I have a question? Is it possable for DJI to bump up the 60 Mbps recording to a higher more professional Mbps? Like 145 or more? in a firmwire update?  as it is now Dji shouldnt be calling the X5 a pro camera or Im I missing somthing here?

I'm not saying your request is without merit however I work at a national broadcaster that gathers news on pro cameras recording XDCAMEX which is at 35Mbps.  Our broadcast codec is XDCAMHD which is at 50Mbps. Everything that goes through my edit suite regardless of the acquisition codec is put onto XDCAMHD discs at 50Mbps.

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Breezeway, is that 4K 35 mbit/s or 1080p ? I assume it's the latter one. 1080p @ 35 mbit/s is equal to 4K @ 140 mbit/s. The X5 records under half of that, which would equal to your pro cameras recording @ ~15 mbit/s. I think you can imagine how horrible that would look, and how underpowered this beautiful camera (the X5) is.

Unfortunately I do not think a firmware upgrade can cut it. The SoC inside the camera is just not capable to push out more while providing 1080p live feed over Lightbridge at the same time. You should hang in for an upgraded model, which I hope is due tomorrow, I can not wait.

Sky_Pictures Posted at 2016-11-11 04:24
Breezeway, is that 4K 35 mbit/s or 1080p ? I assume it's the latter one. 1080p @ 35 mbit/s is equal  ...

Thanks But I just bought the x5 kit last week UHHHHH No  LOL!

Sky_Pictures Posted at 2016-11-11 04:24
Breezeway, is that 4K 35 mbit/s or 1080p ? I assume it's the latter one. 1080p @ 35 mbit/s is equal  ...

Thanks But I just bought the x5 kit last week UHHHHH No  LOL!

Sky_Pictures Posted at 2016-11-10 15:24
Breezeway, is that 4K 35 mbit/s or 1080p ? I assume it's the latter one. 1080p @ 35 mbit/s is equal  ...

Very few broadcasters acquire at 4K including my network. The XDCAMHD that we use is 1080i60. Good point about the 4K equivalent of the Mbps. The OP didn't specify.
I just checked some Canon C500 4K footage I'm about to use and MediaInfo indicates the Mbps at 395.

Sorry, no, it is not possible to solve this with a firmware upgrade.

Thanks for acknowledging these matters Thor. Know that I am impressed with the X5, and especially the X5R anyway.

Do you know if engineers at DJI are aware that alot, maybe thousands of customers are holding off purchasing the X5, only because of the lower bitrate? If there are next-gen chips available now that support higher bitrate, and there should be from Ambarella, an updated version should be released ASAP.

To OP: If you switch from 4K to 2,7K recording, you gain 20% quality per pixel. If you go even lower to 1080p, you gain 20% more for a total increase of around 40%.

If you're recording in NTSC you should try 24p or PAL, as that will yield you about 20% higher quality even still!

Switching from 4K 30p to 1080p 24 can yield massive improvements of over 50% better quality! Especially useful in shots with alot of motion.

Good luck!

Sky_Pictures Posted at 2016-11-11 18:39
Thanks for acknowledging these matters Thor. Know that I am impressed with the X5, and especially th ...

(To OP: If you switch from 4K to 2,7K recording, you gain 20% quality per pixel. If you go even lower to 1080p, you gain 20% more for a total increase of around 40%.)
Thanks I didn’t know that WOW ! thanks again   

noflyzone69 Posted at 2016-11-12 14:50
(To OP: If you switch from 4K to 2,7K recording, you gain 20% quality per pixel. If you go even lowe ...

No problem. This is how it works:

The X5 records 1080p at 25 mbit/s. 2,7K is twice that amount of pixels, 4k is twice that amount again (4K = 1080p pixels x4)

To keep the same quality at 4K as in 1080p, bitrate would have to increase by the same factor as well. 25mbit/s would have to become 100 mbit/s. But it doesn't. It maxes out at 60 mbit/s.

60 mbit/s is 40% less than 100mbit/s.
2,7K is recorded in, IIRC, 40 mbit/s. But it's twice the amount of pixels from 1080p, so should be recorded in 50 mbit/s for equal quality. 40mbit is 80% of 50.

The above explains the ~20% increase in quality per lower resolution step. Then we have the frame rate. The X5 records the same bitrate, regardless of frame rate. But 30 fps is 20% percent more frames than 25. (25/5=5(a fifth is 20%), 25+5=30). That means, the codec must push in 20% more frames using the same amount of data. This results in lesser quality per frame, and by lowering framerate to 25 or even lower, p24 for cinema frame rate, you can gain even more quality per frame.

In some cases, 1080p is far too low. But 2,7K might be enough, try it. Should render less artifacts than 4K.

Maybe this should be stickied ^^ Hope you enjoyed the info!