Hallmark007 Posted at 11-5 09:10
Why post that but don’t post any link ?

Because the same distributors are not refilling stocks anymore and if you want to order it you will pay full price (not a problem for them once the first batch has been pushed out).

I have photos saved anyway.

I know several other users that are still waiting for improvements before buying it as what they have seen is not justifying the purchase respect to a mini4, standard Air3 or Air2s…

Avoletta1977 Posted at 11-5 09:41
Because the same distributors are not refilling stocks anymore and if you want to order it you will pay full price (not a problem for them once the first batch has been pushed out).

I have photos saved anyway…

Gonna keep what I have ,until the Mavic 4 is released then take a look at that one

Base version of Air3s is not even available on Amazon as they are not filling stocks…

Avoletta1977 Posted at 11-5 09:41
Because the same distributors are not refilling stocks anymore and if you want to order it you will pay full price (not a problem for them once the first batch has been pushed out).

I have photos saved anyway.

I think you’ll find thats a sale run by a specific store that is a world wide phenomenon that exists for almost every product its nothing to do with a failing drone. I can show you many stores selling higher or lower prices for drones . It’s misleading to say this has something to do with a bad drone.
Many people wait for various things its all over this forum there are people here still thinking the Mavic 1 will come back. What you have there is a small bargain if your buying its a good offer.

Geo_Drone Posted at 11-5 09:31
Sure ...sure...

Hallmark007 Posted at 11-5 10:20
I think you’ll find thats a sale run by a specific store that is a world wide phenomenon that exists for almost every product its nothing to do with a failing drone. I can show you many stores selling higher or lower prices for drones . It’s misleading to say this has something to do with a bad drone.
Many people wait for various things its all over this forum there are people here still thinking the Mavic 1 will come back. What you have there is a small bargain if your buying its a good offer.

Never seen it for a new DJI product (or any other high demand device).

At the same time is the first time ever Amazon is missing one version of a DJI drone and at least 30% of the reviews of Air3s on Amazon are from "free of charge" devices.

This last thing is very peculiar as well since I've never seen successful products sent for free to mr. 'no one' just to receive a positive review...
Just to be clear, I don't link commercial success to quality as I've had great stuff almost no one else bought, BUT in this case the reason of market skepticism is pretty clear... no matter how good the Air3s is, it's not representing a relevant step over the current DJI range.

Air2s has been a MASSIVE change respect to Air2, it's not the same here... not even close to the minimum expected improvement due to the 1" sensor.

Avoletta1977 Posted at 11-5 10:38
Never seen it for a new DJI product (or any other high demand device).

At the same time is the first time ever Amazon is missing one version of a DJI drone and at least 30% of the reviews of Air3s on Amazon are from "free of charge" devices.

Air 2 was a tiny sensor camera full stop and air2 s was the same camera that was on a Mavic 2 pro. You surely didn’t expect a 3/4 sensor. Listening to you maybe the M3P is the option you’re looking for because you don’t seem to be liking anything about air3s.

For me it’s a great upgrade for little money , there isn’t a single dji drone that was a failure and neither is the air3s . I think your spending your time here trying to convince yourself not to buy .

No, I’m trying to convince myself to buy it as the sensor, ON PAPER, is a strong upgrade. Sadly results seen so far are not any better than my previous Air3.

Avoletta1977 Posted at 11-5 11:32
No, I’m trying to convince myself to buy it as the sensor, ON PAPER, is a strong upgrade. Sadly results seen so far are not any better than my previous Air3.

Buy it try it if you don’t like it return it lots of people do it. But I think you’ll like it.

Hallmark007 Posted at 11-5 12:02
Buy it try it if you don’t like it return it lots of people do it. But I think you’ll like it.

It was my option, but as you can see it’s not available in the configuration I want on Amazon.

Avoletta1977 Posted at 11-5 12:13
It was my option, but as you can see it’s not available in the configuration I want on Amazon.

Its available in all 3 versions on amazon.de

Thanks, I’ll check what happens for refund on items sold from different Country stores.

There's so much criticism on DJI products across the entire forum that you would swear every product was garbage and makes you wonder how DJI is still in business. Thankfully this forum is not representative of the real world.

ryguy80 Posted at 11-5 13:44
There's so much criticism on DJI products across the entire forum that you would swear every product was garbage and makes you wonder how DJI is still in business. Thankfully this forum is not representative of the real world.

yes but... it is incredible how dji have put a worse product in the market than its predecessor. Better sensor, but lower quality due the bitrate. What a pity...

illidan2000 Posted at 11-5 13:54
yes but... it is incredible how dji have put a worse product in the market than its predecessor. Better sensor, but lower quality due the bitrate. What a pity...

True… and even DJI itself is unable to make a decent video with it.  

https://youtu.be/yg-FT1pzwOE?si=3SHpFYrtOZKXtnUh

Laggy, stuttery and over sharpened…

Incredible.

Of course the real drone is able to do much better than this and it has just been edited by a total incompetent, but I can’t understand how it is possible NO ONE in the DJI marketing department has seen how bad it is…

Probably it’s a test from the same guy working on the compression algorithm… he now really kept the quality but saved space by skipping 30% of the frames, very clever.

Avoletta1977 Posted at 11-5 14:21
True… and even DJI itself is unable to make a decent video with it.  

https://youtu.be/yg-FT1pzwOE?si=3SHpFYrtOZKXtnUh

yeah. it seems that they filmed at 30fps and edited in a 25 fps timeline. Or maybe from 60fps to 25....

ryguy80 Posted at 11-5 13:44
There's so much criticism on DJI products across the entire forum that you would swear every product was garbage and makes you wonder how DJI is still in business. Thankfully this forum is not representative of the real world.

You are on a forum people come to complain, thats really it, almost every dji product when released is met with the same rhetoric and nearly always driven by the same people many who have not flown videoed or photographed with the products. It’s almost like they don’t want anyone to buy the products because for whatever reason they haven’t. But one thing is almost guaranteed going by previous products is they all have turned out to be great products and those not happy with them now fade away. In fact dji is increasing their business and for a company their growth to over 80% of the world wide drone market speaks for itself.
I have both these drones the 3 and 3s and for the difference in price the 3s is streets ahead and nothing like you would think from reading the views here.

Hallmark007 Posted at 11-5 15:45
You are on a forum people come to complain, thats really it, almost every dji product when released is met with the same rhetoric and nearly always driven by the same people many who have not flown videoed or photographed with the products. It’s almost like they don’t want anyone to buy the products because for whatever reason they haven’t. But one thing is almost guaranteed going by previous products is they all have turned out to be great products and those not happy with them now fade away. In fact dji is increasing their business and for a company their growth to over 80% of the world wide drone market speaks for itself.
I have both these drones the 3 and 3s and for the difference in price the 3s is streets ahead and nothing like you would think from reading the views here.

I hope you are right about it being as before.  I remember being disappointed with the M2P early on and it did get much better.  Time will tell on this one.

illidan2000 Posted at 11-5 13:54
yes but... it is incredible how dji have put a worse product in the market than its predecessor. Better sensor, but lower quality due the bitrate. What a pity...

Exactly our point here...Of course, some trash DJI fanboys are not happy....
If DJI goes with an upgrade of bitrate at specified 130mbps keeping a CRF of 18 in HEVC, everyone will be happy....

Pass the known harassers here, Hallmark aka David have a long history in this...probably frustrations from school when was bullied.

In rest, we know what we ask in order to benefit from the products we purchase.

Cheers.

Geo_Drone Posted at 11-5 23:29
If DJI goes with an upgrade of bitrate at specified 130mbps keeping a CRF of 18 in HEVC, everyone will be happy....

Yes, that would certainly be the solution to clear up all misunderstandings.

I have tested the Air 3s extensively and also compared with recordings from the Air2s, which film at almost double bitrate. The lower bitrate is neither noticeable nor visible. In my opinion, the material of the Air 3s is a little better in quality. (But there are certainly viewers with better eyesight who can see differences on large 4k TV screens)

The reason for the bitrate reduction is probably due to newer, more effective processing of the HEVC codec. And when we see that most of the time, people watch on smaller screens; tablets or mobile phones, it also makes sense...

However, it would be desirable to provide the user with the option to choose between high quality or reduced quality in a next update...  Who knows?

There are actually only 3 people on this whole thread who own the air3s and are having a problem shooting video with the bitrate that came with the Air3s , so not many complaining about this considering 5000 people visited the thread , it obviously not something the vast majority of people are having problems with . Maybe a new FW will sort it although dji have said on numerous posts they won’t be changing the bitrate.

DroneZone Thailand Posted at 11-6 06:48
Yes, that would certainly be the solution to clear up all misunderstandings.

I have tested the Air 3s extensively and also compared with recordings from the Air2s, which film at almost double bitrate. The lower bitrate is neither noticeable nor visible. In my opinion, the material of the Air 3s is a little better in quality. (But there are certainly viewers with better eyesight who can see differences on large 4k TV screens)

Fully agree...
Also increasing br will help extra fine details that can be seen in editing when zoom 200% in post.
I have tried to film the leafs in trees at 60fps, 4k with very fast SS, but results are not good at all when you have no sky but only smalls details..is starting to diminish the fine details until app leafs edges suffer from a strong aliasing, very annoying.

Avoletta1977 Posted at 11-5 09:59
Base version of Air3s is not even available on Amazon as they are not filling stocks…

I was told by B&H they don't believe they are going to get stock so they are going to pull down the preorder. Perhaps Amazon did the same thing.

BrianKushner Posted at 11-6 20:11
I was told by B&H they don't believe they are going to get stock so they are going to pull down the preorder. Perhaps Amazon did the same thing.

I was able to grab an Air 3s from Drone nerds in Miami their order seems to have gotten through customs

This time waiting has been the correct decision.

Today I found a HUGE (-22%) discount on the Air3s in base version as I needed and finally pulled the trigger.

Now I can have opinions from someone trustworthy...

Avoletta1977 Posted at 11-9 09:00
This time waiting has been the correct decision.

Today I found a HUGE (-22%) discount on the Air3s in base version as I needed and finally pulled the trigger.

yes, I saw this discount also in Italy (mw), but I will not buy it. I will remain with my mini 4 pro @full bitrate

illidan2000 Posted at 11-9 15:10
yes, I saw this discount also in Italy (mw), but I will not buy it. I will remain with my mini 4 pro @full bitrate

Oh so you start the thread and you don’t even own the drone, could have sworn you posted a air3s video. Wow

Avoletta1977 Posted at 11-9 09:00
This time waiting has been the correct decision.

Today I found a HUGE (-22%) discount on the Air3s in base version as I needed and finally pulled the trigger.

Only a fool would buy something he thinks is not worth it

Hallmark007 Posted at 11-9 17:51
Oh so you start the thread and you don’t even own the drone, could have sworn you posted a air3s video. Wow

I wanted to buy It and posted the video given by Someone else to underline the issue and ask the owners about It
I also asked several times to two of my Friends that have it, before open the thread

Hallmark007 Posted at 11-9 17:53
Only a fool would buy something he thinks is not worth it

I could have added a NEO combo and still match retail price. In this case it’s ok.

Will see in three days and if it’s not good enough I’ll sell it gaining some money…

illidan2000 Posted at 11-9 23:07
I wanted to buy It and posted the video given by Someone else to underline the issue and ask the owners about It
I also asked several times to two of my Friends that have it, before open the thread

Yes but this as far as I can see is the only video doing the rounds, if this was so bad there would be tons of videos, so Im inclined to think while a higher bitrate may improve something it also may only act as a placebo . I had thought we would see many bad videos considering the fuss, but even the video you posted could have easily been explained by footage been downgraded both here and you tube. It’s also quite noticeable that most complaints are coming from Italians for some unknown reason .

Hallmark007 Posted at 11-10 04:02
Yes but this as far as I can see is the only video doing the rounds, if this was so bad there would be tons of videos, so Im inclined to think while a higher bitrate may improve something it also may only act as a placebo . I had thought we would see many bad videos considering the fuss, but even the video you posted could have easily been explained by footage been downgraded both here and you tube. It’s also quite noticeable that most complaints are coming from Italians for some unknown reason .

Avoletta1977 Posted at 11-10 04:20

Probably

Hallmark007 Posted at 11-10 04:02
Yes but this as far as I can see is the only video doing the rounds, if this was so bad there would be tons of videos, so Im inclined to think while a higher bitrate may improve something it also may only act as a placebo . I had thought we would see many bad videos considering the fuss, but even the video you posted could have easily been explained by footage been downgraded both here and you tube. It’s also quite noticeable that most complaints are coming from Italians for some unknown reason .

No, in USA the drone Simply came after us, because goods have been blocked by custom.

Now also there they are publishing their complains.
(Both bitrate and moiré)
For the moiré, not everyone has the issue (30% of air3s have the issue)
The bitrate is a number. Everyone can see this Number
It may affect video quality depending on the scene

illidan2000 Posted at 11-10 11:24
No, in USA the drone Simply came after us, because goods have been blocked by custom.

Now also there they are publishing their complains.

Again there have been thousands of these drones sold and both here and you tube complaints about moire and aliasing are down to less than a handful with only one video posted and photos screenshot from the same source being used as an example . I have to say this is almost nothing if only some have problems with moire and aliasing then it would almost certainly be hardware problem because we are all on the same software..
With regards to the US many already commenting here have their drones but none complaining about moire and aliasing and no one on you tube complaining.


Uploading to you tube is more likely to cause aliasing and moire than video camera , there are ways to avoid this happening and many videos to show you how to avoid.

Hallmark007 Posted at 11-10 11:38
Again there have been thousands of these drones sold and both here and you tube complaints about moire and aliasing are down to less than a handful with only one video posted and photos screenshot from the same source being used as an example . I have to say this is almost nothing if only some have problems with moire and aliasing then it would almost certainly be hardware problem because we are all on the same software..
With regards to the US many already commenting here have their drones but none complaining about moire and aliasing and no one on you tube complaining.

Any drone could show the moiré. We agree to this.

I am only saying that there are many air3s that show this issue more than others.
This is not a "feature" of this model, but some (30%) are showing this more than any other drone on the market. There are defected drones.
I am admin in a facebook italian group and some of our users have shown this
One guy has returned his air3s and unfortunately he's got the same issue on the newer One ... Very unlucky

illidan2000 Posted at 11-10 13:03
Any drone could show the moiré. We agree to this.

I am only saying that there are many air3s that show this issue more than others.

I’m afraid I cannot agree that 30% have this problem thats just plain not true , cameras that produce moire or aliasing will not be selective if it occurs in one it will also occur in all of them and no one on this forum the biggest dji forum has it or at least they have not shown they have it. Again and from experience if this was a real problem we would see many posting and we still have only seen a single video posted and reposted and screen grabs taken at over 400% , so yeah if this is a problem why is no one showing this ? The dji facebook groups also are not displaying this problem in any numbers and these groups are small.

illidan2000 Posted at 11-10 13:03
Any drone could show the moiré. We agree to this.

I am only saying that there are many air3s that show this issue more than others.

I would think that 100% of the Air 3S would have moire issues because the drone does not have an anti-aliasing filter.  However, you will not see a large number of complaints because only certain types of subjects will show the moire but more importantly, the average user will not notice it.   Do you have examples where an Air 3S shows moire but another Air 3S does not for the exact same scene?

Occams Razor Posted at 11-10 18:29
I would think that 100% of the Air 3S would have moire issues because the drone does not have an anti-aliasing filter.  However, you will not see a large number of complaints because only certain types of subjects will show the moire but more importantly, the average user will not notice it.   Do you have examples where an Air 3S shows moire but another Air 3S does not for the exact same scene?

No... There are so few air3s sold...

Occams Razor Posted at 11-10 18:29
I would think that 100% of the Air 3S would have moire issues because the drone does not have an anti-aliasing filter.  However, you will not see a large number of complaints because only certain types of subjects will show the moire but more importantly, the average user will not notice it.   Do you have examples where an Air 3S shows moire but another Air 3S does not for the exact same scene?

For those who notice moire there are simple enough remedies, I have been using air3s generally for some weeks now and have not notices moire or anti aliasing. Almost all dji drones don’t have aliasing filter and yes you can sometimes see it appear with M3P for one but it certainly is not a problem no more than any modern digital camera.