EpicLPer Posted at 2016-11-3 17:34
Wait, so the sensor IS capable of 4K 60FPS?

The max in standard 4k is 30FPS.
http://www.dji.com/mavic/info#specs

DJI-Ken Posted at 2016-11-3 15:07
The max in standard 4k is 30FPS.
http://www.dji.com/mavic/info#specs

But why when the sensor is capable of 4K60? Please, if the sensor can do it enable it on the drone too! I don't get why so many manufacturers don't enable it when the sensor is able to provide it... Same goes for mobile devices.

EpicLPer Posted at 2016-11-3 15:13
But why when the sensor is capable of 4K60? Please, if the sensor can do it enable it on the drone ...

I read (over at RCG) that the sensor, according to the specs, is 4k60 capable in theory. It's the codec that is the limitation. I'm no expert on this stuff, I'm just relaying what I read, which may have been wrong. I'd suggest searching for the RCG thread and having a read

EpicLPer Posted at 2016-11-3 23:13
But why when the sensor is capable of 4K60? Please, if the sensor can do it enable it on the drone ...

The sensor  IS NOT capable of 4k 60fps.

Video Recording Modes        C4K: 4096×2160 24p
4K: 3840×2160 24/25/30p
2.7K: 2704×1520 24/25/30p
FHD: 1920×1080 24/25/30/48/50/60/96p
HD: 1280×720 24/25/30/48/50/60/120

DJI-Ken Posted at 2016-11-3 15:32
The sensor  IS NOT capable of 4k 60fps.

Video Recording Modes        C4K: 4096×2160 24p

I think they were referring just to a basic Sony sensor specification,  not a DJI camera mode.

Marv0 Posted at 2016-11-3 15:45
I think they were referring just to a basic Sony sensor specification,  not a DJI camera mode.

Yes, Sony's spec sheet... http://www.sony-semicon.co.jp/pr ... y_v1.5_20150414.pdf

The sensor can do 4k @ 59.94fps accord to the specs

http://bfy.tw/8YKX

We could have double the bitrate OR double the FPS (4k 60fps).  Again, I was bummed when the specs showed the old H.264.

I read DJI are looking into the 60fps problem, hopefully they can do something.

I canceled my order for 2 Mavics. I need 60 / 120 for footage and all I have seen from the Mavic in more than 30 fps looks too bad. If dji could correct this, I'll place a new order. But for now those of you who ordered later than me will go 2 places forward in the line.

Guys it has a lot more to do with the whole setup, not just the sensor. Even if the processor could encode at 4k60p the buffer or storage interface doesn't support over 60mbs which is already really low for 4k30p.

schuessd Posted at 2016-11-9 08:14
I canceled my order for 2 Mavics. I need 60 / 120 for footage and all I have seen from the Mavic in  ...

When did you order yours? Just to know if your cancellation could be useful for me

Hi !
If you are interested in a Workaround that will give you 60 Fps read here...
WORKAROUND, no Solution but i doubt there will be a real Solution...

http://forum.dji.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=71084


Nils

danieleforyou Posted at 2016-11-9 13:39
When did you order yours? Just to know if your cancellation could be useful for me

Ordered Oct/03, but at a German vendor. :-)

The Mavic should be an Drone, which takes movies from Mountenbiking, Skiing and active Persons, etc.
The most important 1080/60 mode, with which these videos are usually recorded, works realy bad!

Now the Mavic in reality can be used practically only for slow moved recordings (landscapes, etc.) in 4K/30fps.

Sorry DJI of it was in advertising and previously not a discussion.

Now you just say, buy the phantom 4.
Excellent! Then you have failed in the development of the Mavic unfortunately , and everyone who trusted DJI and ordered Mavic disappointed.

Agreed. After having the Mavic for a couple of weeks, the limitations are now starting to show.

The good: Automation and and advanced flight modes, still image quality and slow moving video quality.
The bad: any video with rapid motion or where you're flying fast at low altitude. This point really limits the situations in which is useful.

droneflyers.com Posted at 2016-10-29 01:48
I used 1080/60 with no problem. That is my preferred mode. The videos in my blog post were shot at t ...

What's your setting when recording the footage?

When I try 1080/60 in mov format the image quality is really bad. I tried both auto and manual and the results are the same - like oil painting.

Quality is relative and many moved videos are really bad from Mavic.
But such a large step backwards is not tolerable.

The only reason for the Mavic is the portability.
But what is this when the images are so bad?

Is the short latency so important that you disappointed all users thats no use FPV?
Sorry DJI, this is an absolute no go for the Mavic!

Let me start off saying I am a fan of DJI's products....but I'm not too exited about it's camera after first flight. Really disappointed for 1000$ Got much smoother footage with p3 and p4 out of the box. 1080 unuseable....Sounds a bit funny when pushing it around, little electronic sounds I never heard on the others.  Not sure i like the way it flies either. Also the footage seems pretty choppy when flying around.... I agree with AusAir. I also should give it a chance and go into the settings a bit.

1080 60p is essential for sports filming.....i do not understand DJI!

DJI-Ken Posted at 2016-10-29 20:02
Try 1080/30 or lower.
Please read the attached document for explanation.

not here any more ...

Has any of this been addressed in the past few months? Have been patiently waiting for any resolution or hopeful Mavic 2 today which was the spark instead...

I wonder if it was resolved with hardware, Im going on 3 weeks, mine shows a build date of 04/05/2017 and the 1080 60 fps footage is perfect. as is the 90fps

PanaceaBeachBum Posted at 2017-5-24 11:55
I wonder if it was resolved with hardware, Im going on 3 weeks, mine shows a build date of 04/05/2017 and the 1080 60 fps footage is perfect. as is the 90fps

Hmm, can anyone else confirm it with their new-build Mavic?

eug Posted at 2017-5-25 16:52
Hmm, can anyone else confirm it with their new-build Mavic?

I'm having the same issue as described in this thread, on two separate recently purchased Mavic's.   I was going to buy up to 6 of these drones, but if it can't film in 60fps 1080p, as advertised, I may have to hold off.  

Can anyone confirm that some newer builds have in fact been able to capture clear 60fps 1080p?  

I've written DJI support and haven't been very impressed or pleased with their responses.  I wrote an extended message with links to this thread and very descriptive lines about what the problem is and the guy simply asked me to send in the card for 'sampling'.  At least I think that's what he wrote.  Then, I questioned what exactly he wanted me to do... send him the card or upload some footage... and he responded (the same guy) by asking what my issue was again!?!?!  Did he even read my original email?!   The support experience is a little disappointing so far being a new DJI customer.  Love everything about the Mavic, except the fact that it can't clearly film in 60fps at the moment.   

Marv0 Posted at 2016-10-29 16:53
This is what you will get at 60fps..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAPh7k3b_ig

Seriously... there are SO MANY examples of people breaking regulation that I think it's setting a bad example and people are doing it without realizing it's illegal?

I got a reply from Daniel at DJI.  Quote:

"Dear customer,
According to our engineers, we will optimize it by firmware update in the future.
Thanks

With kind regards,
DJI Support"

Does anyone buy this?  Thoughts?

Absolutely I don't buy it   Im am still at the factory firmware that came with the drone...1.03.100....from all the firmware's that appeared until now I seen here only problems...starting from unable to update, dead drone to strange fly away and  sensors errors degraded signal etc...an almost no report of any kind of improvement or added feature/value and the mavic has a tone of problem in image quality that could be improved...and none done after almost a year...in the last.800 firmware they screwed even the raw photos...earlier they manage to screw even the starting tone ) then i have very low expectation now....

Marv0 Posted at 2016-10-29 16:53
This is what you will get at 60fps..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAPh7k3b_ig

You will get this a 30 fps also. Just got back from Europe and any video with fine meshed straight lines such as tile roofs, railings, etc started vibrating. I have seen this on high end cameras also. This is why actors can't use clothing with fine pitched lines. It will buzz.

videoguy Posted at 2017-6-19 12:30
You will get this a 30 fps also. Just got back from Europe and any video with fine meshed straight lines such as tile roofs, railings, etc started vibrating. I have seen this on high end cameras also. This is why actors can't use clothing with fine pitched lines. It will buzz.

Yes, but don't mix apple with orange...on any camera aliasing is a problem...of greater or smaller degree,,,but one thing it is aliasing and other thing that ugly interpolation of 1080 60 fps.

I think that was my first hard disappointing after purchasing with hard earned money this drone...discovering that the 60 fps is false advertised...after that I discovered perplexed that hot spot in the center of frame and later that layer of noise/3dnr over all footage's and that panning hard artifacts and vibrating frames  mostly in reach detailed scenes...then the drifting gimbal horizon.  But over all I love so much the portability and the stability...as flying drone I have until now 0 problems.

daivatam Posted at 2017-6-19 12:04
Absolutely I don't buy it   Im am still at the factory firmware that came with the drone...1.03.100....from all the firmware's that appeared until now I seen here only problems...starting from unable to update, dead drone to strange fly away and  sensors errors degraded signal etc...an almost no report of any kind of improvement or added feature/value  and the mavic has a tone of problem in image quality that could be improved...and none done after almost a year...in the last.800 firmware they screwed even the raw photos...earlier they manage to screw even the starting tone ) then i have very low expectation now....

i'm on .800, what do you mean with screwed up the raw files on this version?
I just did a test spinn since I upgraded yesterday and I could find any problems with the photos nor flight performance (just flew 2 batteris) so there might be more to check.

Flybee Posted at 2017-6-19 13:06
i'm on .800, what do you mean with screwed up the raw files on this version?
I just did a test spinn since I upgraded yesterday and I could find any problems with the photos nor flight performance (just flew 2 batteris) so there might be more to check.

there are multiple report of raw not working...jpg are ok

daivatam Posted at 2017-6-19 13:24
there are multiple report of raw not working...jpg are ok

Ok, thank you very much for your clarification, I looked now and I took 30-40 of them (only Raw) since I was using AEB with 5 shots each and they worked perfectly fine on a Mac with LR. So i'm so thankful that I don't seem to have that issue.

I hope it will be fixed a s a p for the ones that have this problem.

Happy flying  

Flybee Posted at 2017-6-19 13:28
Ok, thank you very much for your clarification, I looked now and I took 30-40 of them (only Raw) since I was using AEB with 5 shots each and they worked perfectly fine on a Mac with LR. So i'm so thankful that I don't seem to have that issue.

I hope it will be fixed a s a p for the ones that have this problem.

Yep good to know that it is not a  general problem...but strange enough that only some users have this ...hard to understand why....are users that experiment bottom third of raw as bluish band ant others that could not open the raw at all...or have just a black image..
I am at factory firmware until now 1.03.100 from December production and  I could not find any reason to update the firmware...the quad fly perfectly without one single glitch excepting obstacle avoidance brake in sun or seamless background like blue water and blue sky merged one in another...and for the video part that I am interested in patching and improving I not read about any at all benefit of the new and newest firmware...even that they stated on the 800 some image processing improvements but no one responded if they observed any of that.

daivatam Posted at 2017-6-19 13:41
Yep good to know that it is not a  general problem...but strange enough that only some users have this ...hard to understand why....are users that experiment bottom third of raw as bluish band ant others that could not open the raw at all...or have just a black image..
I am at factory firmware until now 1.03.100 from December production and  I could not find any reason to update the firmware...the quad fly perfectly without one single glitch excepting obstacle avoidance brake in sun or seamless background like blue water and blue sky merged one in another...and for the video part that I am interested in patching and improving I not read about any at all benefit of the new and newest firmware...even that they stated on the 800 some image processing improvements but no one responded if they observed any of that.

Yes it seems like many of the "defects" impacts differently I don't know why, I usually wait some weeks before updating and that have been successful for me at least so far. I think it might have something to do with your individual example of the aircraft. Just a feeling no scientific proof.

I have one observation about quality and that is that the photos seems to be a little bit sharper on .800 with the same settings Cinelike +1 0 0 which I have for a long time. I was not sure about it but looking again it seems like an improvement, and I like improvements for the Photos. The footage is great or the same level as before.

DRONE-flies-YOU Posted at 2016-10-29 17:23
Marv, there is already a thread with the author of this video discussing this AND everyone giving him grief about flying over the city.   : )

FAA doesn't specifically forbid UAV's flights over cities, unless it is explicitly restricted by local (city or state) laws or regulations: https://www.faa.gov/uas/media/Part_107_Summary.pdf By the video alone, we can't say that he'd violated any regulation.

PanaceaBeachBum Posted at 2017-5-24 11:55
I wonder if it was resolved with hardware, Im going on 3 weeks, mine shows a build date of 04/05/2017 and the 1080 60 fps footage is perfect. as is the 90fps

Ho do you determine the build date?

DJI-Ken Posted at 2016-11-3 07:32
The sensor  IS NOT capable of 4k 60fps.

Video Recording Modes        C4K: 4096×2160 24p

Can I just ask why ntsc gives 30fps and pal 24/25 ? I'm in Europe but I'm on ntsc simply because 24 seems jerky on pan..... it's a shame that 1080 above 30fps is not worth it, combine that with focus or blurring issues for some and the camera needs some things ironing out ?

RCNJ Posted at 2017-6-28 15:03
Can I just ask why ntsc gives 30fps and pal 24/25 ? I'm in Europe but I'm on ntsc simply because 24 seems jerky on pan..... it's a shame that 1080 above 30fps is not worth it, combine that with focus or blurring issues for some and the camera needs some things ironing out ?

This is historically because of the difference in power electricity frequency value. Back at the time when first TV systems were designed, power line frequency did matter because it could interfere with TV scan frequency. So in USA, Japan and some other countries, where power line frequency is 60 Hz, TV system with 30 frames per second/60 fields per second (NTSC) was adopted, unlike Europe where 50 Hz power line and 25/50 TV systems (PAL/SECAM) were established.

eug Posted at 2017-5-25 16:52
Hmm, can anyone else confirm it with their new-build Mavic?

Seems like I can. Today I returned back my Best Buy bought Mavic, which initially had this issue, back to the store and purchased another (supposedly newer one) from Sam's Club. Just returned back from the maiden flight and seems like I can confirm, 1080 60P works much better, than it used to be on my previous drone. At the first glance it seems just fine, almost no aliasing is visible. At the same time I noticed that the overal picture looks kind a darker and less saturated with default settings, than it used to be. Wondering, if they switched to another sensor.

arifg Posted at 2017-6-28 17:01
Seems like I can. Today I returned back my Best Buy bought Mavic, which initially had this issue, back to the store and purchased another (supposedly newer one) from Sam's Club. Just returned back from the maiden flight and seems like I can confirm, 1080 60P works much better, than it used to be on my previous drone. At the first glance it seems just fine, almost no aliasing is visible. At the same time I noticed that the overal picture looks kind a darker and less saturated with default settings, than it used to be. Wondering, if they switched to another sensor.

After a few log flight I can firmly confirm, my new Mavic certainly differs from the previous one.Hardware is definitely different. There is NO aliasing effect in this new camera detected, the effect which plagued my previous one.