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KevinJ
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  I just bought a Phantom 3 Standard, registered it and installed the latest firmware update. I took out to the back yard to start practicing.
  On the map was a no fly zone and a warning me I was in said no fly zone.
  A little background.
  I’m a licensed pilot in the Washington DC area, an area rich with restricted airspace. I fly out of W00, Freeway airport. Two of the big restricted areas are the S.F.R.A. (Special Flight Rules Area) and the F.R.Z. (Flight Restriction Zone).
  The SFRA is 60 miles in diameter and other than airports no No Fly Zones. I can fly the Phanton just about anywhere inside it.
  The FRZ is roughly 26 miles in diameter and the whole thing is a No Fly Zone. No Phantom flights
  Now here’s the rub. My house is 1.5 miles outside the FRZ. I’ve flown a plane over my house without issue.
  DJI’s No Fly Zone puts me inside its zone by about a mile which is outside the FRZ.
  It is a bit puzzling that DJI did not use the existing FRZ as the No Fly Zone instead of drawing an arbitrary circle around DC.
  If you look the Washington TAC chart you’ll see what I mean.
  So if I obey the rules I can’t fly anywhere around my house. I don’t know who to contact at DJI to discuss this but I will bring it up with AOPA.
  That’s story. Comments? Suggestions?  
     
2017-6-14
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Geebax
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'So if I obey the rules I can’t fly anywhere around my house. I don’t know who to contact at DJI to discuss this but I will bring it up with AOPA.'

DJI do not actually have anything to do with the NFZs, they leave that to a specialist company to manage. Certain NFZs are able to be self-authorised, so you can lift the restriction, others not. Washington is a bad area though, lots of restrictions there since that fool landed a drone on the White House lawn, so as a result, everyone suffers. Not much point talking to AOPA about it though, they have no influence with DJI.
2017-6-14
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KM5RG-Robert
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I wonder what it would have done if you had not updated the firmware but just flown it out of the box. Maybe the same, maybe not.
2017-6-14
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KevinJ
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Geebax Posted at 2017-6-14 14:52
'So if I obey the rules I can’t fly anywhere around my house. I don’t know who to contact at DJI to discuss this but I will bring it up with AOPA.'

DJI do not actually have anything to do with the NFZs, they leave that to a specialist company to manage. Certain NFZs are able to be self-authorised, so you can lift the restriction, others not. Washington is a bad area though, lots of restrictions there since that fool landed a drone on the White House lawn, so as a result, everyone suffers. Not much point talking to AOPA about it though, they have no influence with DJI.

AOPA influence with TSA/FAA but I really don't expect much
2017-6-14
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Mark The Droner
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I live in the DC area.

DJI's NFZ is a 25 km radius around Reagan National.  So yeah, some of it is outside of the FRZ and some of it may even be inside the FRZ.  DJI's NFZ is a perfect circle and, as you know, the DC FRZ is not.  

I don't think there's anything you can do to solve the problem other than to block the GPS antenna and fly in ATTI.  Or drive a bit before launching.

Here's another thread discussing more of the same:  http://forum.dji.com/forum.php?m ... D333%26typeid%3D333

Sorry.  Good luck.  

2017-6-14
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KevinJ
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Mark The Droner Posted at 2017-6-14 16:51
I live in the DC area.

DJI's NFZ is a 25 km radius around Reagan National.  So yeah, some of it is outside of the FRZ and some of it may even be inside the FRZ.  DJI's NFZ is a perfect circle and, as you know, the DC FRZ is not.  

Thank you very much. I just read that while thread and it seems there are a lot of us in the same boat.

One thing I posted over on that thread is I've been flying lite fixed wing aircraft for years but this is learning to fly ALL over again. .
A whole different animal.
2017-6-15
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E.finlay
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Geebax Posted at 2017-6-14 14:52
'So if I obey the rules I can’t fly anywhere around my house. I don’t know who to contact at DJI to discuss this but I will bring it up with AOPA.'

DJI do not actually have anything to do with the NFZs, they leave that to a specialist company to manage. Certain NFZs are able to be self-authorised, so you can lift the restriction, others not. Washington is a bad area though, lots of restrictions there since that fool landed a drone on the White House lawn, so as a result, everyone suffers. Not much point talking to AOPA about it though, they have no influence with DJI.

DJI do not actually have anything to do with the NFZs, they leave that to a specialist company to manage.

read what you wrote.  If DJI hired the company, then DJI had something to do with it.  The company they hired appears to be incompetent.  I ran into the same thing with a TFR.  Where they drew the circle had absolutely no relationship to the actual FAA TFR.   They don't have a clue what they are doing
2017-6-15
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Geebax
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E.finlay Posted at 2017-6-15 08:52
DJI do not actually have anything to do with the NFZs, they leave that to a specialist company to manage.

read what you wrote.  If DJI hired the company, then DJI had something to do with it.  The company they hired appears to be incompetent.  I ran into the same thing with a TFR.  Where they drew the circle had absolutely no relationship to the actual FAA TFR.   They don't have a clue what they are doing

I don't need to read what I wrote, DJI make drones, they do not make maps, instead they leave them to a company who knows how to do that. It is a pretty big job, because they have to gather information from the aviation authoritories in every country they cover in the world, and from that data they prepare the NFZ information. As such, the NFZ information is not decided by that company, nor DJI, it is the information gathered from the aviation authorities. On the other hand, DJI will happily pass on information from you about errors if you contact them.
2017-6-15
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E.finlay
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Geebax Posted at 2017-6-15 16:31
I don't need to read what I wrote, DJI make drones, they do not make maps, instead they leave them to a company who knows how to do that. It is a pretty big job, because they have to gather information from the aviation authoritories in every country they cover in the world, and from that data they prepare the NFZ information. As such, the NFZ information is not decided by that company, nor DJI, it is the information gathered from the aviation authorities. On the other hand, DJI will happily pass on information from you about errors if you contact them.

I looked at a map of a TFR from the FAA.  It was nothing like the zone that DJI restriced flying in.  The FAA publishes maps with the TFR annotated on them.  They don't need a 3rd party screwing it up, just use the OFFICIAL FAA map and be done with it.
2017-6-16
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Geebax
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E.finlay Posted at 2017-6-16 07:36
I looked at a map of a TFR from the FAA.  It was nothing like the zone that DJI restriced flying in.  The FAA publishes maps with the TFR annotated on them.  They don't need a 3rd party screwing it up, just use the OFFICIAL FAA map and be done with it.

And for other countries? Typical yank, can't think outside your own borders.
2017-6-16
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E.finlay
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Geebax Posted at 2017-6-16 15:00
And for other countries? Typical yank, can't think outside your own borders.

I don't live in other countries and if the information the DJI contractor is providing is wrong in this country, what makes you think there is not a problem in other countries?  
2017-6-20
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Dav 0
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Just switch off geo services.
2017-6-20
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howardbarnesrei
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Subject: Inaccurate flight restriction zone

I sent the following message to DJI Support for a similar problem: Hello, My DJI app that I use to fly my Phantom 3 Standard says there is a flight restriction zone active that I am inside and will not allow me to start or fly the UAS. I've double checked the FAA website for active TFRs and there are none in my area. There is a flight restriction zone over Fort Benning, GA, but I live almost 10 miles outside of that area and therefore should not be affected. I've updated my firmware and am currently using the most up to date version of the application (3.1.10) and the UAS firmware version is 1.8.10. My flight controller serial number is 03Z0504999. I currently live at the following coordinates: 32.58N/084.79W. Please contact me so that I may again be able to use my Phantom. Thank you, Howard Reiney

I also sent screen shots from the FAA maps showing I was nearly 4 miles outside the FAA Restricted Area.

I did get a response from DJI Support, but so far the rep has not solved my problem. He authorized a temporary unlock from the NFZ but made an error in my Flight Controller SN, even though I sent the correct number, so it did not work.

I just want to fly my drone in my own yard. I didn't have a problem, until I updated the firmware.
2017-6-25
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