Well I am just not good enough. I have been flying the Avata 2 and the Neo with the goggles N3 and the Motion Controller 3 and loving it. I have the FPV Controller 3 so decided to give that a go.

I tried the FPV Controller 3 first in Normal mode and then in Sports mode. I could fly quite well but no where near as good as with the motion controller 3. It was ok but no where as much fun for me. I then put the Neo on the FPV Controller into Manual mode and as far as I was concerned it was horrible. At my skill level all I was going to do was crash and crash again.

For me the Motion Controller is certainly the way to fly FPV................. I wont be trying manual mode again

When you have the chance, you should try a traditional fpv quad with an Radiomaster/Jumper controller. I assure that you are going to feel a real upgrade in terms of drone control.

Fozando Posted at 2-13 09:40
When you have the chance, you should try a traditional fpv quad with an Radiomaster/Jumper controller. I assure that you are going to feel a real upgrade in terms of drone control.

Mmmm not so sure. How would it be better than say my Avata 2 with the motion 3 and goggles N3. And as for anolouge fpv video that is just pants

Bigplumbs Posted at 2-13 09:54
Mmmm not so sure. How would it be better than say my Avata 2 with the motion 3 and goggles N3. And as for anolouge fpv video that is just pants

Mount and O4 Pro Air Unit on the traditional quad and you are going to have the same image quality than the Avata 2

Fozando Posted at 2-13 10:16
Mount and O4 Pro Air Unit on the traditional quad and you are going to have the same image quality than the Avata 2

And you pay a total of more than the avata 2 and have about 6 minutes flight time with wires and connectors hanging all over the place. Seems ridiculous to me

Bigplumbs Posted at 2-13 10:20
And you pay a total of more than the avata 2 and have about 6 minutes flight time with wires and connectors hanging all over the place. Seems ridiculous to me

In terms of price you can build a quad for the same price as the Avata 2 if you know how to choose the correct components and if you use Li-Ion batteries instead LiPOs you can reach perfectly the 10-12 minutes or even more. There are closed frames where you can keep all your electronics and wires protected and the most important, the flight is more enjoyable than on the Avata 2 ( I talk based on my experience with both)

Fozando Posted at 2-13 10:44
In terms of price you can build a quad for the same price as the Avata 2 if you know how to choose the correct components and if you use Li-Ion batteries instead LiPOs you can reach perfectly the 10-12 minutes or even more. There are closed frames where you can keep all your electronics and wires protected and the most important, the flight is more enjoyable than on the Avata 2 ( I talk based on my experience with both)

You are not convincing me at all

We are all different!

To me the motion controller is just a useless gimmick that I used a few times while waiting for the FPV controller to be delivered.

I will swap you a motion controller for your FPV controller if you like.

KyleUK Posted at 2-13 12:32
We are all different!

To me the motion controller is just a useless gimmick that I used a few times while waiting for the FPV controller to be delivered.

I already have 2 that is fine for me. How do you thing pilots fly fast jets. It aint with a couple of little sticks on your thumbs

Did you try flying FPV in simulators in acro mode? It's totally unstabilized mode which gives you full control, but it requires skills that need to be learned.

Simulator time. Start mellow on the sim.  Set rates mellow and as close as your sim setting on the goggles sub-menu.   Then go back to basics but flying M mode.
Have yet to meet anyone who on day one without any sim hours and only experience is flying stabilized DJI that can fly manual in a controlled fashion.  
Most people that have only flown DJI stabilized N and S mode even have an issue getting off the landing pad in their first attempt to fly manual mode.  
Don't give up.  Just expect some time to develop basic rate mode stick skills.

That all said.  There is northing "wrong" just being content to fly stabilized mode using the FPV RC3.  
Personal experience +decade ago the first quad purchased only had rate modes (aka manual).  Many unintended ground loops and rolls and bouncing off anything near by. Lot of broken propellers and worse. Totally clueless. Totally frustrated.  After crash trashing or losing the last quads.  Morphed into a fixed wing flier.  Then discovered some "toy" indoors angle mode quads.  Fun again.  Finally last year decided to try DJI.  N, S mode is more or less effortless.  Like driving a compact car with automatic, ABS, traction control...  Manual mode, probably like trying to drive a McLaren F1.  Manual is still manual, but with the FPV RC3 you can easily bail out of M mode to stabilized mode with a tap of a switch or flick of the mode rocker switch.  So Nice!

Bigplumbs Posted at 2-13 13:53
I already have 2 that is fine for me. How do you thing pilots fly fast jets. It aint with a couple of little sticks on your thumbs

I'm thinking about taking it apart and putting haptic motors inside and giving it my wife as a valentine present because I won't be using it anymore

And are you really comparing the motion controller to flying a fighter jet?

They definitely don't control the yaw and roll with one hand twisting a motion controller, they use both hands and feet to fly. And usually when they pull a trigger it's to fire weapons and not fly forwards at 20mph.

OldGuy2024 Posted at 2-13 14:15
Simulator time. Start mellow on the sim.  Set rates mellow and as close as your sim setting on the goggles sub-menu.   Then go back to basics but flying M mode.
Have yet to meet anyone who on day one without any sim hours and only experience is flying stabilized DJI that can fly manual in a controlled fashion.  
Most people that have only flown DJI stabilized N and S mode even have an issue getting off the landing pad in their first attempt to fly manual mode.  

Great advice, as we are all different and at different levels in this hobby.

Fun is defined by each of us!  I like the MC3 and he

Oops,  hit post before done!  Love the MC3 and FPV 3.  Bought the RCN3 when I originally got the Neo, but hardly ever use it.   Googles N3 hooked me with MC3, but bought a PC sim (LiftOff), the FPV3 and am anxiously awaiting some decent weather to try my first full manual flight outside.  Learning Manual (acro) mode is WAY HARDER than I thought it would be and takes a level of time and commitment that I don’t think is needed with MC3 (it’s just so intuitive).  I currently fly  the Neo in the house with all the controllers (but not in Manual mode, yet).  No issues with the “atti crash mode” that people have complained about in the house, but keep it very well lit!  I find FPV3 more precise in N or S mode than the MC3 because of the stick skills from the simulator.  

This little drone is so much fun!  However you decide to fly it, just enjoy!  

child

I flew RC for years I actually have over 220 RC planes including 15 gas turbine jets. I have done all the faffing, building and wiring. All I am after now is simple easy fun with little hastle. I am finding the combos of Neo, motion controller 3, goggles N3 and also the Avata 2 fits this bill exactly. Each to their own but I reiterate that for me the motion controller 3 is the way to fly these DJI fpv drones

Bigplumbs Posted at 2-13 12:17
You are not convincing me at all

I am not trying to convince you, I am just telling you how the reality is.

Nevertheless I hope that someday you have the chance to try it and compare by yourself what I am saying to you.

Bigplumbs Posted at 2-13 13:53
I already have 2 that is fine for me. How do you thing pilots fly fast jets. It aint with a couple of little sticks on your thumbs

You are melting fire with ice

OldGuy2024 Posted at 2-13 14:15
Simulator time. Start mellow on the sim.  Set rates mellow and as close as your sim setting on the goggles sub-menu.   Then go back to basics but flying M mode.
Have yet to meet anyone who on day one without any sim hours and only experience is flying stabilized DJI that can fly manual in a controlled fashion.  
Most people that have only flown DJI stabilized N and S mode even have an issue getting off the landing pad in their first attempt to fly manual mode.  

I completely agree with you.
The simulator is an obligation if you want to fly in manual/acro mode and even having at least 50 hours on the sim you are gonna crash yes or yes

Fozando Posted at 2-14 00:04
I completely agree with you.
The simulator is an obligation if you want to fly in manual/acro mode and even having at least 50 hours on the sim you are gonna crash yes or yes

Well if you got to spend that amount of time I aint doing it I could earn £2,500 in 50hours

Have a practice in a sim. Curry Kitten on GitHub is a free place to start and works with the controller.   Also pinch the sticks not thumbs,   Also expect under 10 mins on the avata in manual mode,  you'll be going a lot faster and eats the batteries a lot faster.

Bigplumbs Posted at 2-14 02:22
Well if you got to spend that amount of time I aint doing it I could earn £2,500 in 50hours

You can learn perfectly the basics to flight in acro mode in less than 5-10 hours, but if you want to upgrade at the maximum your flight skills is better that you keep practising as much as you can.

Again, you are melting fire with ice, if you are too lazy to improve your flight skills it's ok and I haven't anything to say respect that, but if I don't remember bad the topic here was the comparison between flying an Avata and a traditional FPV.

I have also MC3 and FPV3. I can fly in manual, i like it, but the MC3 is for me far way better. Much more safe, reliable and its rather like fyling a plane than a copter.

I did a "GitGud" on a sim, i am flying manual in RL, and i am still prefer the MC3 over this.

JMHO, coming from an old school "trad" fly with sticks person.  MC3 and Neo are great way to introduce newbies into FPV.  MC3 is as many have noted "intuitive".  I suspect the Neo in N or S modes along with the MC3  for many who have never flown anything was on day one fun.  More fun if DJI would increase the S mode top speed of the Neo from ?8m/sec to at least 11m/sec and at a minimum increase the roll angle of attack at max stick throw.   Do find the MC3 throttle trigger lacking "feeling" relative to FPV RC3 stick.  Maybe why the low top speeds to reduce crash incidents in N and S modes for newbies?

Fozando Posted at 2-14 00:04
I completely agree with you.
The simulator is an obligation if you want to fly in manual/acro mode and even having at least 50 hours on the sim you are gonna crash yes or yes

I've crashed Neo more times in manual mode than I want to remember.

Tough little quad. Worse one in terms of damage was the day I deflected off my truck and apparently hit something else.  Couldn't find it even though it looked like it was upside down on my driveway.  ESC Beeper time.  It was under my truck.  Couple propellers with sheared off blades and scuff marks was it. Two new props and a cleaning buffing. Flew fine.  Last crash was bounce Neo off the garden shed into a snowbank. Pat and blow off the snow.  All was good. Need a robust quad for flying manual mode.  Even if I ever become a competent manual mode flier.

Fozando Posted at 2-13 23:59
I am not trying to convince you, I am just telling you how the reality is.

Nevertheless I hope that someday you have the chance to try it and compare by yourself what I am saying to you.

When you get older you will understand about what is reality and what isn't

Bigplumbs Posted at 2-14 08:32
When you get older you will understand about what is reality and what isn't

Just...
If you are old, I have too say that you hace a wrong view of the reality.
Well, enough for today

OldGuy2024 Posted at 2-14 08:05
I've crashed Neo more times in manual mode than I want to remember.

Tough little quad. Worse one in terms of damage was the day I deflected off my truck and apparently hit something else.  Couldn't find it even though it looked like it was upside down on my driveway.  ESC Beeper time.  It was under my truck.  Couple propellers with sheared off blades and scuff marks was it. Two new props and a cleaning buffing. Flew fine.  Last crash was bounce Neo off the garden shed into a snowbank. Pat and blow off the snow.  All was good. Need a robust quad for flying manual mode.  Even if I ever become a competent manual mode flier.

Yeah, carbon fiber is superior to plastic in terms of crashes

Any who claims the sticks are better than the MC is probably right because they haven't yet mastered the MC.  So you are most familiar with the sticks it makes sense.  But when you really get it and understand it and use it to the fullest, the MC has no equal and even DJI knows it.  there's no one here who has mastered the MC (not just able to use it) but then claim the RC is better in sports mode, that's ridiculous.

Mr The Saint,

Please upload a video of the mastery of the motion controller that you possess, I'm very intrigued

Fozando Posted at 2-14 03:26
You can learn perfectly the basics to flight in acro mode in less than 5-10 hours, but if you want to upgrade at the maximum your flight skills is better that you keep practising as much as you can.

Again, you are melting fire with ice, if you are too lazy to improve your flight skills it's ok and I haven't anything to say respect that, but if I don't remember bad the topic here was the comparison between flying an Avata and a traditional FPV.

No that was not the topic read the first post again. No clue what you mean about fire and ice

Fozando Posted at 2-14 15:14
Just...
If you are old, I have too say that you hace a wrong view of the reality.
Well, enough for today

Perception is reality

The Saint Posted at 2-14 15:44
Any who claims the sticks are better than the MC is probably right because they haven't yet mastered the MC.  So you are most familiar with the sticks it makes sense.  But when you really get it and understand it and use it to the fullest, the MC has no equal and even DJI knows it.  there's no one here who has mastered the MC (not just able to use it) but then claim the RC is better in sports mode, that's ridiculous.

I agree the motion controller is a massive forward step. Old style sticks are a backward step

Bigplumbs Posted at 2-14 23:43
Perception is reality

As you wish man.
If you enjoy flying your Avata it's fine, but reality is that a 5" drone flies 999999999999 times better than it. Just physics

Bigplumbs Posted at 2-14 23:42
No that was not the topic read the first post again. No clue what you mean about fire and ice

A better flying experience has much to see with the flight controllers, so yes, this is the topic.

Melting fire with ice - You are old enough to know

Fozando Posted at 2-15 00:34
A better flying experience has much to see with the flight controllers, so yes, this is the topic.

Melting fire with ice - You are old enough to know

Well I wrote the first post so I tell you you are way off topic. And no I have no idea about the fire and ice thing. Perhaps you need to understand that I know what I meant you don't

Fozando Posted at 2-15 00:32
As you wish man.
If you enjoy flying your Avata it's fine, but reality is that a 5" drone flies 999999999999 times better than it. Just physics

One day you will understand the whole reality and perception thing. I suspect you have not given the Motion Controller much of a chance. It is the future and things have moved on

Bigplumbs Posted at 2-15 02:30
Well I wrote the first post so I tell you you are way off topic. And no I have no idea about the fire and ice thing. Perhaps you need to understand that I know what I meant you don't

As you wish man. Your post, your rules, but you are not over the physics

Bigplumbs Posted at 2-15 02:31
One day you will understand the whole reality and perception thing. I suspect you have not given the Motion Controller much of a chance. It is the future and things have moved on

I am a Avata 2 owner (you can see It on my profile) and yes, I have tried the MC and the Controller 3, so I am talking with full knowledge.