The Ship Graveyard Video - Some wreackage is so ugly it's attractive to the eye.

You've documented Rust City very well Charles.     Sad to see all those boats just abandoned and rusting away.  

DowntownRDB Posted at 9-15 07:29
You've documented Rust City very well Charles.     Sad to see all those boats just abandoned and rusting away.

I don't understand what makes them sit there. between polluting the water and wasting the scrap. But this scrap yard has been there as long as I can remember.

BetterBizTech Posted at 9-15 07:36
I don't understand what makes them sit there. between polluting the water and wasting the scrap. But this scrap yard has been there as long as I can remember.

Must not have been a demand strong enough for steel in that area or the project was too expensive to fund.

DowntownRDB Posted at 9-15 07:38
Must not have been a demand strong enough for steel in that area or the project was too expensive to fund.

I would imagine the price of towing and breaking it apart is not worth the scrap, but there should be a law that requires the removal of it.

BetterBizTech Posted at 9-15 07:41
I would imagine the price of towing and breaking it apart is not worth the scrap, but there should be a law that requires the removal of it.

There is an abandonment law here in Florida and the penalties and fines are quite expensive.  They seem to justify the exorbitant fines because of negative environmental impact.

DowntownRDB Posted at 9-15 07:45
There is an abandonment law here in Florida and the penalties and fines are quite expensive.  They seem to justify the exorbitant fines because of negative environmental impact.

It makes sense. I would assume that foreign ships don't have a way to be penalized, If you have a tanker that breaks down here, there must be some international  rule for abandonment, but who knows. These ships may have been abandoned before the laws.

It's certainly eye-catching, but for all the wrong reasons. Great overview from the drone.  How long has the dock been in that state?

BetterBizTech Posted at 9-15 08:25
It makes sense. I would assume that foreign ships don't have a way to be penalized, If you have a tanker that breaks down here, there must be some international  rule for abandonment, but who knows. These ships may have been abandoned before the laws.

Every commercial vessel (ship) is required by law to be registered in a country. The laws of the country in question are used if there are any private maritime disputes and control over the ship in regard to things like regulations and procedures.  Flying a foreign flag affects a host of things such as employment and taxes.  

Countries with the most favorable vessel laws and least taxes are Panama, Bermuda, Italy, Malta, and The Netherlands.

Blériot53 Posted at 9-15 09:07
It's certainly eye-catching, but for all the wrong reasons. Great overview from the drone.  How long has the dock been in that state?

This is one of those properties that you can only get to by drone or by boat, so I'm not sure. As a photographer I am part of a photography club that has hiked in for photos, but it is trespassing. It is a bit dangerous to walk there. It' s been there as long as I can remember. The scenery changes every few years, because the ships get dismantled for scrap. There are two areas along the coast that have these scrapyards and they always fascinate me. It's like staring at a car accident.

BetterBizTech Posted at 9-15 09:32
This is one of those properties that you can only get to by drone or by boat, so I'm not sure. As a photographer I am part of a photography club that has hiked in for photos, but it is trespassing. It is a bit dangerous to walk there. It' s been there as long as I can remember. The scenery changes every few years, because the ships get dismantled for scrap. There are two areas along the coast that have these scrapyards and they always fascinate me. It's like staring at a car accident.

It must cause pollution in the river as well.  Far from ideal.

I just hope they sucked all the oil and stuff out before they let it rot!

DowntownRDB Posted at 9-15 09:26
Every commercial vessel (ship) is required by law to be registered in a country. The laws of the country in question are used if there are any private maritime disputes and control over the ship in regard to things like regulations and procedures.  Flying a foreign flag affects a host of things such as employment and taxes.  

Countries with the most favorable vessel laws and least taxes are Panama, Bermuda, Italy, Malta, and The Netherlands.

Interesting, These are things you never think about. I had a client that would fix the radio communications for large freighters that came into Staten Island. He has lots of interesting stories. We manage a small maritime museum website for him, but it' so niche he doesn't get much traffic. He's retired now and wants this maritime communications museum to be his legacy but I told hime it should be on a trailer so it could move from sea town to sea town, because there isn't enough interest for one place.

Blériot53 Posted at 9-15 09:50
It must cause pollution in the river as well.  Far from ideal.

That was my concern. I guess that they drain the tanks and cargo areas. But Staten Island has always been the NYC dumping ground because it has the least population of the 5 boroughs. There are less voters to make a difference.

Depp Posted at 9-15 09:55
I just hope they sucked all the oil and stuff out before they let it rot!

Me too. I can't imagine that they wouldn't, but you never know.

BetterBizTech Posted at 9-15 10:02
That was my concern. I guess that they drain the tanks and cargo areas. But Staten Island has always been the NYC dumping ground because it has the least population of the 5 boroughs. There are less voters to make a difference.

Sounds pretty grim. I'm surprised the Environmental lobby haven't been on the case.

Blériot53 Posted at 9-15 10:10
Sounds pretty grim. I'm surprised the Environmental lobby haven't been on the case.

Here is the history.

BetterBizTech Posted at 9-15 09:56
Interesting, These are things you never think about. I had a client that would fix the radio communications for large freighters that came into Staten Island. He has lots of interesting stories. We manage a small maritime museum website for him, but it' so niche he doesn't get much traffic. He's retired now and wants this maritime communications museum to be his legacy but I told hime it should be on a trailer so it could move from sea town to sea town, because there isn't enough interest for one place.

No doubt a mobile museum moving from major sea port to sea port would be a hit, especially with a little advanced marketing..  Seems like he could seek out a couple of sponsors to at least get the project started.

DowntownRDB Posted at 9-15 10:40
No doubt a mobile museum moving from major sea port to sea port would be a hit, especially with a little advanced marketing..  Seems like he could seek out a couple of sponsors to at least get the project started.

He asked me to be on his board and I told him it was a waste of time unless he made it mobile. He has a building that he owns and would like to keep it there, for nostalgia's sake. I couldn't see the value in that. Lately i'm getting stingy with my advisor time.

BetterBizTech Posted at 9-15 10:12
Here is the history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CXIvjxtAxE

An interesting watch. Nothing really excuses leaving such a disgusting mess as a huge blot on the landscape though.

BetterBizTech Posted at 9-15 10:43
He asked me to be on his board and I told him it was a waste of time unless he made it mobile. He has a building that he owns and would like to keep it there, for nostalgia's sake. I couldn't see the value in that. Lately i'm getting stingy with my advisor time.

I can't blame you for allotting what free time you have to worthwhile projects.

Blériot53 Posted at 9-15 10:49
An interesting watch. Nothing really excuses leaving such a disgusting mess as a huge blot on the landscape though.

Good thing that didn't happen in Florida.  The fines and penalties here for abandoning boats are expensive.  They justify the exorbitant fees saying that it creates an environmental hazard.  The law is tough but it keeps eye sores from happening.

Blériot53 Posted at 9-15 10:49
An interesting watch. Nothing really excuses leaving such a disgusting mess as a huge blot on the landscape though.

It's funny that they don't mention environmental procedures. I would assume that they have to clean out these ships before bringing them to port. At least I hope so. Environmentalists would never stand for it.

DowntownRDB Posted at 9-15 10:56
Good thing that didn't happen in Florida.  The fines and penalties here for abandoning boats are expensive.  They justify the exorbitant fees saying that it creates an environmental hazard.  The law is tough but it keeps eye sores from happening.

A pity that policy isn't adopted for our waterways as well.

DowntownRDB Posted at 9-15 10:53
I can't blame you for allotting what free time you have to worthwhile projects.

I am on the boards of a few groups.
Boy Scouts Greater NYC
NYCID

I was on
North Shore Rotary,
National Lighthouse Museum
Senior Core of Retired Executives SI
Small Business Development Center of SI
and a few others. If they aren't willing to move with the times I leave.

BetterBizTech Posted at 9-15 11:15
It's funny that they don't mention environmental procedures. I would assume that they have to clean out these ships before bringing them to port. At least I hope so. Environmentalists would never stand for it.

You would think that such a large company would be a little more environmentally-conscious.

Blériot53 Posted at 9-15 11:22
You would think that such a large company would be a little more environmentally-conscious.

They may be. They just don't mention it

Blériot53 Posted at 9-15 11:16
A pity that policy isn't adopted for our waterways as well.

Many people were not happy when that initially law passed but since then the waterways have been kept clean of abandoned boats and no more complaints.  

BetterBizTech Posted at 9-15 11:19
I am on the boards of a few groups.
Boy Scouts Greater NYC
NYCID

Dang, you have been really busy.  Can't blame you for moving on from those that don't move forward.  

You need to take your photography group here.   

DowntownRDB Posted at 9-16 02:42
Dang, you have been really busy.  Can't blame you for moving on from those that don't move forward.

SO many companies want you to support the same old things in the same old way. The world is changing.

DAFlys Posted at 9-16 02:43
You need to take your photography group here.

We have been here. The next visit will be to The old Bethlehem Steel Plant in Bethlehem PA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethlehem_Steel
The old Steel Stacks will be fun to photograph.

BetterBizTech Posted at 9-16 03:36
SO many companies want you to support the same old things in the same old way. The world is changing.

Maybe they need to adopt a business strategy closer to this:  "If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough.”  Or, "I'm not interested in preserving the status quo; I want to overthrow it."

DAFlys Posted at 9-16 02:43
You need to take your photography group here.

My photography group has been sneaking in there for years. They get credit for many great places to capture.

DowntownRDB Posted at 9-16 03:43
Maybe they need to adopt a business strategy closer to this:  "If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough.”  Or, "I'm not interested in preserving the status quo; I want to overthrow it."

The funny thing is they constantly ask theboard members to give more at their antiquated fundraisers that can't support them.

desde las alturas describe un lugar abandonado, pero nos deja una gran reflexión sobre el tiempo. SaLudos

Cris_Banchon Posted at 9-16 04:46
desde las alturas describe un lugar abandonado, pero nos deja una gran reflexión sobre el tiempo. SaLudos

Muchos Gracias.

BetterBizTech Posted at 9-16 03:49
The funny thing is they constantly ask theboard members to give more at their antiquated fundraisers that can't support them.

That's hilarious.  

DowntownRDB Posted at 9-16 13:23
That's hilarious.

It is when you aren't digging in to your pocket to make up for the shortfalls.

BetterBizTech Posted at 9-16 13:30
It is when you aren't digging in to your pocket to make up for the shortfalls.

I agree.  

Here's something for you to ponder on.

What is one of the weirdest city's name in the United States?  Hint - this one is in Kentucky.