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David_
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DJI decided to force you to login if you are a new customer or if the app updates itself. If DJI's servers are down or you are in a remote location, you will not be able to fly at all. This may not have happened to you, but it happens a lot. (See links below.) The question that comes to mind is why is signing in so important to DJI? If they wanted to prevent so many customers from being upset, they would just make logging in optional. Simple. After all, it has nothing to do with the real requirements needed to fly, like a charged battery and a functioning aircraft. They won't though, and that is curious... Who does logging in really benefit? Why is it that you won't get a direct answer to this question from DJI?

https://forum.dji.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=125769
https://forum.dji.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=125784
https://forum.dji.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=114931
https://forum.dji.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=125835
https://forum.dji.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=79104
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A CW
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Without the app the NFZ database built into the drone will not be able to tell if you are near a NFZ - such as delivering drugs into a nearby prison, taking off next to an airport or flying over a nearby school... The app links to geo fencing, your GPS location and your personal information so without these details linked to the app/drone you will not be able to take off or even if you are your flight distances will be severely limited.
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ghostrdr
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You just won't let this go will you? Do you work for GoPro?
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rolling56
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Well Google does it and DJI does it and every other company pretty much does it for whatever reason plus with Android you give them 6 permissions from Camera to Storage..
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Hi.  It's because DJI wants to transmit your aircraft stats, and your email address, to local law enforcement thru the DJI's AeroScope.
Do a google search on AeroScope.
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I cannot get to the "ready to fly".  I get GPS mode showing but it never goes to Ready to Fly.  No cell phone, so I am only using the controller by itself.
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UPTGrad Posted at 2017-12-29 15:52
Hi.  It's because DJI wants to transmit your aircraft stats, and your email address, to local law enforcement thru the DJI's AeroScope.
Do a google search on AeroScope.

Not quite as simple as that...there needs to be a receiver within range of the UAT in order for the system to receive data.  Not sure if many small municipalities have it within their budgets to 1) install the receivers 2)pay for the software service.
Drone identification settings will be included in DJI’s initial drone software to allow customers to choose the content of their own drone’s identification broadcast to match local expectations both before and after identification regulations are implemented in different jurisdictions. To protect customers’ privacy, the AeroScope system will not automatically transmit any personally identifiable information until regulations or policies in the pilot's jurisdiction require it.
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A CW Posted at 2017-12-29 12:26
Without the app the NFZ database built into the drone will not be able to tell if you are near a NFZ - such as delivering drugs into a nearby prison, taking off next to an airport or flying over a nearby school... The app links to geo fencing, your GPS location and your personal information so without these details linked to the app/drone you will not be able to take off or even if you are your flight distances will be severely limited.

Your answer may be correct, but it is also speculation. I don't see why DJI needs to care one bit about what the FAA wants. Why would the FAA have any authority to tell DJI what to do when so many other drone companies don't have a care in the world about the FAA's concerns? Why do you accept these restrictions as ok? Someone (DJI) just made up some rules and you blindly accept them as normal? Technically, you should be able to do whatever you want, whenever you want, wherever you want with your property since you paid for it. If you do anything wrong, that is between you and the offended law enforcement body. That's all there is to it. It is alarming that you would be ok having all of these extra restrictions placed on you as if you were just a moron and personal responsibility somehow doesn't exist.

So far it looks like forcing the customer to log in, to the point that their drone is bricked unless they do so, is completely for DJI's benefit, at the customer's expense. DJI's AeroScope product that they push to law enforcement, shares your personal data with law enforcement if you are within 5 miles of the device. They need you to be logged in to be able to give that data over to whatever agency happens to be using the AeroScope system. That is just one reason though. I'm sure there are several others...
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Mari
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What personal data... just my e-mail address nothing else I had to enter for registration... What do they want to do with that? Send me an e-mail? LOL...
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David_ Posted at 2017-12-29 21:43
Your answer may be correct, but it is also speculation. I don't see why DJI needs to care one bit about what the FAA wants. Why would the FAA have any authority to tell DJI what to do when so many other drone companies don't have a care in the world about the FAA's concerns? Why do you accept these restrictions as ok? Someone (DJI) just made up some rules and you blindly accept them as normal? Technically, you should be able to do whatever you want, whenever you want, wherever you want with your property since you paid for it. If you do anything wrong, that is between you and the offended law enforcement body. That's all there is to it. It is alarming that you would be ok having all of these extra restrictions placed on you as if you were just a moron and personal responsibility somehow doesn't exist.

So far it looks like forcing the customer to log in, to the point that their drone is bricked unless they do so, is completely for DJI's benefit, at the customer's expense. DJI's AeroScope product that they push to law enforcement, shares your personal data with law enforcement if you are within 5 miles of the device. They need you to be logged in to be able to give that data over to whatever agency happens to be using the AeroScope system. That is just one reason though. I'm sure there are several others...

Do you know how much DJI would suffer commercially if the FAA ban drones within US airspace? You think about that... Technically, you abide by the rules, laws and regulations. Otherwise, are you saying that I have the right to fly my drone chasing a police helicopter? Hovering in front of your bedroom? flying around prisons? Landing on the roof of the White House? Do you believe DJI wish to have their products affiliated with such behaviour? It is about responsibility and ensuring the product is minimised to prevent the owner from breaking laws with the products they produce as that will cause massive detriment to their credibility and global reputation. To be seen to minimise these risks helps to support the developement of the drone industry and ultimately their business in the eyes of national aviation authorities - many of whom would like to ban drones if it were not so commerically advantageous to the countries economy. Its about keeping the use of the products as safe as possible to prevent morons from endangering others and the drone industry being wiped out. If you are not willing to embrace restrictions to uphold these laws and the tech DJI and others build into their products to endeavour to uphold and work with them then perhaps you need to change your hobby... It's quite a simple concept really. And no, I do not consider myself moronic (as you rudely put it) for adhering to the law in my country and I respect DJI (as the market leader with a 70% share in the industry) for working with the authorties to enhance the safety of the millions of products they produce - and there is nothing speculative about that - simply FACT!
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A CW Posted at 2017-12-30 01:24
Do you know how much DJI would suffer commercially if the FAA ban drones within US airspace? You think about that... Technically, you abide by the rules, laws and regulations. Otherwise, are you saying that I have the right to fly my drone chasing a police helicopter? Hovering in front of your bedroom? flying around prisons? Landing on the roof of the White House? Do you believe DJI wish to have their products affiliated with such behaviour? It is about responsibility and ensuring the product is minimised to prevent the owner from breaking laws with the products they produce as that will cause massive detriment to their credibility and global reputation. To be seen to minimise these risks helps to support the developement of the drone industry and ultimately their business in the eyes of national aviation authorities - many of whom would like to ban drones if it were not so commerically advantageous to the countries economy. Its about keeping the use of the products as safe as possible to prevent morons from endangering others and the drone industry being wiped out. If you are not willing to embrace restrictions to uphold these laws and the tech DJI and others build into their products to endeavour to uphold and work with them then perhaps you need to change your hobby... It's quite a simple concept really. And no, I do not consider myself moronic (as you rudely put it) for adhering to the law in my country and I respect DJI (as the market leader with a 70% share in the industry) for working with the authorties to enhance the safety of the millions of products they produce - and there is nothing speculative about that - simply FACT!

This is really simple. DJI is taking its problems (i.e. the FAA and inept drone pilots) and pushing those problems onto you, the customer by adding unnecessary restrictions (i.e. no-fly zones, forced autoland, forced login, altitude limits, etc.). Technically, you are better off having as many options as possible. DJI's log-in-or-you-can't-fly policy is just one of the many ways DJI is limiting your options, for their sole benefit. Do you really own your aircraft or does DJI own it?
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A CW
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David_ Posted at 2018-1-1 18:05
This is really simple. DJI is taking its problems (i.e. FAA and inept drone pilots) and pushing those problems onto the customer by adding unnecessary restrictions (i.e. no-fly zones, forced autoland, forced login, etc.). Technically, you are better off having as many options as possible. Forcing you to log in is just one of the many ways DJI is limiting your options. I'm just saying, "Get your hands off of my aircraft. I didn't rent it, I bought it, so F off."

I suggest you sell it then pal as they won't "F off" anytime soon...
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Peter Galbavy
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Their controllers, the Chinese government, told them to collect the data.
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I didn’t like the idea at first but I did. The only thing you can do is buy a different brand....
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What data and for what purpose? That a UK email address bought a drone and they can see pictures of a golf course or farm field in the middle of nowhere that I took LOL - I think the Chinese government has more important issues to deal with than the image quality of your drone footage.
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David_ Posted at 2018-1-1 18:05
This is really simple. DJI is taking its problems (i.e. FAA and inept drone pilots) and pushing those problems onto the customer by adding unnecessary restrictions (i.e. no-fly zones, forced autoland, forced login, etc.). Technically, you are better off having as many options as possible. Forcing you to log in is just one of the many ways DJI is limiting your options. I'm just saying, "Get your hands off of my aircraft. I didn't rent it, I bought it, so F off."

DJI is just protecting their capitalistic interests by being proactive with those who have the power to kill their market ( and you investment).
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Griffith Posted at 2018-1-2 11:09
DJI is just protecting their capitalistic interests by being proactive with those who have the power to kill their market ( and you investment).

Yes, they are protecting their interests, but at the customer's expense.
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Koia Koia
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This thread.
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A CW Posted at 2018-1-2 00:49
I suggest you sell it then pal as they won't "F off" anytime soon...

For sure. Autel may be where a lot of us are headed.
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Filipok Posted at 6-6 09:48
For sure. Autel may be where a lot of us are headed.

So I guess we won't be seeing you on here anymore.
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I'm not sure there's much privacy these days anywhere.
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Fred F
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What logging in?  I have been flying mainly in remote places where there isn't any network connections.  In fact, I turn off my phone's SIM card when I fly....never had a problem other than those area which NFZ data is already programmed in, e.g. once near an airport ( not a busy one ), that I don't even know I was close, the NFZ message stopped me from flying, which was fine to me.
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