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DJI Thor Posted at 10-24 03:57
Hi there, our products have undergone rigorous testing before the release, and we confirmed that there are no issues. If you have used or experienced the product and encounter any problems, we encourage you to provide us with feedback at any time. We are fully committed to offering you further assistance.

Thor,

Can you ask the DEV TEAM that stated this : "we have improved encoding so 75MBPS is not loosing quality versus 150MBPS", this fact:

WHAT IS THE CRF SETTING FOR THE H265 CONTAINER???

Because I can tell you, they increased the CRF from 18 to higher in order to get less size....meaning that you need to put a software sharpening on details output.
This EQUALS with a lower quality, even if users do not see it, at editing and zooming is seen very easy.

This seems to be the altered switch, from CRB to CRF in order to get dynamic compression...
And this is the optimistic guess...if was altered the CRB and is not used CRF, then this is worst.

Cheers.
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If you want other comparison showing the effect of lower bitrate you can look at this video highlighting the same result obtained by Geo_Drone (no offense, but the scenario is much nicer...).

10-24 08:01
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Avoletta1977 Posted at 10-24 08:01
If you want other comparison showing the effect of lower bitrate you can look at this video highlighting the same result obtained by Geo_Drone (no offense, but the scenario is much nicer...).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3acwfbVAiY

No offense taken, we all have same interest, increase bitrate to ensure quality.
I have seen also this and indeed, the effect of lower bitrate and added sharpness is pretty visible.
10-24 08:12
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Avoletta1977 Posted at 10-24 08:01
If you want other comparison showing the effect of lower bitrate you can look at this video highlighting the same result obtained by Geo_Drone (no offense, but the scenario is much nicer...).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3acwfbVAiY

Your posting videos that suit your argument, with little information while ignoring other videos showing no fault also accusing others of sabotaging video to get paid from dji it makes no sense. There are 10 times more videos showing a different view but you choose to ignore searching for something that in no way explains anything about bitrate being the cause with no settings revealed in fact totally lacking any information.
It’s hard to know what it is you’re looking for, no one on this forum from dji are going to give you the information you’re looking for and all the whinning and complaining here will make no difference. All you will get is we will pass on the information bot reply’s . Why not contact dji they will tell you what the future lies for the drone then you can buy or move on but for every bad video you post others can post good ones , its beyond me why you think you’ll get answers here from moderators because no one does and they never have.
10-24 08:20
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Avoletta1977 Posted at 10-24 08:01
If you want other comparison showing the effect of lower bitrate you can look at this video highlighting the same result obtained by Geo_Drone (no offense, but the scenario is much nicer...).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3acwfbVAiY

Here’s one, can you point to the lack of detail in this video.
10-24 08:30
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Hallmark007 Posted at 10-24 08:20
Your posting videos that suit your argument, with little information while ignoring other videos showing no fault also accusing others of sabotaging video to get paid from dji it makes no sense. There are 10 times more videos showing a different view but you choose to ignore searching for something that in no way explains anything about bitrate being the cause with no settings revealed in fact totally lacking any information.
It’s hard to know what it is you’re looking for, no one on this forum from dji are going to give you the information you’re looking for and all the whinning and complaining here will make no difference. All you will get is we will pass on the information bot reply’s . Why not contact dji they will tell you what the future lies for the drone then you can buy or move on but for every bad video you post others can post good ones , its beyond me why you think you’ll get answers here from moderators because no one does and they never have.

I'm referring only to INDEPENDENT creators and you only post something sponsored by DJI.

Shall we stop showing real customers examples only because you don't like them?

Forums exist for sharing info between users and making them aware about limitations hoping for possible improvements.

Do you want to see only positive narration about DJI products?

I can tell you my Mini 4 pro is PERFECT and the NEO has the best rear following capabilities I've ever seen on a drone.

The Air 3 was an incredible machine as well but identical to the Mini4 in terms of video quality.

Therefore I decided to sell it hoping the 'S' would have provided the step ahead... but doesn't.

Since I'd really like to have again a bigger drone I'm trying to understand what to do as the 3s with the needed fixes would be the perfect solution...

10-24 08:38
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Avoletta1977 Posted at 10-24 08:38
I'm referring only to INDEPENDENT creators and you only post something sponsored by DJI.

Shall we stop showing real customers examples only because you don't like them?

I think we might wait for the Mavic 4. We know that it could be expensive, but....
10-24 08:55
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Avoletta1977 Posted at 10-24 08:38
I'm referring only to INDEPENDENT creators and you only post something sponsored by DJI.

Shall we stop showing real customers examples only because you don't like them?

Since I'd really like to have again a bigger drone I'm trying to understand what to do as the 3s with the needed fixes would be the perfect solution...

So why not go and contact dji if you want to find out, the only message you get on this forum is we will pass on your enquiry. You are not going to get any information here until it happens. But if your serious you would do as I did directly contact dji and they will give you the information. Shouting on this forum won’t change what they’re going to do, believe me I’ve been a member here for over 9 years.
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Hallmark007 Posted at 10-24 06:21
Yes and you said the same about pocket 3 , you keep avoiding that but you were hopelessly wrong, just as you were with air 2s and so many other dji products . In fact there is no one on this forum that hates all dji products but continues to buy them. If the air3s is so bad then why do you have it ? Particularly when you are so fond of telling everyone you know so much , does that not seem strange to you.

Sorry, you are off topic.PS. We know you are here from long time, same attitude, nothing changed. A bully remains a bully all his life.
PPS. On YT movie posted by you from someone else is seen how small details of car are gone...so, thank you for proving again what we say.

Bye.

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Geo_Drone Posted at 10-24 09:15
Sorry, you are off topic.
Bye.

I’m not off topic, you just make no sense. You like to portray you know everything. But you advised everyone on the osmo pocket forum to send back their P3 because they were going to go on fire and would never be fixed because it was a hardware issue. And you got that one miserably wrong and you didn’t even own a pocket. So you’re doing the same thing here, you should grow a pair and if your Air3s is so useless crap and dji killed the small details and the Air3s is a hoax “send it back” its your MO that every new release you come on this forum rubbishing it but then buying it , its hilarious and its very much on topic.
I think the only problem you don't like about the video is its a fantastic edit by a real creator editor...
10-24 09:23
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So....
Left is Normal Profile with 45mbps, so called optimised algorithm from DJI...
Right is HLG, 75mbps, also under 130mbps...

Look at small and fine details...anyone can see the difference, as you cannot say 45mbps is not loosing quality versus 75mbps...also 75mbps is lower in quality then 130mbps...

That is all about, DJI, your algorithm is not OK ! Give the 130mbps encoding, we do not mind to have big files...damn...huge files, I do not care, as long as the quality is way better in FINE DETAILS.
Because this cannot be seen in medium or large details, as H265 when is ultra compressed is killing fine small details first.



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Geo_Drone Posted at 10-24 09:54
So....
Left is Normal Profile with 45mbps, so called optimised algorithm from DJI...
Right is HLG, 75mbps, also under 130mbps...
Please ignore the guy… it’s useless to reply him and his only scope is to derail threads for promoting DJI.

The situation is clear for anyone with a minimum knowledge and as soon as the drone will reach its main market (US) in volumes they will be forced to fix it.



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Hallmark007 Posted at 10-24 02:26
Well I think that I opened and flew both of them, the air3s is an upgrade on air3 and air2s as far as my experience, but I also remember the release of the air2s and the constant whining on this forum about the sensor and very similar with air3 but now they’re great as its time to knock the new king on the block.
But each drone has and will be optimized as all dji drones are and I don’t know of one that failed to improve in time. So the usual guff you read is mostly seen through those who constantly wear blinkers.

You are 100% spot on, on this one!

Why does DJI always released new drones first and then spend the next six months optimising the drone until most of the issues are resolved??

Is this a test, to see how clued on, the customers are?

Is this a test to see if they can get away with it??

Surely they are saving money on the R&D department!

So it seems, that after all, we all agree that there are issues that need to be resolved...

Look at the bright side... After the customers have done their unpaid job of testing and researching, DJI do tend to fix most/some of the issue reported...

I believe DJI call them "Fixed some minor bugs." in the firmware download section..

And the wheel goes around...


Point of order:

You said that we don't like DJI products, and yet, it because of us bringing the new issues to the table, that people like you get to enjoy a near perfect drone...

I complained for nearly 18 months when they dropped the forced logout from 90 days to 30, but eventually we got them to put it back to 90 days... It only took 18 months, but it is better than nothing...

Even then, you and the usual suspects here, keep making us feel bad about complaining...

We like DJI products, but what we don't like, it is being taken for a ride...
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Avoletta1977 Posted at 10-24 08:47
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Does an 'ignore' function exist on this forum?

Sure sounds like a great idea.
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Wreckfinder Posted at 10-24 18:02
Sure sounds like a great idea.

If only...
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Burt37 Posted at 10-24 14:19
You are 100% spot on, on this one!

Why does DJI always released new drones first and then spend the next six months optimising the drone until most of the issues are resolved??

Nah because apple do it Microsoft do it cannon do it Fuji do it Nikon do it, in fact all tech do it, firmware introduced after release of products is now what people expect in fact if you read around here they almost demand it, if dji released a product and didn’t introduce FW updates we read they forgot about the product. You seem to be of the opinion you cannot use the air3s , firstly you don’t own one so you cannot know. I do and I’ve watched others use and am watching others use it. You put up a post here asking others will they buy or not buy a product if it doesn’t have what you demand. That’s a Q to start whining before even a product is released, but the whinning is more than likely driven by people who don’t own the product trying to throw their own spanners into the works people who think whinning achieves something. I simply called dji spoke to the people who can give some answers regarding what was advertised and I received the answers I needed , others think that whinning constantly without getting any answers is getting them somewhere, but they get the same response , “we will forward to the correct department “ the fact is on this thread there is about 6 people complaining about this subject and 4 of them don’t even own the drone, so that tells me they are not really that serious about this at all . Go figure.
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Hallmark007 Posted at 10-24 21:19
Nah because apple do it Microsoft do it cannon do it Fuji do it Nikon do it, in fact all tech do it, firmware introduced after release of products is now what people expect in fact if you read around here they almost demand it, if dji released a product and didn’t introduce FW updates we read they forgot about the product. You seem to be of the opinion you cannot use the air3s , firstly you don’t own one so you cannot know. I do and I’ve watched others use and am watching others use it. You put up a post here asking others will they buy or not buy a product if it doesn’t have what you demand. That’s a Q to start whining before even a product is released, but the whinning is more than likely driven by people who don’t own the product trying to throw their own spanners into the works people who think whinning achieves something. I simply called dji spoke to the people who can give some answers regarding what was advertised and I received the answers I needed , others think that whinning constantly without getting any answers is getting them somewhere, but they get the same response , “we will forward to the correct department “ the fact is on this thread there is about 6 people complaining about this subject and 4 of them don’t even own the drone, so that tells me they are not really that serious about this at all . Go figure.

Please stay on topic or we will report you as SPAMMER.
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Hallmark007 Posted at 10-24 21:19
Nah because apple do it Microsoft do it cannon do it Fuji do it Nikon do it, in fact all tech do it, firmware introduced after release of products is now what people expect in fact if you read around here they almost demand it, if dji released a product and didn’t introduce FW updates we read they forgot about the product. You seem to be of the opinion you cannot use the air3s , firstly you don’t own one so you cannot know. I do and I’ve watched others use and am watching others use it. You put up a post here asking others will they buy or not buy a product if it doesn’t have what you demand. That’s a Q to start whining before even a product is released, but the whinning is more than likely driven by people who don’t own the product trying to throw their own spanners into the works people who think whinning achieves something. I simply called dji spoke to the people who can give some answers regarding what was advertised and I received the answers I needed , others think that whinning constantly without getting any answers is getting them somewhere, but they get the same response , “we will forward to the correct department “ the fact is on this thread there is about 6 people complaining about this subject and 4 of them don’t even own the drone, so that tells me they are not really that serious about this at all . Go figure.

Sorry I cound't get past cannon...

The name of the company is  CANON and the other one is Leica. not Lecia!!!!


Happy hour now... No time for theraphy...

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Burt37 Posted at 10-24 22:41
Sorry I cound't get past cannon...

The name of the company is  CANON and the other one is Leica. not Lecia!!!!

The truth obviously hurts, who mentioned Leica ? My first language is Gaelic a lot of what I put up here is translated . Where I live is 90% Gaelic speaking apart from tourists . I make no apologies.
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Geo_Drone Posted at 10-24 22:26
Please stay on topic or we will report you as SPAMMER.

You want to tell your troll friend that , and you’re a spanner “look it up”
(UK, Ireland, mildly derogatory) A stupid or unintelligent person; one prone to making mistakes, you spanner Rodney .



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Hallmark007 Posted at 10-24 23:04
The truth obviously hurts, who mentioned Leica ? My first language is Gaelic a lot of what I put up here is translated . Where I live is 90% Gaelic speaking apart from tourists . I make no apologies.

Where does all this anger come from?

You don't need to apologise to me, for Gaelic being your first language...

All I'm asking you is that you spell the names of those two companies, that you mention so frequently, correctly!!

You could check before selecting Reply Topic, as any person of good manners would do!!

Thank you

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My opinion is that these high tech products should not be purchased on day 1.  Most of them have issues, sometimes quite severe. And usually most of the issues are solved by the firmware upgrades. But, maybe, not all. My purchasing strategy is to wait from 3 to 6 months and to look at the evolutions. But I know that for fanboys this cannot work ...
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Hallmark007 Posted at 10-24 23:04
The truth obviously hurts, who mentioned Leica ? My first language is Gaelic a lot of what I put up here is translated . Where I live is 90% Gaelic speaking apart from tourists . I make no apologies.

"Who mentioned Lecia?"    You did in this post that you went to try to fix after I mentioned this to you:

https://forum.dji.com/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=321589&pid=3446682

The problem is that someone had already replied to you. so you got there a little too late:

https://forum.dji.com/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=321589&pid=3446700    (Thanks to Freetime for quoting Hallmark's post)

This however, prove how low you are willing to go, instead of simply admitting the truth!!

You have no hesitation to lie if it can help you spreading bullsh1t:

https://forum.dji.com/forum.php? ... 589&pid=3449518


Does your mum still change your nappies
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Burt37 Posted at 10-25 12:26
"Who mentioned Lecia?"    You did in this post that you went to try to fix after I mentioned this to you:

https://forum.dji.com/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=321589&pid=3446682

Yeah I dont know how to spell Leica I own two of them , you pointed something out to me I changed it. Get a life you clown and stop trolling . Your worse than the WDTS .
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Hallmark007 Posted at 10-25 12:32
Yeah I dont know how to spell Leica I own two of them , you pointed something out to me I changed it. Get a life you clown and stop trolling . Your worse than the WDTS .

What did you say to me three posts ago?

"The truth obviously hurts"

We have no hestabilished that your first language it is not actually Gaelic... It is Bullsh1t !


Sorry, but I don't believe anything you say anymore, after your last tantrum...


PS

Thank you for spelling once, Leica correctly...

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Burt37 Posted at 10-25 12:41
What did you say to me three posts ago?

"The truth obviously hurts"

hestabilished


What kind of word is that. Did you forget your own rules of checking before you posted.
póg mo thóin

Now Mrs busy body you worse than an auld woman , trying to get one over on anyone , its a pity that this is why your on this forum , but it’s obvious your not here for anything to do with drones , you’re a clown.
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My first language is not English either, and I thank you for pointing out the mistake I made...

You see, it is not that hard...

I think you should stick to just take pictures, (you are obviously very good at)

https://forum.dji.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=322633

and perhaps, give your mouth a rest.. (the part of you that it is not very good)

Have a nice day...
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Burt37 Posted at 10-25 13:04
My first language is not English either, and I thank you for pointing out the mistake I made...

You see, it is not that hard...

Just stop trolling , if you’re not interested in drones move on. And stop lecturing people you sound like a sad teacher ..
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This is the most entertaining thread ive seen in a while, here and elsewhere!!!


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Hallmark007 Posted at 10-25 13:07
Just stop trolling , if you’re not interested in drones move on. And stop lecturing people you sound like a sad teacher ..

Words with you are simply lost... Perhaps a picture?!?

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djiuser_n9LGgh7V9eDO Posted at 10-25 13:09
This is the most entertaining thread ive seen in a while, here and elsewhere!!!

Don’t encourage him , he’s almost impossible to shake off
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djiuser_n9LGgh7V9eDO Posted at 10-25 13:09
This is the most entertaining thread ive seen in a while, here and elsewhere!!!

If you search there are quite a few of these, and surprise surprise Hallmark is in almost all of them...

He is very good at taking pictures, but if you don't agree with him... well, you can see for yourself...
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Coming back on topic (unless for you is more entertaining exchanging insults over internet… guys, find a room it’s clear you love each other).


In the meanwhile DJI confirmed how the S can reach 130Mbps.

It does by recording in 4k@120fps, with a real output of 32.5Mbps@30fps…

So, 32.5x4=130

No comment.
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Avoletta1977 Posted at 10-25 14:20
Coming back on topic (unless for you is more entertaining exchanging insults over internet… guys, find a room it’s clear you love each other).

Thanks, and coming from you, it really means a lot to me..

So, that's how we get 130mbps....

Where did DJI confirmed that?

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illidan2000 Posted at 10-17 01:17
https://cdn.djivideos.com/video_play/119e26aa-19b5-4bff-8498-28974e438b4a
https://cdn.djivideos.com/video_play/119e26aa-19b5-4bff-8498-28974e438b4a

Do you have any shots that are properly exposed? Your poor exposure is also making the image look degraded. I do see the moire but more shots that are correctly exposed would help asses the image.
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Avoletta1977 Posted at 10-17 08:00
I'm confirming you at the moment the Air3s is NOT REACHING 130Mbps, not even close.

You want to see it by yourself, no problem... but a bit of trust in it other people wouldn't hurt

I believe it. Do you have any sample images? I noticed that the drone's noise level is so high even in their promo release video. I actually couldn't believe how noisy that trailer is releasing the drone. When I saw that I knew something was wrong...
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Burt37 Posted at 10-25 15:13
Thanks, and coming from you, it really means a lot to me..

So, that's how we get 130mbps....
Here in attach.

Since someone thinks I’m naive… I contacted DJI support immediately after this topic has been opened.

They needed all this time to confess the 130Mbps are only INSIDE the drone and, in that case, the quality achievable is equivalent to 30Mbps@30fps…

Frankly speaking I’ve never needed to use this mode on my drones so I can’t compare and I don’t have access to the Mini4 until Monday,

Can someone check the maximum Bitrate on Air3 in the same conditions?


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Anyone try the latest firmware? I'm not able to test until next week.
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Cine_Dude Posted at 10-25 21:53
Anyone try the latest firmware? I'm not able to test until next week.

Nothing changed...
The 60 FPS on fast moving scenes still looks like garbage on small details....More visible in Normal mode, veery visible in DLOGM mode.  

Also on FB DJI is pretty aggressive in responses like They have optimized the coding...But when you present to them how bad is the output on 60fps, they just get silent.
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