Cabralkev Posted at 2015-12-10 00:34
Just came back from testing. Put new white dji props on, the vibrations was a bit better. However, I ...

Also try 80% to see if it further minimizes them.

rskardon Posted at 2015-12-9 18:00
But you're still on Firmware 1.4 right? Is it possible to run the P3 on the older firmware and the ...

I have read this forum for a few days now, after experiencing the problems as described here.
Now i see that there are much more who have the same problem, i decided to subscribe to this forum.

A week ago, i updated from 1.4 firmware to 1.6 firmware. With firmware 1.4, my P3P did fly perfectly smooth. What i first experienced after updating, was that the vertical velocity was low, about 2 m/s. That should be about 5 m/s. I saw a vibration in idle rpm, but guessed that it came from minor windgust.  I thought that performing all calibrations would help this out, and somehow after that i had more vertical velocity.
After 2 days i tried again, and experienced again a bad vertical velocity and vibration in idle rpm. When is started to hoover at eye level, i noticed the vibration in the arms of the P3P, the camera wobbles badly, but my video showed just very little vibrations. After downloading my video to my computer i  clearly saw that the video is affected too.
I tried to downgrade and upgrade a few times, without result. Also i played with the gain settings, and that doesn't solve the problem. Yes, my video seems to be okay with 80/80/80/100, but you can still see a minor vibration in the arms of the P3P. Vibrations in an every aircraft, if it is a drone or a b737, cause damage to the aircraft itself. So adjusting the gains is not a solution, but a temporarely way to eleminate the effects of the fault.
In my opinion, the only fault can be the firmware. The motors perform well with firmware 1.4. so why should they be replaced? I don't understand why anybody should let there motors replaced if all advice on this topic doesn't help? Just fix the firmware bug! Or is there a problem with the old motors that we don't know yet? Is the firmware update a way to let us buy new motors?

For now, i will wait until DJI releases a new firmware to solve this problem.
Saying that just 1% of us all experiences this fault is too easy. I myself waited a few days to give a reaction on this forum, just because i don't do forums that much. Maybe more people read this and wait?
Think of how many owners haven't updated their P3 till now, or even how many P3 owners haven't flown, because of wintertime, bad weather etc. I guess that there are also P3 owners who didn't notice the vibrations yet, and are sorting out now why the video is distorted.

Until now, my P3P is grounded.

I said several times, mine and others also vibrate with new engines, the problem is firm, not engines

I found this video on Youtube:


This is posted 3 months ago. I see the exact same problem of vibrations here. But this can't be the newer firmware. There are a few more older video's.
Could be another cause here?
Maybe this case is a bad IMU.
And maybe the newer firmware affects the correct calibration of the IMU?

One thing i want to add to my earlier post:
When i updated first tot 1.6 firmware, it failed.
Second time it was succesfull
Could this affect the IMU and cause vibrations?

I think everyone needs clarification on warranty regarding upgrades.

Yet, is it true (or false)  that if you do not upgrade, your warranty is void?

rskardon Posted at 2015-12-10 01:00
But you're still on Firmware 1.4 right? Is it possible to run the P3 on the older firmware and the ...

Yes, it's ok if the RC is on 1.5 and the aircraft is on 1.4, or 1.5.

mauritsvandinth Posted at 2016-1-5 15:47
I found this video on Youtube:
vibration P3P

Some people had that instead of it vibration during hover. As for me, it would vibrate during hover. After I set the basic gains to: 85%, 85%, 80%, 95%, it minimized the vibrations. Almost completely eliminated it. I also did a cold IMU calibration. If it does vibrate, it's very subtle where I can't notice.

mauritsvandinth Posted at 2016-1-6 04:47
I found this video on Youtube:
vibration P3P

That video does look like an IMU thing. I wonder if calibrating the IMU fixed it.

DJI-Ken Posted at 2016-1-5 22:57
That video does look like an IMU thing. I wonder if calibrating the IMU fixed it.

okay Ken My friend. it has been two week from sending our flight data to dji. İs there any feed back for the problem. i think DJi doesnt care about us and also you Ken!!!.

ismailtekin Posted at 2016-1-6 05:27
okay Ken My friend. it has been two week from sending our flight data to dji. İs there any feed b ...

Trust me, they know and they are working on it. for now if you cannot get rid of the vibrations with the suggestions posted in this thread then you will have to send it in for a warranty repair.
My guess is the only way to fix it is with another firmware update, but that is just my opinion.
Until they send instructions on what to do, all I can say is they are working on it.

DJI-Ken Posted at 2016-1-5 23:37
Trust me, they know and they are working on it. for now if you cannot get rid of the vibrations wi ...

okay then i will wait and see for update. and one question. should i make imu calibration after changinig gain value.

ismailtekin Posted at 2016-1-6 06:23
okay then i will wait and see for update. and one question. should i make imu calibration after cha ...

You do not need to do a IMU calibration after changing gains. BUT that is for normal circumstances. With the vibration issue, I'd say try it all to try and get rid of them.

DJI-Ken Posted at 2016-1-5 16:38
If you go up to 1.6, you cannot go down to 1.4, you can only downgrade to 1.5

I know but that doesn't solve the problem that dji caused with new firmware.  What is dji doing for solving this problem? ....nothing

DJI-Ken Posted at 2016-1-5 15:54
Yes, it's ok if the RC is on 1.5 and the aircraft is on 1.4, or 1.5.

Ken , The Firmware on the drone is not the problem ,
its the Firmware on the 1.5 Firmware on the controller that is causing the problem.
you need to tell them this, My drone was fine on 1.3 on controller and 1,4 on the drone ,
The same day i updated the controller using the App to 1.5 , i updated the P3P to 1.5
That is when all the crap vibrations started , I down graded to 1.4 and back to 1.5 10 times,
it still vibrates . So now i am back to 1.4 on the drone , it still vibrated , So i lowered Yaw
to 80% got a lot of it out. But sometime on start it will still vibrate , and i have to shut down and restart. Sometimes it will , sometimes it wont. and i am on 1.4 on the drone that use to be perfect with
1.3 on the controller , So the problem is the Firmware on the controller , Not the Drone.

ChrisC Posted at 2016-1-6 09:19
Ken , The Firmware on the drone is not the problem ,
its the Firmware on the 1.5 Firmware on the  ...

Chris, the vibration you are experiencing is caused from the firmware update to the aircraft. The controller is not what Is causing the issue. If you use another controller whether it is on 1.3 or 1.5, the aircraft will still domthensame thing.

Guerinomaione Posted at 2016-1-6 07:12
I know but that doesn't solve the problem that dji caused with new firmware.  What is dji doing fo ...

They are working on it.

DJI-Ken Posted at 2016-1-5 21:13
Chris, the vibration you are experiencing is caused from the firmware update to the aircraft. The  ...

After tonight , you are correct Ken , I am man enough to admit when i am wrong.
Tonight i put 1.5 back on my drone , I did everything God could imagine with gains to
stop it from vibrating , cold IMU calibrations everything.  I even flew up to 150 feet , it don't even sound right. Came back in let it cool , put a fresh battery in , and downgraded back to 1.4
Let it set for 20 mins then did a cold IMU calibration , Fired it up it had some vibration but not
as bad , So i set Yaw gain to 80% , i usually leave pitch , roll and , vertical at 100% and vibration
is almost gone, So cause you set your gains down , I set my vertical , pitch and roll to 90%.
its not perfect , but its the best its been in a while. The conclusion is 1.5 and 1.6 just flat don't
work for ( MOST ) people with older motors and board. They just need to fix it.
I am just going to stay on 1.4 til DJI comes out with a proven fix for this mess. At least i can fly right now.

ChrisC Posted at 2016-1-6 12:06
After tonight , you are correct Ken , I am man enough to admit when i am wrong.
Tonight i put 1.5  ...

Awesome, glad it's working good enough for you to be able to fly it still. I wish mine would have done it during the update so I can play and see how the gains would do.
I normally fly with all my basic gains at 80% and vertical at 100% anyways because I like the more docile mushy feeling.
I know some have said that lowering the gains, multiple upgrades/downgrades, IMU calibrations, have not help at all with vibrations. I don't know why for some it helps and some it doesn't. Just like the firmware, out of all the 1st version Phantoms sold with the older motors/board what did some of them introduce vibrations.

a51chew Posted at 2016-1-5 01:42
Hi Mike, are you now rolled back to firmware 1.4? is your P3P with old or new motor?

Thank you

Hello Chew I am on 1.5.0030 with the new motors and new shell.  It took quite a few tries down grading to the previous firmware, upgrading to the new1.5.0030 before the arm vibration stopped.  Mine wasn't that bad only idling on the ground and i didn't have any vibration or drifting in the air.  Also I never had anything show up in pics or video.  Good luck to you buddy.

JyBravo70 Posted at 2016-1-5 05:11
I am seeing a lot of discussions on downgrading firmware but haven't found out where to obtain the f ...

No worries for you with the P3S.  It wasn't an issue!

bletzinger Posted at 2016-1-5 06:35
Thanks MikeDrone7. If you have the time please describe the sequence you used. I'm guessing 1.5 to  ...

Hi Buddy.  It took 5 tries but each time I downgraded to 1.4, upgraded to 1.5 and then did a cold IMU calibrations,  However the last time which worked for me after the downgrade to 1.4 I did an IMU calibration on 1.4 and then did the 1.5 upgrade, IMU and Gimbal calibration and it fixed the problem.  Good luck!

bletzinger Posted at 2016-1-5 06:35
Thanks MikeDrone7. If you have the time please describe the sequence you used. I'm guessing 1.5 to  ...

Oh I hope that you haven't gone to 1.6 yet.  Because I don't think you can go back to 1.4.  I hope I'm wrong but good luck this vibration was a pain in the ass to get rid of.

DJI-Ken Posted at 2016-1-5 10:31
Mike,
That's great that you have gotten rid of the vibration by multiple upgrades/downgrades. DJI  ...

Thanks Ken.

So since I finally have the the vibration issue sorted out do you think its its safe to go to the 1.6 firmware?  I'm a little leary doing do since I can't go back to 1.4 after I do.

Before the fix I never had any vibration issues while flying just idling on the ground.  No drifting, poker straight while hovering and nothing noticeable in any video.

Thanks for your responses!

MikeDrone7 Posted at 2016-1-6 00:24
Thanks Ken.

So since I finally have the the vibration issue sorted out do you think its its safe  ...

Mike if i were you i would not , Like you said you got it working pretty good now ,
I would not take the chance , I would wait for DJI to come out with a Firmware fix.
if you move to 1.6 and it don't work you can't fly , That is why i am staying at 1.4
I got it working so i can fly , I never got 1.5 to work on mine , I down graded
and upgraded 10 times , it always vibrated .

DJI-Ken Posted at 2016-1-6 03:20
They are working on it.

Hi, i hope they solve the problem early but do you think that it would be better if i sent my bird to service repair or if i expected the new firmware?

I have send e-mail to DJ-Support about drone vibration (currently on 1.5 downgraded from 1.6) they told me I have to send it to Germany for warranty repair but before I do that I need do one more IMU calibration.   To be honest I don't think it's safe to fly with your settings tweak (pitch and other) to stop vibrations  becouse it's just temporary fix. Our firmware is still BAD. The only safe thing to do is wait for new firmware or send it back for fix.

BTW DJI: you need to put more effort in testing your firmware. It's  ridiculous to relese bad FW! It's not the firs time that you have done that and not only with PHANTOM !

MikeDrone7 Posted at 2016-1-6 00:09
Oh I hope that you haven't gone to 1.6 yet.  Because I don't think you can go back to 1.4.  I hope ...

Mike, I think you may be right although I believe Ken said that you can go from drone FW 1.6 to FW 1.5 to FW 1.4 in successive steps and that they were all compatible with RC FW 1.5. I tried successive drone FW1.4 FW 1.5 up/downgrade this morning - here's my log:

Inserted micro SD card with FW 1.4 with the drone currently at FW 1.5
Result: Success.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:13 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.03.0020.bin
Result: Abort.
The firmware on the SD card is identical to or older than the current firmware on the aircraft.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:12 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.03.0020.bin
Result: Abort.
The firmware on the SD card is identical to or older than the current firmware on the aircraft.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:13 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.03.0020.bin
Result: Abort.
The firmware on the SD card is identical to or older than the current firmware on the aircraft.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:11 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.04.0010.bin
Upgrading ...
Result: Success.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:12 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.05.0030.bin
Upgrading ...
Result: Success.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:12 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.06.0040.bin
Upgrading ...
Result: Success.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:12 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.06.0040.bin
Result: Abort.
The firmware on the SD card is identical to or older than the current firmware on the aircraft.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:12 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.06.0040.bin
Upgrading ...
Result: Success.

Inserted FW 1.5 SD card

Result: Success.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:13 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.03.0020.bin
Result: Abort.
The firmware on the SD card is identical to or older than the current firmware on the aircraft.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:12 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.03.0020.bin
Result: Abort.
The firmware on the SD card is identical to or older than the current firmware on the aircraft.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:13 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.03.0020.bin
Result: Abort.
The firmware on the SD card is identical to or older than the current firmware on the aircraft.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:11 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.04.0010.bin
Upgrading ...
Result: Success.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:12 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.05.0030.bin
Upgrading ...
Result: Success.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:12 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.06.0040.bin
Upgrading ...
Result: Success.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:12 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.06.0040.bin
Result: Abort.
The firmware on the SD card is identical to or older than the current firmware on the aircraft.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:12 remo-con disconnect======

Inserted FW 1.4 SD card back again

Blinks red

Result: Success.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:13 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.03.0020.bin
Result: Abort.
The firmware on the SD card is identical to or older than the current firmware on the aircraft.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:12 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.03.0020.bin
Result: Abort.
The firmware on the SD card is identical to or older than the current firmware on the aircraft.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:13 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.03.0020.bin
Result: Abort.
The firmware on the SD card is identical to or older than the current firmware on the aircraft.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:11 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.04.0010.bin
Upgrading ...
Result: Success.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:12 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.05.0030.bin
Upgrading ...
Result: Success.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:12 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.06.0040.bin
Upgrading ...
Result: Success.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:12 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.06.0040.bin
Result: Abort.
The firmware on the SD card is identical to or older than the current firmware on the aircraft.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:12 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.06.0040.bin
Upgrading ...
Result: Success.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:12 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.04.0010.bin
Result: Abort.
The current firmware does not support downgrade. Use a different version of firmware to downgrade the target version.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:12 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.04.0010.bin
Result: Abort.
The current firmware does not support downgrade. Use a different version of firmware to downgrade the target version.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:12 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.05.0030.bin
Upgrading ...
Result: Success.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:13 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.04.0010.bin
Result: Abort.
The current firmware does not support downgrade. Use a different version of firmware to downgrade the target version.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:12 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.05.0030.bin
Result: Abort.
The firmware on the SD card is identical to or older than the current firmware on the aircraft.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:13 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.04.0010.bin
Result: Abort.
The current firmware does not support downgrade. Use a different version of firmware to downgrade the target version.

========== 2014.01.01 00:00:12 remo-con disconnect======
Packet: P3X_FW_V01.04.0010.bin
Result: Abort.
The current firmware does not support downgrade. Use a different version of firmware to downgrade the target version.

Its hard to tell if that worked or not. The light was red at the end so I think its rejecting the FW 1.5 to FW 1.4 downgrade. The time/date stamp appears stuck in the log files and I believe I read earlier that the Packet: FW message may be off a version also. I'll have to go searching through the threads again to figure out how to decode the log. I'm not flying until next week.

Ken – please reconfirm that we can downgrade drone FW from FW 1.6 to FW 1.5 to FW 1.4 in successive steps. I was able to go FW 1.6 to FW 1.5 but I don’t think I got to FW 1.4 (see logs)







       

DJI-Ken Posted at 2016-1-5 10:00
If you have tried everything that I have posted here then you will need to send it in for warranty ...

Thanks for your reply Ken. See previous post with logs attempting drone FW downgrade in steps. Although I was able to revert from FW 1.6 to FW 1.5, I dont believe I have had success from FW 1.5 to FW 1.4. If I cant downgrade to FW 1.4 than that remedy for vibration is unavailable to me. Changing the gains may help but that doesnt solve the root problem of the FW 1.5/1.6 induced vibration. I dont mind tinkering with this some more if you have suggestions, but I'm not sure if its safe to fly. I'm concerned the vibration that's severe enough to overcome the gimbal stabilization could harm the drone or that it could induce a crash. Please advise how I should proceed.

OBTW - I have not crashed my drone

DJI-Ken Posted at 2016-1-5 10:38
If you go up to 1.6, you cannot go down to 1.4, you can only downgrade to 1.5

Uh oh. just saw this. So the successive downgrade from drone FW 1.6 to FW 1.5 to FW 1.4 is not possible?
Please clarify.

bletzinger Posted at 2016-1-6 20:45
Uh oh. just saw this. So the successive downgrade from drone FW 1.6 to FW 1.5 to FW 1.4 is not pos ...

Yes, I was told that once you go to 1.6 you cannot go to 1.4. If you go down to 1.5 then try 1.4 the system already knows you were at 1.6 and will not let you do it.

Guerinomaione Posted at 2016-1-6 14:22
Hi, i hope they solve the problem early but do you think that it would be better if i sent my bird ...

it's totally up to you, I don't know what turn around times are in your area. I would first talk to support in your area and if it's a quick turn around then you may want to send it in.

lukasz@studiogo Posted at 2016-1-6 16:02
I have send e-mail to DJ-Support about drone vibration (currently on 1.5 downgraded from 1.6) they t ...

It it totally fine to adjust your gains, that's why they are adjustable instead of not letting you adjust them. DJI lets you adjust them so you can fine tune your aircraft to the style you like to fly. I have all my basic gains on my P3 Pro and Inspire set to I think 80 and the vertical at 100. I like the way it flies at those settings.

bletzinger Posted at 2016-1-6 20:31
Mike, I think you may be right although I believe Ken said that you can go from drone FW 1.6 to FW ...

I don't think I said you can go from 1.6 to 1.5 then to 1.4, after you go to 1.6 you cannot go to 1.4

bletzinger Posted at 2016-1-6 20:40
Thanks for your reply Ken. See previous post with logs attempting drone FW downgrade in steps. Alth ...

Your Phantom is safe to fly if you lower the gains, IMU calibration, and it minimizes the vibrations. If you are not happy with the way it flies, then send it in for warranty repair.

bletzinger Posted at 2016-1-6 20:45
Uh oh. just saw this. So the successive downgrade from drone FW 1.6 to FW 1.5 to FW 1.4 is not pos ...

Correct, once you go to 1.6 you CANNOT go to 1.4

tannar86 Posted at 2015-11-30 18:08
I have the same "vibration" when hovering in air...
that cam when i upgraded my Bird

Try in no-gps mode. I got the samd problem in gps-mode ,not in no gps-mode. Try it ang give me your testresult

tannar86 Posted at 2015-11-30 18:08
I have the same "vibration" when hovering in air...
that cam when i upgraded my Bird

Try in no-gps mode. I got the samd problem in gps-mode ,not in no gps-mode. Try it ang give me your testresult

You guys that have this problem, how is the vibrations in no gps-mode? Mine is fine in that mode and bad in gps- mode

krisstofferfråv Posted at 2016-1-6 18:27
You guys that have this problem, how is the vibrations in no gps-mode? Mine is fine in that mode and ...

its just something to do with Firmware in 1.5 and 1.6 firmware , it is just faulty .
We just got to wait for a fix from DJI.

DJI-Ken Posted at 2016-1-6 09:52
Yes, I was told that once you go to 1.6 you cannot go to 1.4. If you go down to 1.5 then try 1.4 t ...

Thanks Ken. I'll try lowering gains since that's the only option after a FW 1.6 drone configuration. I'm headed to a warm climate next week so I'll have flying opportunities and if lowering the gains doesnt work I'll send it in. Please keep us informed on progress via a FW fix. Thanks again.