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MAvicMinh
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Hi DJI mods and everyone, apols if asked before but I am wondering if flying Sparks in Vietnam would put it into FCC or CE power mode? And how would we know which mode is currently enabled?
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Minh



2017-8-18
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Lian82
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Watch your channel WiFi 2.4 if u have 11 channel your county is FCC if u have 13 channel u country is  CE.

I think this is a different but I don’t know 100% if is true
2017-8-18
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eylneb
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Depends on which country not the region.. u need to chek with the regulatory body on this to be sure
should be able to find the info here..
from their website Ministry of Information and Communications (MIC)
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MAvicMinh
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Yep. I checked. I got 13 channels and the thing is there is NO regulation or enforcement in place for Vietnam. I imported a 2000mW 2.4 video transmitter and nobody cares. Why would DJI forces us to follow rules of  the continents we arent even on? When I come to the EU and fly my drone there obviously I wont have any complaining but Vietnam really?
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MAvicMinh Posted at 2017-8-18 22:46
Yep. I checked. I got 13 channels and the thing is there is NO regulation or enforcement in place for Vietnam. I imported a 2000mW 2.4 video transmitter and nobody cares. Why would DJI forces us to follow rules of  the continents we arent even on? When I come to the EU and fly my drone there obviously I wont have any complaining but Vietnam really?

apparently recently upgraded to 200mW

http://mic.gov.vn/Pages/VanBan/13858/46_2016_TT-BTTTT.html
http://www.rheintech.com/vietnam ... reless-devices-2017
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So far as I know, FCC is available in US only. Everywhere else is CE.
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eylneb Posted at 2017-8-18 23:27
apparently recently upgraded to 200mW

http://mic.gov.vn/Pages/VanBan/13858/46_2016_TT-BTTTT.html

Hi, Sorry I don't get it that. If it is CE in Vietnam, then obviously, the range for Spark is 500m only.
Then, what is the different in 100mW and 200mW ? Because following the CE, the range will not increase anyway.
2017-8-26
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RoyTeo
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It's Fcc in the USA and Ce everywhere else in teh world. Even if that country allows FCC standards, DJI somehow just does the easy thing and just CE everywhere in the world other than USA. I've tested it by simulating different country codes and other than USA, they all end up with 13ch wifi so it's CE..only US has 11 ch FCC wifi
2017-8-26
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RoyTeo Posted at 2017-8-26 23:49
It's Fcc in the USA and Ce everywhere else in teh world. Even if that country allows FCC standards, DJI somehow just does the easy thing and just CE everywhere in the world other than USA. I've tested it by simulating different country codes and other than USA, they all end up with 13ch wifi so it's CE..only US has 11 ch FCC wifi

Then that does not make sense to me because there are youtube video of guys in Thailand got the 2000m distance (so obviously he was on FCC).
In VN there is no regulation,but because DJI does not know for sure,they just go with the safe side and apply CE for VN.I often got maximum distance ~300m only...
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Phuong Do Posted at 2017-8-26 20:54
Hi, Sorry I don't get it that. If it is CE in Vietnam, then obviously, the range for Spark is 500m only.
Then, what is the different in 100mW and 200mW ? Because following the CE, the range will not increase anyway.

higher transmission power = further... But there is a posibility that because 200mW translate to 23dbm which is still lower than FCC's..
Anyway only DJI will know the criteria on how much power is transmited or how is the selection is done.
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RoyTeo Posted at 2017-8-26 23:49
It's Fcc in the USA and Ce everywhere else in teh world. Even if that country allows FCC standards, DJI somehow just does the easy thing and just CE everywhere in the world other than USA. I've tested it by simulating different country codes and other than USA, they all end up with 13ch wifi so it's CE..only US has 11 ch FCC wifi

Not true.. Im in Msia & i got 1.7km (open area)
Which is based on our regulation (MCMC) it is similiar to FCC's regulation
2017-8-27
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Hong Kong are using FCC standard and the power limit was 4w but don't know why Spark using CE as standard......
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rickysuperdog Posted at 2017-8-27 18:11
Hong Kong are using FCC standard and the power limit was 4w but don't know why Spark using CE as standard......

not following china's?  = SRRC

do bear in mind it is still depending on any interruptions.. Published details are based on unintterupted transmission. (if you fly around cities chances are it'll have interruptions.

Wide open field may have better result.
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Phuong Do Posted at 2017-8-27 03:02
Then that does not make sense to me because there are youtube video of guys in Thailand got the 2000m distance (so obviously he was on FCC).
In VN there is no regulation,but because DJI does not know for sure,they just go with the safe side and apply CE for VN.I often got maximum distance ~300m only...

try googling Vietnam EIRP regulations

This is the regulation body
http://mic.gov.vn/Pages/trangchu.aspx
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Different standards will be applied according to the corresponding area automatically. The range maybe different in variable environment.
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Phuong Do
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eylneb Posted at 2017-8-27 18:25
try googling Vietnam EIRP regulations

This is the regulation body

Thanks for the link.
As I have researched on this matter, in Vietnam we do not follow FCC or CE, but have our own standard.
Then I just wonder which one that DJI apply on Vietnam. I doubt that they will apply CE to go on the safe side...
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Phuong Do
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I think I have figured out the technical here.Can you guys please confirm.Basically the dBm and mW unit are interchangeable.so 200mW in VN means ~24dBM.and according to dji spec,26dBM can get around 2000m,so with 24dBM in Vietnam,i should get ~1800m.Is it correct?
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Phuong Do Posted at 2017-8-27 21:08
I think I have figured out the technical here.Can you guys please confirm.Basically the dBm and mW unit are interchangeable.so 200mW in VN means ~24dBM.and according to dji spec,26dBM can get around 2000m,so with 24dBM in Vietnam,i should get ~1800m.Is it correct?

I guess it will go the the next lowest thoug..

Im not sure if the MIC refers to the viet regulation body..

conincidently Viet uses MIC  (Ministry of Information and Comm)
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RoyTeo
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Very simple check..just go to your 2.4hz wifi and see how many channels you have. CE is 13ch and FCC is 11. That will tell you which you are in. And in open areas, CE also can get up to 2km. In congested areas, FCC also can't go to 1km so it really varies on your location. Just because your country supports FCC doesn't mean DJI puts it in FCC mode. My country is also FCC according to the governing body, but the spark defaults to CE only. It's easier for DJI to write codes that is location is USA, set FCC, everywhere else, CE..instead of writing codes to determine each and every country and what band to use. Logical?
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RoyTeo Posted at 2017-8-27 22:58
Very simple check..just go to your 2.4hz wifi and see how many channels you have. CE is 13ch and FCC is 11. That will tell you which you are in. And in open areas, CE also can get up to 2km. In congested areas, FCC also can't go to 1km so it really varies on your location. Just because your country supports FCC doesn't mean DJI puts it in FCC mode. My country is also FCC according to the governing body, but the spark defaults to CE only. It's easier for DJI to write codes that is location is USA, set FCC, everywhere else, CE..instead of writing codes to determine each and every country and what band to use. Logical?

Do you mean to check it over the DJI App?

Even though? Any chance to change the mode?
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RoyTeo
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RZIMIN Posted at 2017-8-28 00:54
Do you mean to check it over the DJI App?

Even though? Any chance to change the mode?

yes, the Dji Go 4 App. There's a page to change your wifi channels and settings..just need to see how many channels you have on the 2.4gz page.
And no, there's no way to change from  CE to FCC (officially). It's all based on your location and automatically set by the app.
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eylneb Posted at 2017-8-27 18:00
Not true.. Im in Msia & i got 1.7km (open area)
Which is based on our regulation (MCMC) it is similiar to FCC's regulation

CE in open area also can go 1.7km. FCC vs CE is just signal strength..the CE strength itself can reach 2km..FCC is just stronger.
I think the max distance isn't blocked by DJI other than in europe but the mode probably is. Just check your wifi channels in 2.4gz and see if you have 11 or 13 channels and you will know. As far as i know, i've asked Malaysia, Singapore,Thailand, Vietnam...all 13channels..so all CE
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RoyTeo Posted at 2017-8-28 03:21
CE in open area also can go 1.7km. FCC vs CE is just signal strength..the CE strength itself can reach 2km..FCC is just stronger.
I think the max distance isn't blocked by DJI other than in europe but the mode probably is. Just check your wifi channels in 2.4gz and see if you have 11 or 13 channels and you will know. As far as i know, i've asked Malaysia, Singapore,Thailand, Vietnam...all 13channels..so all CE

ive got 11 channels though
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RoyTeo Posted at 2017-8-28 03:21
CE in open area also can go 1.7km. FCC vs CE is just signal strength..the CE strength itself can reach 2km..FCC is just stronger.
I think the max distance isn't blocked by DJI other than in europe but the mode probably is. Just check your wifi channels in 2.4gz and see if you have 11 or 13 channels and you will know. As far as i know, i've asked Malaysia, Singapore,Thailand, Vietnam...all 13channels..so all CE

Hi,
Just to inform that Vietnam is not CE. To my surprise, DJI confirmed to me they apply FCC to Vietnam. That actually what I expect because we do not follow FCC or CE in Vietnam, therefore, applying CE on us and reduce the range makes no sense
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eylneb Posted at 2017-8-28 17:56
ive got 11 channels though

Then you're in FCC mode!
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RoyTeo
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Phuong Do Posted at 2017-8-28 18:21
Hi,
Just to inform that Vietnam is not CE. To my surprise, DJI confirmed to me they apply FCC to Vietnam. That actually what I expect because we do not follow FCC or CE in Vietnam, therefore, applying CE on us and reduce the range makes no sense

Lucky you! In Singapore although the government officially mentioned we are FCC approved, DJI still choses to limit us to CE with 13 channels only and a weaker signal
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eylneb Posted at 2017-8-28 17:56
ive got 11 channels though

and where are you located?
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eylneb Posted at 2017-8-27 18:00
Not true.. Im in Msia & i got 1.7km (open area)
Which is based on our regulation (MCMC) it is similiar to FCC's regulation

How did you manage to get 1.7 KM with the spark? Is it in FCC mode? i tried multiple times already and i was at most able to fly 300 meters max with 5.8ghz and it was always forcing me to CE mode..
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TerryWJS Posted at 2018-1-23 23:44
How did you manage to get 1.7 KM with the spark? Is it in FCC mode? i tried multiple times already and i was at most able to fly 300 meters max with 5.8ghz and it was always forcing me to CE mode..

I'm not sure...

where did you try in?? I was on higher grounds (ie 5th floor)

Were you using remote? As if you are on Mobile phone, there is a limit
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RZIMIN Posted at 2017-8-28 00:54
Do you mean to check it over the DJI App?

Even though? Any chance to change the mode?

Yes I manage to change mine and it works. so now i can gain my distance on my set
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