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HereForTheBeer Posted at 2018-9-19 03:58
i know how drones work, and im sure polish_pat does to some degree as well, given his flight distances recorded, he knows his aircraft well enough. so im not going to assume he doesnt know jack sh*t. however if you read what he posted... it was outside of his primary control, and was experiencing a fly away event. the spark is inherently flawed at its core, and people like him with his log files and relying what he witnessed happen that can improve both software side for the drone to behave better as well as future hardware revisions to fix this sadly, common issue. i been through 2 sparks, only drone i had to ever get replaced.
i am absolutely upset with people that cant let others fly an inch outside of the rules.. not everyone that does something beyond the rules is doing something dangerous, canadian rules are especially oppressive with drones.. too much so, and american rules...the FAA cant make their minds up. just look at latest changes.. removed 400 foot AGL limit from recreational use..
I appreciate somebody with the little bit of logic to make an effort to stick up for someone. Im not saying thanks for bashing but thanks for restating the facts so trolls can sit down.
I don't know why people feel compelled to be enforcers on public forums other than too much time to kill and/or enjoys being d i c k s for no reason...because i'm sure if they are old enough, they always respected the speed limit to the dot, stoped at signs for a full 2 seconds and never parked with hazrds for a quick stop.....
I stated from the biginning i intended in making this a constructive and comprehensive thread because i know not many will go into as much detail with data points, and do this with transparency while DJI are fixing it and have the link to this. I do this for one reason only, i enjoy technology, new ones even more, and enjoy being in at the early stages and participating, so this droning hobby, im new at it, but so is the consumer drone world. I also have over a decade in working as a technical professional in the computer/electronic industry and know how little people understand how much better everything would be if people were just a little more observant and "TRY" to remember the small details that they might not think relevant but often are. People don't care for the infinite work it takes to make a little gadget, software, electrical system, and keep it running smoothly and how many millions of lines of coding go into simple things like lifting off and setting a homepoint. They just want it to work.
With that in mind, here what I think of rules. They are usually reasonnable, but they have to include EVERYONE at the same level. From a 12yo kid that has no value of money for expensive stuff to the 65yo man that wants to revisit his flying days in WW2 or the super tech geeks that just get the grip on new stuff and keep wanting bigger, faster, stronger because they need more tech to keep them happy. I bought a tello and within 3 days of getting it i was using command line with the sdk to automate its flight. Rules are meant to eliminate risk for an extremely broad bracket of people and for an extremely large set of parameters that are often way too extreme and are rectified along the way, and those that prove they are worthy can apply for permissions, or lisences.
If your computer or phone tells you "an app crashed", you wont stop using it, you ignore it...but if it starts happening more often, and for a persistent time, thats when you might move to do something. Why would this drone be any different? Patterns are the key, patterns are the reason why people who had their spark fly away saw their google search come back with more results than expected and then decided to add their story. The truth is, there is so much technology that goes into this little device, many of them also in their early stages, and with a device that has so much potential that if you undertood anything you'd know quadcopter drones, not UAV planes, or helicopters, but specifically 4 propeller and more aircraft will change the world on such a large scale, those that have the vision are already using them to send drugs into jails, assassinate politicians, use miniature versions in combat to move inside of buildings to scout the area, ship freaking packages you've ordered online 30 minutes ago.....
I know this post is already too much, but I never asked for confrontation and have past the trolling period years ago. I understand the critical value of an active, proactive and eager comminity to help accelerate and improve tech, and for the spark, we very much need it or things can also trun for the worse if people start having more and more flyaways and they start causing physical harm to anything around...all it takes is 1 event to punish an entire planet. The task for DJI is huge. I really respect and admire what they are doing no matter how much of patent trolls they really are to squash competition. But the fact is, even other companies not sent to the grave by DJI are dying on their own. When you create a device with so much moving parts that constantly changes with the environment they are in, the intelligence of the pilot, and so many other factors, and add the many coding errors, early tech limitations, and need to create an AI that can balance all of that in real time, and then you have to put that in a consumer market that is in majority people that "just want it to work", you end up with devices like the Spark. Fantastic at 95% of what people want and also packs technologies other drones dont come close to giving for that pricepoint, it has unfortunately very dark flaws, just ask GoPro how much money one can have and a reputation for also being a revolutionary force in a parrallel world, but how fast they burned down to the ground when they were tired of being just 1/2 of a drone and tried to be the full thing....its the AI. Thats the only reason why so much people cry fowl and blame DJI or dont agree with them when they lose it and the logs clearely show pilot error. The AI is taken from high end drones meant for prosumers and highly professional industry needs, then dumbed down to esentially be a supervisor for everything some dude just got his first drone and got home without reading anything, took off and crashed it only to take it back to the store for a refund because of "defective product".
The consumer market has no pitty, no patience and no judgement, and they push technology companies so far into the limits that sometimes things go bad...very bad, and unless you have billions in the bank and other products in other segments, a company will not survive. Ask samsung how much they agree with me, and how much money they lost... they did a great job resolving it, in my view at least with their pocket bombs..i really regret having to send back my blue Note 7 ......2 times. Now ask parrot how they are doing when they never had much of a scandal, they just make drones that cost like a mavic but barely compete with a spark.
So @marlowe when i said something in the lines of "people posting dumb advise about calibration" it wasnt a jab at you, you just happened to post about it and it reminded me how many times i read a thread where the go-to solution is always to recalibrate everything for any error when that will almost certainly fire back. I'm sorry for whatever jab you thought was towards you, now please either squash it, i value the participation of anybody with good intensions and not the actual quality of the advise which is subject to personal exprience, whether from 3h or 30 000h.
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