to our DJI official website at ( www.dji.com ).

As it has been almost 2 months and lots of users joining here with the same request - is there any update? Thank you.