Hi, am I correct in my asssumption that it's still illegal to use a NEO with the N3 Goggles in the UK without another person with you as a spotter?

Yes you are correct.

See https://register-drones.caa.co.u ... ely-and-responsibly, yes you must have an observer stood next to you whilst you are flying wearing goggles on in the UK, exception only if you're flying inside in a contained space (where the drone can not escape outside) where the CAA regs don't apply, or under specific sterile racing conditions say if a member of FPV UK and using their article 16 exemption, some details on that here https://fpvuk.org/fpv-uk-article ... risation-explained/ but that's quite a special use case.

Thanks, that's the reason I won't be buying a set . . .

Not really just fly sensible and close to

harrismix Posted at 11-22 05:38
Thanks, that's the reason I won't be buying a set . . .

Get a friend.

Hi harris,

Thank You for reaching out. We are truly sorry for the inconvenience you are experiencing. Please consult your local authorities or the UK Civil Aviation Authority to ensure compliance with local regulations. We do not have specific information on this matter. If you have any other questions, kindly let us know. Thank You!

You need to understand what is defined as airspace. The CAA don’t control airspace below a certain height that is undefined but it certainly does not control airspace below 5 m high which is the zone I tend to fly my Neo in

Bigplumbs Posted at 11-23 08:08
You need to understand what is defined as airspace. The CAA don’t control airspace below a certain height that is undefined but it certainly does not control airspace below 5 m high which is the zone I tend to fly my Neo in

are you saying that Solo FPV mode with goggles is not illegal below 5m height?

Bigplumbs Posted at 11-23 08:08
You need to understand what is defined as airspace. The CAA don’t control airspace below a certain height that is undefined but it certainly does not control airspace below 5 m high which is the zone I tend to fly my Neo in

That's not the case I'm afraid, you do need a spotter when flying FPV unless under specific conditions as I detailed in my post above.  Also remember that there is no guarantee the drone wouldn't fly higher if say out of control, pilot error, wind etc not that is relavant here...

Gotta love the drone police, how many videos have you seen where people are flying FPV in all countries without spotters, there are hundreds, even some of the big youtubers themselves do it.

MiniManiac Posted at 11-24 05:43
Gotta love the drone police, how many videos have you seen where people are flying FPV in all countries without spotters, there are hundreds, even some of the big youtubers themselves do it.

True but the problem is that we would have no defence when challenged if we were operating a drone illegally, thus opening one's self to prosecution and possibly confiscation of equipment by authorities.

harrismix Posted at 11-24 07:56
True but the problem is that we would have no defence when challenged if we were operating a drone illegally, thus opening one's self to prosecution and possibly confiscation of equipment by authorities.

JMHO, as of today.  VLOS requirements do not seemed to be enforced or strictly adhered to by many, maybe most drone users. Recreational UAS fliers are a very, very small % of the population. Maybe from law enforcement side not worth the time. .  At least locally the local law enforcement seems to let things pass.  Bit like people driving over the speed limit up to a point.  5mph over and less not usually an issue.  Normally under 10mph over is not an issue.  Except when the county needs some revenue.

In the USA the FAA has jurisdiction of all air space except within a structure.

OldGuy2024 Posted at 11-24 14:11
JMHO, as of today.  VLOS requirements do not seemed to be enforced or strictly adhered to by many, maybe most drone users. Recreational UAS fliers are a very, very small % of the population. Maybe from law enforcement side not worth the time. .  At least locally the local law enforcement seems to let things pass.  Bit like people driving over the speed limit up to a point.  5mph over and less not usually an issue.  Normally under 10mph over is not an issue.  Except when the county needs some revenue.

In the USA the FAA has jurisdiction of all air space except within a structure.

Thanks, I am in the UK

harrismix Posted at 11-24 14:12
Thanks, I am in the UK

Could be interesting over the next several months.  Unsure what if any import tariffs or restrictions will have on DJI.  If any.  No point in speculating.  What happens, happens.  That is regarding pretty much anything and everything.  

Axelz Posted at 11-24 04:20
That's not the case I'm afraid, you do need a spotter when flying FPV unless under specific conditions as I detailed in my post above.  Also remember that there is no guarantee the drone wouldn't fly higher if say out of control, pilot error, wind etc not that is relavant here...

Not true people cannot legislate in areas not under their control. Are you saying you would need a spotter if you fly in your house. Come on apply some common sees think and stop linking stuff from the internet like some sort of sheep

MiniManiac Posted at 11-24 05:43
Gotta love the drone police, how many videos have you seen where people are flying FPV in all countries without spotters, there are hundreds, even some of the big youtubers themselves do it.

Quite. The foolish I am clever than you drone police are the ones that inhibit our hobby. No one cares if you are sensible where and how you fly. It’s like they have OCD and can’t be an individual

OldGuy2024 Posted at 11-24 14:11
JMHO, as of today.  VLOS requirements do not seemed to be enforced or strictly adhered to by many, maybe most drone users. Recreational UAS fliers are a very, very small % of the population. Maybe from law enforcement side not worth the time. .  At least locally the local law enforcement seems to let things pass.  Bit like people driving over the speed limit up to a point.  5mph over and less not usually an issue.  Normally under 10mph over is not an issue.  Except when the county needs some revenue.

In the USA the FAA has jurisdiction of all air space except within a structure.

Airspace does not include very low zones. If it did you could never build a building

harrismix Posted at 11-24 07:56
True but the problem is that we would have no defence when challenged if we were operating a drone illegally, thus opening one's self to prosecution and possibly confiscation of equipment by authorities.

Carry on banging on mate it is people like you that restrict our hobby. Are you incapable of judging for yourself or flying sensibly or are you just an automaton sheep

harrismix Posted at 11-23 08:41
are you saying that Solo FPV mode with goggles is not illegal below 5m height?

I am saying that height and where you fly is relevant. In my garden below the trees and bushes is not airspace now is it and was never intended to be regulated. Use your own brain don’t just regurgitate nonsense

Bigplumbs Posted at 11-24 22:28
I am saying that height and where you fly is relevant. In my garden below the trees and bushes is not airspace now is it and was never intended to be regulated. Use your own brain don’t just regurgitate nonsense

Understand your frustrations but the original post was about legality, we already have clarified around that and provided the link (and I'm sure you're well aware of the drone code here in the UK).  What you are still saying isn't legal and thinking you have some kind of work around due to the low height and where you're flying, no such "grey area".  Problem is the area above the drone where it could still potentially fly... when not in a contained area, hence this restriction being in place.  Just fly the drone with the controller and a phone/tablet, or directly with phone/tablet over wifi, easy if you don't have a spotter and want to be legal...but of course you can continue to choose not to be.

Bigplumbs Posted at 11-24 22:25
Carry on banging on mate it is people like you that restrict our hobby. Are you incapable of judging for yourself or flying sensibly or are you just an automaton sheep

Oh dear we do seem to be having some issues with authority don't we? Perhaps you could enlighten everyone by explaining what your legal defence would be if questioned by law enforcement if you were caught flying using goggles in FPV mode without a spotter? Would you repremand them for 'banging on' about the law, call them sheep or tell them you have special permission because 'lots of YouTubers do it'?

Bigplumbs Posted at 11-24 22:25
Carry on banging on mate it is people like you that restrict our hobby. Are you incapable of judging for yourself or flying sensibly or are you just an automaton sheep

Irresponsible, self centered attitudes and behavior  by people in "our hobby" end up resulting in restrictions that restrict our hobby.

In the USA prior IIRC to 2015.  No real restrictions for FPV if you fly with a vtx of 25mW or less.  Then FAA required or strongly recommended UAS registration.   Now we have municipalities that ban take off and landing of UAS.  They cannot ban UAS flying over unrestricted air space.  FAA has jurisdiction of all airspace.  In the USA the moment your UAS leaves the ground you are in FAA controlled air space.  Unless flying indoors. Guessing UASs were not even considered by the FAA as aircraft prior to 2015.  Just toys.  

I thought I'd just drop this into the chat, now this is ridiculous, who doesn't look at the live video the majority of the time while they are flying ? So this is suggesting you should have a spotter, is flying a drone a two man operation, no !

harrismix Posted at 11-24 07:56
True but the problem is that we would have no defence when challenged if we were operating a drone illegally, thus opening one's self to prosecution and possibly confiscation of equipment by authorities.

True but the problem is that we would have no defence when challenged if we were operating a drone illegally, thus opening one's self to prosecution and possibly confiscation of equipment by authorities.

In the UK the cops are to busy arresting people for saying hurty words on the internet to be arsed about me in a field somewhere flying my drone over 400ft and well beyond (well well beyond) line of sight, if you live your life always obeying each and every daft rule that applied at a time when model aircraft were just dumb units that had no intelligence then yu may as well just give up flying and play scalextric

MiniManiac Posted at 11-26 12:15
True but the problem is that we would have no defence when challenged if we were operating a drone illegally, thus opening one's self to prosecution and possibly confiscation of equipment by authorities.

In the UK the cops are to busy arresting people for saying hurty words on the internet to be arsed about me in a field somewhere flying my drone over 400ft and well beyond (well well beyond) line of sight, if you live your life always obeying each and every daft rule that applied at a time when model aircraft were just dumb units that had no intelligence then yu may as well just give up flying and play scalextric

Just tell them that, see what they say.

Mavic57Minis Posted at 11-25 13:04
I thought I'd just drop this into the chat, now this is ridiculous, who doesn't look at the live video the majority of the time while they are flying ? So this is suggesting you should have a spotter, is flying a drone a two man operation, no !

Indeed, FPV does count as looking at your screen (first person view) not just through goggles, though CAA more concerned about wearing goggles as you can't just look to see where the drone is when you are wearing those and loose situational awareness and what's going on around you and the drone.  Ideally people are flying by VLOS so only glancing at their controller to see the various stats such as battery life, distance and height, though that rarely happens in reality.  Not what we are really talking about here though, question was about goggles, but something to bear in mind...

Axelz Posted at 11-25 01:07
Understand your frustrations but the original post was about legality, we already have clarified around that and provided the link (and I'm sure you're well aware of the drone code here in the UK).  What you are still saying isn't legal and thinking you have some kind of work around due to the low height and where you're flying, no such "grey area".  Problem is the area above the drone where it could still potentially fly... when not in a contained area, hence this restriction being in place.  Just fly the drone with the controller and a phone/tablet, or directly with phone/tablet over wifi, easy if you don't have a spotter and want to be legal...but of course you can continue to choose not to be.

You are full of total nonsense my friend. If you believe some authority can stop you flying your drone in your own garden below about 2 meters and below trees you are so far out of wac with reality. Just stop sending links and quoting nonsense. It is not big or clever it is just plain stupid. I will never read any ridiculous links which by the way prove nothing. My advice to you is to get real

harrismix Posted at 11-26 13:19
Just tell them that, see what they say.

The reality is there will be no one to tell as no one with any brain cares. God there are some gutless pathetic people about.

MiniManiac Posted at 11-26 12:15
True but the problem is that we would have no defence when challenged if we were operating a drone illegally, thus opening one's self to prosecution and possibly confiscation of equipment by authorities.

In the UK the cops are to busy arresting people for saying hurty words on the internet to be arsed about me in a field somewhere flying my drone over 400ft and well beyond (well well beyond) line of sight, if you live your life always obeying each and every daft rule that applied at a time when model aircraft were just dumb units that had no intelligence then yu may as well just give up flying and play scalextric

Spot on. I would go further and say you might as well give up on life and sit shivering with fear in the corner of your room with the lights off. Go buy a T shirt that says get a life

Mavic57Minis Posted at 11-25 13:04
I thought I'd just drop this into the chat, now this is ridiculous, who doesn't look at the live video the majority of the time while they are flying ? So this is suggesting you should have a spotter, is flying a drone a two man operation, no !

Just ignor this nonsense, use you brain and fly sensibly. There will always be those sad OCD afflicted fools who can’t help trying to inflict it on others. None of those people would dare say anything to your face. Pathetic sad people

OldGuy2024 Posted at 11-25 08:10
Irresponsible, self centered attitudes and behavior  by people in "our hobby" end up resulting in restrictions that restrict our hobby.

In the USA prior IIRC to 2015.  No real restrictions for FPV if you fly with a vtx of 25mW or less.  Then FAA required or strongly recommended UAS registration.   Now we have municipalities that ban take off and landing of UAS.  They cannot ban UAS flying over unrestricted air space.  FAA has jurisdiction of all airspace.  In the USA the moment your UAS leaves the ground you are in FAA controlled air space.  Unless flying indoors. Guessing UASs were not even considered by the FAA as aircraft prior to 2015.  Just toys.

Total squit. Get some guts and common sense in your life or even better perhaps get a life

So you are thus only advising people to fly FPV without a spotter if they are in their own garden below the tree line?

harrismix Posted at 11-25 03:35
Oh dear we do seem to be having some issues with authority don't we? Perhaps you could enlighten everyone by explaining what your legal defence would be if questioned by law enforcement if you were caught flying using goggles in FPV mode without a spotter? Would you repremand them for 'banging on' about the law, call them sheep or tell them you have special permission because 'lots of YouTubers do it'?

When on earth do you think you would in all sanity need a legal defence.

Oh dear you do seem to have an issue with thinking for yourself. Were you born a sheep or a lemming I wonder.
By the way many have tried, All have failed and you laddy are so far short of the mark it is laughable

harrismix Posted at 11-27 09:50
So you are thus only advising people to fly FPV without a spotter if they are in their own garden below the tree line?

Nope. Try again. Think very very hard and ask a grown up for help and you might just get it

These Police you think are out there don’t even bother to investigate theft in most cases you just get given a crime number and that is it. For pity’s sake think for yourself and don’t try and inflict your pathetic cowardly ways on others

Have you noticed when someone has lost an argument they avoid answering the actual question and only try to make it personal. You can say whatever you want about me, I don't care, I am only trying to establish what is allowed by law because if I operate the aircraft without adhering to the law I would have no defense if challenged. I don't want to spend a grand on drone equipment only to give local police a reason to confiscate it, if you want to show everyone how hard you are by doing this then go for it!

harrismix Posted at 11-27 09:57
Have you noticed when someone has lost an argument they avoid answering the actual question and only try to make it personal. You can say whatever you want about me, I don't care, I am only trying to establish what is allowed by law because if I operate the aircraft without adhering to the law I would have no defense if challenged. I don't want to spend a grand on drone equipment only to give local police a reason to confiscate it, if you want to show everyone how hard you are by doing this then go for it!

No loss here you are just rather pathetic and out of touch with reality. I say again grow a pair even if they are very small.

Try your very best not to be an insignificant sheep

Bigplumbs Posted at 11-28 12:11
No loss here you are just rather pathetic and out of touch with reality. I say again grow a pair even if they are very small.

Try your very best not to be an insignificant sheep

Thanks for proving my point again. Very sad when people are unable to form a rational argument and only know how to throw insults around.

harrismix Posted at 11-28 12:13
Thanks for proving my point again. Very sad when people are unable to form a rational argument and only know how to throw insults around.

Your point is pointless. By the way I don’t read more than 5 % of the drivel you spew. You need to have a little think and ask yourself why you are so foolish and totally out of touch with reality.
As yourself what you will be remembered for or more importantly if you will be remembered