Hi DJI! Can we get a .dcp Camera Profile for the DJI Air 3s?
Without it, there's no way to get accurate colors from RAW images in Lightroom or Camera RAW.
It seems like Camera RAW doesn't recognize this drone yet, and we cannot use the older Air 3 profile.

The Air 3s camera model is FC9184, while the Air 3 uses the DJI FC8282. Therefore, we can't use the older profile and need a new one.

Probably best to post that on the Adobe forum.    Thats who tend to make the profiles.

This is a known issue with DJI drones.  The Mavic 3 series took literally years to get these profiles, so I wouldn't be expecting them anytime soon.

I'm not sure if the problem lies with DJI or with Adobe, but it is a real problem.  I wouldn't buy a drone that can't utilise the profiles, which is the reason I held off for so long before jumping at the Mavic 3 Pro.

RemoteHorizons Posted at 10-19 03:06
This is a known issue with DJI drones.  The Mavic 3 series took literally years to get these profiles, so I wouldn't be expecting them anytime soon.

I'm not sure if the problem lies with DJI or with Adobe, but it is a real problem.  I wouldn't buy a drone that can't utilise the profiles, which is the reason I held off for so long before jumping at the Mavic 3 Pro.

That’s not strictly true, the mavic 3 had built in corrections. As did the M2 .

Oh, that's really bad news. I never thought this kind of issue could occur. In that case, I have an additional question: is there any way to 'rewrite' the camera info in the RAW file so that Lightroom will recognize my Air 3S footage as Air 3 footage? I tried some EXIF editors, but none of them worked.

I also made a post on the Adobe forum: https://community.adobe.com/t5/camera-raw-bugs/dji-fc9184-air-3s-wide-and-telelens-dji-air-3s-camera-profiles-dcp/idi-p/14928507#M5925

RemoteHorizons Posted at 10-19 03:06
This is a known issue with DJI drones.  The Mavic 3 series took literally years to get these profiles, so I wouldn't be expecting them anytime soon.

I'm not sure if the problem lies with DJI or with Adobe, but it is a real problem.  I wouldn't buy a drone that can't utilise the profiles, which is the reason I held off for so long before jumping at the Mavic 3 Pro.

With Adobe DNG Profile Editor, I was able to import an Air 3S RAW image, change the built-in profile setting from "Baseline Profile" to "Camera Raw Default" and save it as a new profile.

I placed it in the Camera RAW "Camera Profiles" folder,
and now everything looks much much better.

You can download .dcp files for both Wide and Tele cameras here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16N32zIXnsFFnC_RswBeJ3USpTBhH_2_-?usp=share_link

I tried using Air3 profiles, but it seems DJI made significant changes with these cameras, so the older profiles give really weird results.

Hi all,
A bit different but as you already editing air3s raw files perhaps you can help.
I'm flying an air 2s and used it mainly for landscape photography. Not video. That 20 mp sensor delivers nice detailed shots.
I'm considering to upgrade to the air 3s but not sure what the image quality on that is compared to my air2s. And I'm not talking about dynamic ranga. Details.
Is it really a native 50 mp sensor or some 12 mo stacked as it was in the air 3?
Is there any way to share some raw images that i could take a look at to decide?
I'd be dreading to make a mistake and sell my trusted buddy if air3s is not as good as on paper.
Thank you

kreinr Posted at 10-21 21:36
Hi all,
A bit different but as you already editing air3s raw files perhaps you can help.
I'm flying an air 2s and used it mainly for landscape photography. Not video. That 20 mp sensor delivers nice detailed shots.

The "native" photo resolution is still 12 MP. The video capabilities have been significantly improved, but if you only take photos, I think it's a bit of a waste of money.
Photo quality is better, of course, but nothing groundbreaking. I would maybe wait for an Air 4. Here's a straight-out-of-camera JPG:
You can also check the RAW file here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1eyM0HRF8ddd6nqsepY9zUapcquCKkzWx?usp=share_link

Ilya Havrylov Posted at 10-22 00:23
The "native" photo resolution is still 12 MP. The video capabilities have been significantly improved, but if you only take photos, I think it's a bit of a waste of money.
Photo quality is better, of course, but nothing groundbreaking. I would maybe wait for an Air 4. Here's a straight-out-of-camera JPG:[view_image]
You can also check the RAW file here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1eyM0HRF8ddd6nqsepY9zUapcquCKkzWx?usp=share_link

Hi Ilya,
Thank you for your reply and also for the raw file.
Can I ask you how you know that it has a native 12 mp sensor when DJI states that it is 50 mp?
I looked at the raw file in Lightroom. It didn`t blow me away and all honestly the noise, especially the colour noise is worse then my air 2s and I get more details from it too. Which has a 20 mp 1" sensor. That is why I think something is not right.
Thank you for your opinion about it is not worthy then. It helps a lot. I was gonna upgrade only because of the miles better flight time and safety features and I could have done it from about £300 only after selling my air 2s. But perhaps that would be a huge mistake.

fansc80ee2b3 Posted at 10-22 01:20
Hi Ilya,
Thank you for your reply and also for the raw file.
Can I ask you how you know that it has a native 12 mp sensor when DJI states that it is 50 mp?

I think there is one aspect of the Air3s many are missing basically along the lines that now with Free Pano Mode and using the 70mm lens you can capture a Pano that covers the same area as the 24mm Lens and then stitch the images outside the camera, you should get an image that's almost 3x more detailed than a single 24mm image taken with the 24mm lens. We tested it manually with the Air3 here https://forum.dji.com/forum.php? ... D922%26typeid%3D922
that was doing it manually on the Air3 now with the Air3s and Free pano mode it's automatic.

I'm hoping some will post results of this test with the Air3s on this forum but in theory it should give the best effective photo quality for any 24mm equivalent shot from a Air drone and a huge plus for stills photographers.  Perfect for the type of stuff you are taking.

Ilya Havrylov Posted at 10-19 06:16
Oh, that's really bad news. I never thought this kind of issue could occur. In that case, I have an additional question: is there any way to 'rewrite' the camera info in the RAW file so that Lightroom will recognize my Air 3S footage as Air 3 footage? I tried some EXIF editors, but none of them worked.

I think you will be waiting until adobe sort it, but I think they will but the seem to take their time with dji products WHOS to blame I’m not sure.

Bussty Posted at 10-22 03:29
I think there is one aspect of the Air3s many are missing basically along the lines that now with Free Pano Mode and using the 70mm lens you can capture a Pano that covers the same area as the 24mm Lens and then stitch the images outside the camera, you should get an image that's almost 3x more detailed than a single 24mm image taken with the 24mm lens. We tested it manually with the Air3 here https://forum.dji.com/forum.php? ... D922%26typeid%3D922
that was doing it manually on the Air3 now with the Air3s and Free pano mode it's automatic.

Oh, sorry, I posted a photo from the 70mm camera. I haven't taken any photos from the 24mm yet. I'll post more when I do.

Bussty Posted at 10-22 03:29
I think there is one aspect of the Air3s many are missing basically along the lines that now with Free Pano Mode and using the 70mm lens you can capture a Pano that covers the same area as the 24mm Lens and then stitch the images outside the camera, you should get an image that's almost 3x more detailed than a single 24mm image taken with the 24mm lens. We tested it manually with the Air3 here https://forum.dji.com/forum.php? ... D922%26typeid%3D922
that was doing it manually on the Air3 now with the Air3s and Free pano mode it's automatic.

That auto pani mode looks epic. And yes that is appealing but if taking all the time pano just because the main sensor is either mis advertised or just not up to the task? The noise is worse with quite a bit on the air 3s too. Not even ai noise reduction managed to save the image. That could be because of the tiny pixels. Let down to me. I wanted to buy it soooo much but it's a killer.
Perhaps dji know well the market and sacrifices the "photographers" to the need of videographers.

Ilya Havrylov Posted at 10-19 15:59
With Adobe DNG Profile Editor, I was able to import an Air 3S RAW image, change the built-in profile setting from "Baseline Profile" to "Camera Raw Default" and save it as a new profile.

I placed it in the Camera RAW "Camera Profiles" folder,

Thanks for sharing your work, gave the profiles a try and love the results!

fansc80ee2b3 Posted at 10-22 05:21
That auto pani mode looks epic. And yes that is appealing but if taking all the time pano just because the main sensor is either mis advertised or just not up to the task? The noise is worse with quite a bit on the air 3s too. Not even ai noise reduction managed to save the image. That could be because of the tiny pixels. Let down to me. I wanted to buy it soooo much but it's a killer.
Perhaps dji know well the market and sacrifices the "photographers" to the need of videographers.

I think it's going to be a while before we have a drone camera that will give photographers what they are used to on the ground, this and the 360 pano mode will probably be the only modes I use on the Air3s plus if your image is effectively 9x the surface area (I base that on if the 70mm is a third the width of the 24mm if taken from the same point it would take 9 sensors worth of data to cover the same area as the 24mm lens) that's a lot of pixels and noise will largely be reduced significantly.

You are right DJI definitely favors Videographers in terms of features but this feature alone will make me buy the AIr3s just would really like to see an example first stitched in something like PTGUI or Panorama Studio.

Cheers   

Ilya Havrylov Posted at 10-22 03:52
Oh, sorry, I posted a photo from the 70mm camera. I haven't taken any photos from the 24mm yet. I'll post more when I do.

Iiya would love to see at full resolution a stitch using the 70mm lens covering the 24mm view and a comparison 24mm single shot so if you are ever up for it would be much appreciated.

Ilya Havrylov Posted at 10-19 15:59
With Adobe DNG Profile Editor, I was able to import an Air 3S RAW image, change the built-in profile setting from "Baseline Profile" to "Camera Raw Default" and save it as a new profile.

I placed it in the Camera RAW "Camera Profiles" folder,

Thanks for your work!
Can you please explain, which profiles for the Air3S I need to download and to use then?
Basic profile or Camera Raw Profile?

UweE Posted at 10-22 23:52
Thanks for your work!
Can you please explain, which profiles for the Air3S I need to download and to use then?
Basic profile or Camera Raw Profile?

For Adobe, the most correct profile is "Camera RAW Default", which is an interpretation of the Baseline Profile specifically for Adobe. You can also use the Linear profile, which skips gamma correction and produces a flatter result. Please use Air 3S profiles, you have quite a few because you need different profiles for different cameras and Air 3S has 2 cameras. I also saved "Air 3" profiles but this is just a TEST of how old Air 3 profiles will behave on the new Air 3S.

Bussty Posted at 10-22 11:28
Iiya would love to see at full resolution a stitch using the 70mm lens covering the 24mm view and a comparison 24mm single shot so if you are ever up for it would be much appreciated.

Found some sample photos online, maybe you will be interested: https://billy-kyle.com/dji-air-3s-example-files

Ilya Havrylov Posted at 10-23 09:09
Found some sample photos online, maybe you will be interested: https://billy-kyle.com/dji-air-3s-example-files

Thanks Ilya unfortunately I think the only software capable of editing Air3s DNG's right now is Photoshop and I run Photolab 7. Is strange you think like most camera manufacturers on day of release DJI would have some sort of software  (even basic) that can provide an image from a DNG you could edit.

Cheers   

For anybody wanting to edit 70mm Air3s files in DXO Photolab (maybe other software) use ExifTool and ExifGUI and turning on "Ignore minor errors in metadata" you can edit the camera to FC8282 and it works!  Doesn't work for the 24mm probably as the sensor is quite different from the previous version. If trying to change the camera model in ExifGui make sure when over the camera field hit enter then enter the new one then save (might have to hit enter again also)

fansc80ee2b3 Posted at 10-22 01:20
Hi Ilya,
Thank you for your reply and also for the raw file.
Can I ask you how you know that it has a native 12 mp sensor when DJI states that it is 50 mp?

It is in fact a 12mp sensor,with a 50mp setting,it is listed in the spec sheet on the Air3S

Bussty Posted at 10-22 11:26
I think it's going to be a while before we have a drone camera that will give photographers what they are used to on the ground, this and the 360 pano mode will probably be the only modes I use on the Air3s plus if your image is effectively 9x the surface area (I base that on if the 70mm is a third the width of the 24mm if taken from the same point it would take 9 sensors worth of data to cover the same area as the 24mm lens) that's a lot of pixels and noise will largely be reduced significantly.

You are right DJI definitely favors Videographers in terms of features but this feature alone will make me buy the AIr3s just would really like to see an example first stitched in something like PTGUI or Panorama Studio.

Yesterday i watched the air 3ws vs mavic 3 pro video and there are loads of footages and raw dng s to download. I was well surprised. The images looked fine. Not sure what were the problem with the previous few i saw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr_uW6BYk9o

Ilya Havrylov Posted at 10-23 09:09
Found some sample photos online, maybe you will be interested: https://billy-kyle.com/dji-air-3s-example-files

Just watched them yesterday. Surprisingly good images. Air 3s could be back on the table for me

fansc80ee2b3 Posted at 10-24 03:16
Yesterday i watched the air 3ws vs mavic 3 pro video and there are loads of footages and raw dng s to download. I was well surprised. The images looked fine. Not sure what were the problem with the previous few i saw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr_uW6BYk9o

Watched this today also, looks very promising

fansc80ee2b3 Posted at 10-24 03:16
Yesterday i watched the air 3ws vs mavic 3 pro video and there are loads of footages and raw dng s to download. I was well surprised. The images looked fine. Not sure what were the problem with the previous few i saw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr_uW6BYk9o

Well each file is approx 32MB  and to show on here you must reduce to less than 2mb. This site will only accept the latter and further more unless you cut them down to 2mb the auto downscale will put them in at way less than 1mb.

Bussty Posted at 10-23 20:20
For anybody wanting to edit 70mm Air3s files in DXO Photolab (maybe other software) use ExifTool and ExifGUI and turning on "Ignore minor errors in metadata" you can edit the camera to FC8282 and it works!  Doesn't work for the 24mm probably as the sensor is quite different from the previous version. If trying to change the camera model in ExifGui make sure when over the camera field hit enter then enter the new one then save (might have to hit enter again also)

In your case maybe you can type Air 2S camera for 24mm, since it had 1inch sensor too.

Ilya Havrylov Posted at 10-24 05:44
In your case maybe you can type Air 2S camera for 24mm, since it had 1inch sensor too.

Hi Ilya

I found an Air2s image on the web and it showed the actual camera description in the EXIF data but when  I changed that using ExiftoolGUI Photolab wouldn't accept.

Cheers  

Affinity Photo (Serif) will let you edit Air 3S raw files.

Catus Posted at 10-24 21:17
Affinity Photo (Serif) will let you edit Air 3S raw files.

Thank you I have that!

Bussty Posted at 10-24 23:38
Thank you I have that!

My pleasure, have a great day.

Hallmark007 Posted at 10-19 03:33
That’s not strictly true, the mavic 3 had built in corrections. As did the M2 .

Hi Hallmark007 - I was referring specifically to colour profiles, not lens correction.  Without the colour profiles, DJI files do not look good in Adobe software.

Hallmark007 Posted at 10-19 03:33
That’s not strictly true, the mavic 3 had built in corrections. As did the M2 .

Hi Hallmark007 - I was referring specifically to colour profiles, not lens correction.  Without the colour profiles, DJI files do not look good in Adobe software.

New Camera RAW update and still no profiles

oberschneider.com Posted at 10-22 06:02
Thanks for sharing your work, gave the profiles a try and love the results!

I completely forgot that I had a ColorCheker somewhere in my closet XD. I’ve added new profiles created using the X-rite chart to the previous link: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16N32zIXnsFFnC_RswBeJ3USpTBhH_2_-?usp=share_link

Ilya Havrylov Posted at 10-18 10:52
The Air 3s camera model is FC9184, while the Air 3 uses the DJI FC8282. Therefore, we can't use the older profile and need a new one.

The 24mm camera model is FC9113.

2gh Posted at 11-17 05:58
The 24mm camera model is FC9113.

Yeah, the FC9184 is actually 70mm. Anyway, the camera models are completely different for both sensors compared to Air3.

Ilya Havrylov Posted at 11-17 05:31
I completely forgot that I had a ColorCheker somewhere in my closet XD. I’ve added new profiles created using the X-rite chart to the previous link: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16N32zIXnsFFnC_RswBeJ3USpTBhH_2_-?usp=share_link

You're the man! Thanks again!