trance728- Posted at 2016-11-20 14:58
I don't have mine yet, but people are reporting any framerates higher than 30 have been showing a  ...

In Germany it is not even allowed to fly with FPV Goggles, only if you have a second person watching the drone.

You can also convert 30FPS to 60FPS directly in Final Cut Pro or Adobe Premiere Pro. A few "how to" instructions and videos if you google it.

FlashGJ Posted at 2016-11-22 16:59
You can also convert 30FPS to 60FPS directly in Final Cut Pro or Adobe Premiere Pro. A few "how to"  ...

Yes, but believe it or not i challenge that quality with the free svpflow.
Nils

nils_heidorn Posted at 2016-11-23 04:04
Yes, but believe it or not i challange that quality with the free svpflow.
Nils

Never tested and compared, so I wouldn't know how they all stack up to each other.

What's even more discouraging is that the Ocusync system doesn't seem to be up to par.

canadianairborn Posted at 2016-11-23 00:20
What's even more discouraging is that the Ocusync system doesn't seem to be up to par.
htt ...

Hi !
Thats quite OT here, but why do you think 140ms is not "up to par" ?
When checking out your vid i am not convinced that 140ms is the average, more like a peak but thats okay anyways... Or did i miss your point entirely ?

Nils

FlashGJ Posted at 2016-11-22 21:27
Never tested and compared, so I wouldn't know how they all stack up to each other.

Well, its impressive that loads of people are interested in smooth 60 FPS but so few are trying the workaround or go "full-lazy" and let me try on their "unbearable" 30 fps material :-)

So its not much of a problem it seems.
Good news :-P

Nils

P.S. Honestly IF you use the right ND (already got the ND's, just lacking the Mavic) and fly smooth then its not much of a problem UNLESS you want slowmos... But i hoped to get some more native material to play with the parameters and to learn about the caveats. So far the clips i got and worked on were all to the liking of the "pilots"...

Has anyone tested different SD cards to see if it helps?

nils_heidorn Posted at 2016-11-23 20:05
Hi !
Thats quite OT here, but why do you think 140ms is not "up to par" ?
When checking out your vid i am not convinced that 140ms is the average, more like a peak but thats okay anyways... Or did i miss your point entirely ?

He is referring to latency for FPV goggles and how 'not up to par' the ocustink system would be for FPV racing.
You need close zero lag for FPV racing. What's the point of ruining 1080p @60fps and not being able to achieve near zero lag. DJI has ruined the >30fps video recording settings on the Mavic just to make a few flyboys happy with FPV goggles (I cant use it in AUS unless you have a spotter). I hope there is some fix...

And 140ms is neck shot in CSGO, enough lag to boot!!

I was very upset to find this out only after I had ordered and received my drone.

I work as a post production technician in national TV series productions. I would have to fail every single take that would come off the card in any frame rate over 30 just because of the extreme aliasing/moire.

I will have to discuss with DoP and film crews during pre production that if they plan on shooting with a Mavic, that the 1080p/60 footage they love for their half speed slow motion shots will have a very high chance of failing a QC and be a waste of money/time.

I do feel as though there was some false advertising going on when the Mavic was advertised as 1080p/60.

c0balt Posted at 2016-12-13 17:04
I was very upset to find this out only after I had ordered and received my drone.

I work as a post production technician in national TV series productions. I would have to fail every single take that would come off the card in any frame rate over 30 just because of the extreme aliasing/moire.

It did say it does record in 1080p @ 48/60/96fps. It just doesn't mention the poor quality..
It's like my mates asking if I can cook. I say yes. They didn't ask if I was a good cook..

I do really wish they used the exact same sensor as the P4 (non-pro) and used Lightbridge instead of ocustink as I don't FPV (need spotter).

QuanthonyTrang Posted at 2017-1-15 15:15
It did say it does record in 1080p @ 48/60/96fps. It just doesn't the poor quality..
It's like my mates asking if I can cook. I say yes. They didn't ask if I was a good cook..

That's all well a good if it is amongst friends, but you've paid for the drone. A more appropriate analogy would be you ordering a take-away from a chinese restaurant from their menu and then finding out that the fried rice they delivered is nothing more than the microwave crap you get in the supermarkets for a dollar.

I came across this a while ago. Not sure where it is found on the DJI website but this link to a pdf suggests that 1080p 60fps and 96fps is mainly for the goggles.

http://www.droningon.co/wp-conte ... 96fps-DroningON.pdf

nils_heidorn Posted at 2016-11-22 02:37
There are many users who disagree, even pros. Did you really try it for yourself or is this guesswork ?
If you could be more detaild in your critics i may can help otheriwse you are stuck..

Hi, what kind of software do you suggest for Windows users?

Wind Junkie Posted at 2016-11-20 10:04
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dRdE1r1Qqg I forgot that I recorded this in 1080/60, second time I flew the Mavic. Looks good to me

Temporal motion would say otherwise - This was NOT 1080/60

I dont need or use 1080p anymore because with 4k I have way more options with editing. However, editing 4k can take some serious computer power which isn't something everyone currently has so using 1080p is still very practical for a lot of people but the mavic just has unusable 1080p. I find that weird considering the 4k looks great... it would also be nice to scale down to 1080 for higher frame rates and slow motion but unfortunatly the image quality is just terrible.

BentonJoyce Posted at 2017-1-25 11:47
I dont need or use 1080p anymore because with 4k I have way more options with editing. However, editing 4k can take some serious computer power which isn't something everyone currently has so using 1080p is still very practical for a lot of people but the mavic just has unusable 1080p. I find that weird considering the 4k looks great... it would also be nice to scale down to 1080 for higher frame rates and slow motion but unfortunatly the image quality is just terrible.

I've found that the anti-aliasing on things like trees, grass and and leaves in 4K is unusable. I've spent a week trying to solve it with no joy. There are many threads about this.

The issue is the codec just isn't up to the task, and no amount of ingest transcoding or other black magic will solve it. On top of that, it has GOP pulsing every 8 frames also due to poor codec/high throughput.

So that leaves me only able to shoot in 1080p/30fps if I want quality footage.

fans2812ce1f Posted at 2017-1-27 12:18
I've found that the anti-aliasing on things like trees, grass and and leaves in 4K is unusable. I've spent a week trying to solve it with no joy. There are many threads about this.

The issue is the codec just isn't up to the task, and no amount of ingest transcoding or other black magic will solve it. On top of that, it has GOP pulsing every 8 frames also due to poor codec/high throughput.

2.7k, 30fps looks good.  Most feel this is the sweat spot for the mavic pro sensor.

Is far as I understand no new firmware would be able to fix this?

I did not realized that the Mavic had the option to do 60 frame rate I thought 30 was the max.

Hey there, I would like to clear up some misconceptions about the Mavic's camera.
The Mavic Pro uses a SONY sensor, the IMX377, its predecessor IMX117 was used in the Phantom 4.


The sensor is actually pretty good, but there are compromises. The 1080p60/96 modes are known to have saw tooth shaped edges and moiré pattern,
which are both the effect of signal aliasing. The reason is that IMX377 cannot output full pixels and
need to work under the binning mode in the high frame rate more than 60fps. Although the sensor
tries its best to correct the aliasing.
Based on the Nyquist sampling law, the aliasing happens when the frequency of the signal passing
through the lens is nearly twice higher than the maximum sampling frequency of the sensor.
Unfortunately, the signal acquired by the sensor has already been corrupted and are unable to save.


The reason Phantom 4 owners dont see such an artificial phenomenon is because the
IMX117 can output 4KP60. The processor, therefore, downscales the frame from 4K to 1080p using
an anti-aliasing filter, which is superior to the internal combination of the sensor.


So why have this option for the Mavic in the first place? It is NOT for filming, it was included as a superior option for FPV  flying and Googles, as it has lower latency.
If you want to film "slowMotion" then you will have to choose a larger bird like the Phantom or Inspire.
The Mavic Pro is for 24, 25 and 30 FPS filming only but it  does a very good job at it for the size!

Hope this helped some people understand.

I am fine with 4k, but it would be cool to have 180@60fps

the wavy effect i see is in the OP's example is called aliasing.  aliasing is ..basically jaggies or misaligned lines/symmetry.    it comes from a few things, mainly lack of resolution but it can also be an effect of compression constraints as well depending how it is compressed.  

the easiest res that doesn't require much if any post processing just enjoying is 2.7K 24p, its sharp, smooth and clean.  C4K is the best if you are willing to post process.  1080P is pointless unless you are using dji goggles

It is surprising to know the mavic 1080@60fps was worse than what P4 could do. Hope DJI would improve the quality of the footage at the next generation of Mavic Pro .

Jason WAI Posted at 2017-8-28 18:18
It is surprising to know the mavic 1080@60fps was worse than what P4 could do. Hope DJI would improve the quality of the footage at the next generation of Mavic Pro .

According to some people from DJI they have made a hardware change in the Platinum to address the issue of unuseable 1080/60.

calmari Posted at 2017-9-1 07:38
According to some people from DJI they have made a hardware change in the Platinum to address the issue of unuseable 1080/60.

I've heard that rumor, but so far nobody from the early owners have mentioned something like that.