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fans980d1304 Posted at 2018-9-7 11:39
Maybe the chip can do it but what about extra heat? We don't know anything about how this thing works. Clearly, DJI made an intentional decision and not just an oversight. The fix is simple and free, and you can make a 1 click preset that adds the distortion correction and a Dlog-M LUT simultaneously. No extra work.

Free distortion correction - http://geni.us/DistortionCorrection

Thanks for the link! I'll pull it into FCPX and use it. Good point about the heat. Maybe we can at least get some extra color profiles though like D-Cinelike for us M2Pro users.
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TommyGa Posted at 2018-9-7 11:28
Here's the M2 core board - it shows the H3. That's good news that they are using such a good chip.  They did a good teardown in the DJI reverse engineering slack group that I'm a part of.

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Nice! Yes that is a very good chip, and I love to see there's that much power under the hood!

Also saw the screenshot you posted from "blade strike" from DJI Enterprise, and if that's the case, that at least is a coherent, logical explanation of why this occurring on the M2P, but still not good, as the M2 line is targeted as a "consumer" drone, but tasks like this are more professional grade, and typically require higher-end post-production software to correct, so it's understandable that a LOT of people will be ticked at this!
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EdisonW1979 Posted at 2018-9-7 11:18
Let's not forget YOU got banned in 2017 for TROLLING as well...

Seems to me TommyGA is OK, and since he hasn't been a jerk to anyone, or me (unlike you) and I've just started conversing with him, I'll give him the full benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.

I got banned for 5 days because of a disagreement. He’s been banned for life more than 6 times, he loves his lackeys and guess which two he picked this time, yes yourself and HedgeTrimmer .

Check out his post.
https://forum.dji.com/forum.php? ... 274&pid=1557025

This is one of 3 accounts he has running here now. https://forum.dji.com/forum.php? ... 274&pid=1557970
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hallmark007 Posted at 2018-9-7 11:51
I got banned for 5 days because of a disagreement. He’s been banned for life more than 6 times, he loves his lackeys and guess which two he picked this time, yes yourself and HedgeTrimmer .

Check out his post.

How about you do everyone here a favour and stop hijacking yet ANOTHER thread and get out? That will be much better!
So far I've never spoken with him before this thread today, and thus far, his posts have been polite, informative, coherant, and on the up-and-up, so I'm judging the book by this cover for now... You're a totally different story however, and judgement has already been passed on you long ago...
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EdisonW1979 Posted at 2018-9-7 11:50
Nice! Yes that is a very good chip, and I love to see there's that much power under the hood!

Also saw the screenshot you posted from "blade strike" from DJI Enterprise, and if that's the case, that at least is a coherent, logical explanation of why this occurring on the M2P, but still not good, as the M2 line is targeted as a "consumer" drone, but tasks like this are more professional grade, and typically require higher-end post-production software to correct, so it's understandable that a LOT of people will be ticked at this!

Yeah - true. I'm sure by now engineering must know how ticked some people are and maybe they will figure out a way to do this, just like they are promising to put back in precision landing.
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TommyGa Posted at 2018-9-7 11:52
Yeah - true. I'm sure by now engineering must know how ticked some people are and maybe they will figure out a way to do this, just like they are promising to put back in precision landing.

But even in your posting from DJI engineering, it would appear they deliberately didn't "bake in" the PL function into the M2, and don't seem too eager to put it in, despite all the sensors being available.

I typically manually land my drone, but this was a nice thing to have, and is VERY useful in many circumstances, so they better put it back fast!
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EdisonW1979 Posted at 2018-9-7 11:52
How about you do everyone here a favour and stop hijacking yet ANOTHER thread and get out? That will be much better!
So far I've never spoken with him before this thread today, and thus far, his posts have been polite, informative, coherant, and on the up-and-up, so I'm judging the book by this cover for now... You're a totally different story however, and judgement has already been passed on you long ago...

Yeah I think they say never judge a book by its cover or didn’t you learn that one at school, you do more thrashing of threads around here yourself.
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hallmark007 Posted at 2018-9-7 11:51
I got banned for 5 days because of a disagreement. He’s been banned for life more than 6 times, he loves his lackeys and guess which two he picked this time, yes yourself and HedgeTrimmer .

Check out his post.

Once again  ... can you plz stop it. It has no place here.
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EdisonW1979 Posted at 2018-9-7 11:55
But even in your posting from DJI engineering, it would appear they deliberately didn't "bake in" the PL function into the M2, and don't seem too eager to put it in, despite all the sensors being available.

I typically manually land my drone, but this was a nice thing to have, and is VERY useful in many circumstances, so they better put it back fast!

Absolutely. I assume precision RTH would be an easier feature to re-implement than the barrel distortion correction. Once they saw how many people were disappointed, they apparently backtracked.

I suppose we can hope for the same on the lens correction!
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HCL Posted at 2018-9-7 09:29
In many cases i agree with your posts but following the discussion about this topic it feels you flip your position on this quite often ;-)
And as posted more than ones ... it is only "quick" AND acceptable if you have the right correction profile AND it fits in your host application and production workflow. Using the build in optical compensation in after effects for example can make it BETTER and maybe acceptable for GoPro footage but not good enough considering the level of quality i want to achieve with 10bit footage coming out of this hasselblad camera. At this level and price point i want spot on correction. You can say it's easy and accaptable for you but you can't generalize it.

Hahahahahaha.
Even though I would love to be wrong, but a brand name is not equal to a product made to their former standards.
Especially with Hasselblad that has a recent history of putting their name on a 'regular' camera.
(Sony Nex-7 I believe)
And even Nikon / Sony  etc. have auto corrections on their camera's that are applied to jpeg's and if you don't want them you need to shoot raw (NEF for Nikon)
Nothing special here if you aks me.
I even remember a Panasonic camera that had very visible vignetting (you saw the edge of the lens) without the correction.
These small 'compact' camera's will always have to make optical compromises that they fix in 'post' or let you fix in post.
(if you want that of course)
And let's not forget the M2P is a drone, gimbal and a camera in one.
So it is not your DSLR (unfortunately)
It is something like a $800 drone, $200 gimbal and $200 camera or something like that.
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The fix is simple in 2 pieces of software that many of us do not use and don’t want to use.

Is it possible LumaFusion will come out with a lens profile for this camera? Same with Apple perhaps?
Couldn’t DJI, errr, Hasselblad have made the glass progressively thinner towards the sides?
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Unfortunately lens correct in 10bit will not be possible .. Please understand they are using available bandwidth for the 10bit color depth.
  
  
I will also like add that dlog-m requires post no matter what or you will have a very flat image. this would be just another step to your post workflow. This is the entire point to this type of profile.
  
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You know, as a owner of multiple DJI products, I'm done.

Buying these drones is an exercise in complete frustration.

From the stripped out features to the go pro fisheye camera and the endless firmware mess that is sure to follow, it isn't worth it.

DJI responses are disjointed and conflict depending on who from DJI is responding.

My advice - buy the mavic 2 in a couple of years. By then someone might actually figure out what features will be included.






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Avi8tor0 Posted at 2018-9-7 18:39
You know, as a owner of multiple DJI products, I'm done.

Buying these drones is an exercise in complete frustration.

I'm sorry for the confusion from our support staff.


The camera has automatic lens correction except in its raw/flat shooting profiles. Same goes for i2 shooting in ProRes. I'm sorry if adding an additional step to your post processing workflow is just too much.. Maybe not use a professional type profile if you don't want to do any post processing. You will not have this issue in normal profile.

Please remember that no one is forcing you to use these modes.
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And that single profile is it right?
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DJI-BladeStrike Posted at 2018-9-7 18:53
I'm sorry for the confusion from our support staff.

Blade I know you mean well and your response is valid, but the M2P should at the very least have Dlog and Dcinelike  camera settings in h264. I’m fine with fixing lens distortion in post but to not have those settings, really blows.
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fans980d1304 Posted at 2018-9-7 11:39
Maybe the chip can do it but what about extra heat? We don't know anything about how this thing works. Clearly, DJI made an intentional decision and not just an oversight. The fix is simple and free, and you can make a 1 click preset that adds the distortion correction and a Dlog-M LUT simultaneously. No extra work.

Free distortion correction - http://geni.us/DistortionCorrection

That free distortion correction is ok for backyard filming Co. Still noticeable barrel distortion
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DJI-BladeStrike Posted at 2018-9-7 18:00
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   Unfortunately lens correct in 10bit will not be possible .. Please understand they are using available bandwidth for the 10bit color depth.     I will also like add that dlog-m requires post no matter what or you will have a very flat image. this would be just another step to your post workflow. This is the entire point to this type of profile.

Personally, I'm ok with doing post, including lens correction.

But for me most important thing that is shockingly not available in the Mavic 2 series of drones, is Cinema 4K. Period.

DJI wants us to see "The Bigger Picture", and lowers the resolution from their previous Mavic, from C4K to Ultra HD. Yet they market the Mavic 2 as a 4K drone (yes, I know UHD is also called 4K despite it is 3.8K).

It simply breaks cinema workflow. It breaks the valuable workflow between the various DJI drones. I have P3Pro, P4, inspire 1 (two of them with X5 and X5R), Inspire 2 with X5S, Osmo. All of them, even the old P3, have C4K.

The Mavic 2 cameras are better than the old Mavic cameras, yet they cripple the resolution! I simply do not understand this major leap *backwards* from DJI. Maybe there is a valid excuse for it, but with a H3 chip in the Pro, I simply do not get it. I would be glad if someone from DJI can enlighten me regarding this issue.

Hopefully we see a firmware fix for this. It is in my view, the most important thing to fix with the Mavic 2.
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I don't know how many of you were around for the introduction of the m1 but not all features were found on the introduction firmware. I've already had conformation on additional color profiles, other things are possible as well. Lets give them some time and you guys start enjoying this outstanding craft.



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simis Posted at 2018-9-8 05:27
That free distortion correction is ok for backyard filming Co. Still noticeable barrel distortion[view_image]

So you're saying you are a professional then? Then you should have no issues spending 30 sec to correct lens distortion when shooting in dlog-m or HLG
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DJI-BladeStrike Posted at 2018-9-7 18:00
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   Unfortunately lens correct in 10bit will not be possible .. Please understand they are using available bandwidth for the 10bit color depth.     I will also like add that dlog-m requires post no matter what or you will have a very flat image. this would be just another step to your post workflow. This is the entire point to this type of profile.

Thanks, you seem to know what you're talking about (as opposed to most moderators).

Would you say the quality of the lens correction in post-production is superior or inferior to the one made in camera?

I always assumed that in-camera lens correction was done be grabbing more pixels from the corners than from the centre (when that's possible: when using a sensor larger than 4k), as opposed to post-production corrections, where pixels are stretched towards the edges (and many are discarded).

If that is the case, flat profiles leave us with a lower actual pixel count than consumer ones (after the correction). But again, that's just my assumption.
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Rob W Posted at 2018-9-8 06:09
Personally, I'm ok with doing post, including lens correction.

But for me most important thing that is shockingly not available in the Mavic 2 series of drones, is Cinema 4K. Period.

If I may, I suggest a bit of patience.  The Mavic 2 was released 2 weeks ago & we are on firmware 01.00.0000.  I'm confident fixes & features are ahead.
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DJI-BladeStrike Posted at 2018-9-8 06:32
I don't know how many of you were around for the introduction of the m1 but not all features were found on the introduction firmware. I've already had conformation on additional color profiles, other things are possible as well. Lets give them some time and you guys start enjoying this outstanding craft.

The adding of additional camera profiles in H264 would be awesome! Blade
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DJI-BladeStrike Posted at 2018-9-8 06:32
I don't know how many of you were around for the introduction of the m1 but not all features were found on the introduction firmware. I've already had conformation on additional color profiles, other things are possible as well. Lets give them some time and you guys start enjoying this outstanding craft.

I was around for the release of M1 and I can vouch that great improvements have continually made to both aircraft and camera, making it a great craft today. I hope this continues with M2.
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EdisonW1979 Posted at 2018-9-7 11:50
Nice! Yes that is a very good chip, and I love to see there's that much power under the hood!

Also saw the screenshot you posted from "blade strike" from DJI Enterprise, and if that's the case, that at least is a coherent, logical explanation of why this occurring on the M2P, but still not good, as the M2 line is targeted as a "consumer" drone, but tasks like this are more professional grade, and typically require higher-end post-production software to correct, so it's understandable that a LOT of people will be ticked at this!

Being link is now dead, no image.
You wouldn't happen to have a copy of image?  
Or know of another link to image?
Sounded (read) interesting.
Thanks!
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fans980d1304 Posted at 2018-9-7 11:39
Maybe the chip can do it but what about extra heat? We don't know anything about how this thing works. Clearly, DJI made an intentional decision and not just an oversight. The fix is simple and free, and you can make a 1 click preset that adds the distortion correction and a Dlog-M LUT simultaneously. No extra work.

Free distortion correction - http://geni.us/DistortionCorrection

Not saying corrections in production (after taking images) don't work.  Only that it is better when lens correction is not needed, or at least there is minimal distortion by lens.

Anyway, for link to ''Free'' distortion correction.
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mates please, be patient.
first of all - really, if you're using DLog profile and understand how to color grade footage without LUT's then you will be able to fix lens distortion in post that will take 5-10 minutes to fix at the first time and then just save settings as preset and use this preset in future.

Don't forget that this drone is just released and not all fixes can be made from DJI side if something wrong for example in SoC side - then DJI need to wait when it will be fixed by SoC developers, and the same is equal for camera/sensors or smth else.

So, just be patient, everyone is interested in the success of using Mavic Pro and I think DJI tries to make everything to resolve issues and make us happy
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EdisonW1979 Posted at 2018-9-7 11:52
How about you do everyone here a favour and stop hijacking yet ANOTHER thread and get out? That will be much better!
So far I've never spoken with him before this thread today, and thus far, his posts have been polite, informative, coherant, and on the up-and-up, so I'm judging the book by this cover for now... You're a totally different story however, and judgement has already been passed on you long ago...

Don't worry or get jalous. As it has been announced today, you'll be swiftly taken care of as well. It's about time actually.
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I would be more interested in if and when DJI fixes the low resolution FullFOV pixel binning problem.
The Phantom 4 pro managed to do full pixel readout with an H2 SoC.
What about implementing this also in the M2P, maybe at least in 8bit!?
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DJI-BladeStrike Posted at 2018-9-8 06:35
So you're saying you are a professional then? Then you should have no issues spending 30 sec to correct lens distortion when shooting in dlog-m or HLG

I didn't said that, all I'm saying I didn't see anyone fixing that lens distortion in post so far, specialy with camera tilt movment  as distortion amount changing with camera angle. Professionals will use cameras with distortion fixed right in cameras.(depending on lens used)
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Wachtberger Posted at 2018-9-8 12:22
Don't worry or get jalous. As it has been announced today, you'll be swiftly taken care of as well. It's about time actually.

Please come out from under hallmarks desk.
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simis Posted at 2018-9-8 14:27
I didn't said that, all I'm saying I didn't see anyone fixing that lens distortion in post so far, specialy with camera tilt movment  as distortion amount changing with camera angle. Professionals will use cameras with distortion fixed right in cameras.(depending on lens used)

the distortion does no change with he tilt of the camera. The distortion can become more visible with the tilt, but it's a fixed problem due the lens, regardless of tilt.
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Dirty Bird Posted at 2018-9-8 08:17
If I may, I suggest a bit of patience.  The Mavic 2 was released 2 weeks ago & we are on firmware 01.00.0000.  I'm confident fixes & features are ahead.

I hope new firmware releases come, and come within a reasonable amount of time. I've been buying DJI products for a long, long time, building my drones with the first Nazas. So I know patience by now ;)

Right now I'm waiting for my Inspire 2 to get a proper firmware. Soon 2 months ago the Inspire 2 firmware was released, buggy, and without ProRes RAW for X5S already paying for the license. DJI recommends not to use this firmware at all, but to downgrade it. Yet it is on DJI's support page still.

I'm also waiting for the Crystalsky firmware that would come very soon after above release. It still don't have many functions the iOS or Android DJI Go app have, and it's now a year after initial release.

And I'm also waiting for a bugfix release of the A3 firmware, since the sticks can't be calibrated.

Makes me wonder when we ever are going to have quality releases from DJI? They are the best dronemaker, and I would enjoy their drones if they ever worked as announced and did not take step backwards.
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fans980d1304 Posted at 2018-9-8 18:08
the distortion does no change with he tilt of the camera. The distortion can become more visible with the tilt, but it's a fixed problem due the lens, regardless of tilt.

Sorry my bad, you are right. So far for FCPX best way to fix is withAlex4D Wide Angle Fix plugin, distortion amount you can  keyframe.
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Jeff7577 Posted at 2018-9-8 14:35
Please come out from under hallmarks desk.

I noticed you are always extremely helpful on this forum. Always adding to the debate NOT.
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I posted something similar and got the same response!

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hallmark007 Posted at 2018-9-9 01:47
I noticed you are always extremely helpful on this forum. Always adding to the debate NOT.

Sometimes I wonder, how people sharing the same exciting hobby, act like little, hostile children on a playground when it comes to different opinions. I think this forum shouldn't be the place to insult other users. To be honest, I'm also really disappointed with DJI's behaviour. I'm one of the 'victims' who suffered from not being able to use the Care Coupon after purchase and I hoped DJI could be so flexible to allow that, but they are not. OK, I know it's me not following the rules in the first place. Secondly I got a birthday coupon thru DJI Select. So far so good. But where is the sense in that if it's only valid for old stuff. I own a MP and a MPP with all the fly more stuff. I would have bought a M2Zoom - not possible. I think DJI should really think over their customer relation and not only focusing on selling stuff with flowery promises. Critical post should, no must be possible if DJI fails. At last it's us, supporting users, paying their salaries! And for that I'd recommend us staying united and not spending valuable flight time in offending each other
I didn't even mention my disappointment, regarding my CrystalSky "Brickware" I own. Even if they fix the compatibility firmeware-wise, I will be forced to buy another mount, because they couldn't help to change the mobile holders, making the "old" mount useless. At other companies, employees responsible for product developement and PR, would have lost their jobs or broomig the parking lots from now on. Not to get me wrong, I am very positive that DJI is building the finest drones on the market. The more I'm confused that they're loosing some credits in showing lack of after-sales-customer-interest.
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JoeMavicDHH Posted at 2018-9-9 05:17
Sometimes I wonder, how people sharing the same exciting hobby, act like little, hostile children on a playground when it comes to different opinions. I think this forum shouldn't be the place to insult other users. To be honest, I'm also really disappointed with DJI's behaviour. I'm one of the 'victims' who suffered from not being able to use the Care Coupon after purchase and I hoped DJI could be so flexible to allow that, but they are not. OK, I know it's me not following the rules in the first place. Secondly I got a birthday coupon thru DJI Select. So far so good. But where is the sense in that if it's only valid for old stuff. I own a MP and a MPP with all the fly more stuff. I would have bought a M2Zoom - not possible. I think DJI should really think over their customer relation and not only focusing on selling stuff with flowery promises. Critical post should, no must be possible if DJI fails. At last it's us, supporting users, paying their salaries! And for that I'd recommend us staying united and not spending valuable flight time in offending each other
I didn't even mention my disappointment, regarding my CrystalSky "Brickware" I own. Even if they fix the compatibility firmeware-wise, I will be forced to buy another mount, because they couldn't help to change the mobile holders, making the "old" mount useless. At other companies, employees responsible for product developement and PR, would have lost their jobs or broomig the parking lots from now on. Not to get me wrong, I am very positive that DJI is building the finest drones on the market. The more I'm confused that they're loosing some credits in showing lack of after-sales-customer-interest.

I concur with your coupon issue, I purchased M2P couldn’t get care refresh on the day, decided I would use my select coupon when drone arrived, 50% was the deal, but when I went to purchase my coupon was refused it needed to be used at time of purchase, I tried with customer support but met with a brick wall and that was that. It’s mind boggling...
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DJI-BladeStrike Posted at 2018-9-7 18:00
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   Unfortunately lens correct in 10bit will not be possible .. Please understand they are using available bandwidth for the 10bit color depth.     I will also like add that dlog-m requires post no matter what or you will have a very flat image. this would be just another step to your post workflow. This is the entire point to this type of profile.

So you neglect to tell this in your marketing videos. I would go as far as say this is false advertising, and I'm really, really considering cancelling my order. VERY dissapointed.
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Rieder Posted at 2018-9-9 09:10
So you neglect to tell this in your marketing videos. I would go as far as say this is false advertising, and I'm really, really considering cancelling my order. VERY dissapointed.

I think the point has been made, if you are going to use this method of recording, then you will be aware that you will have to do some post work, and if you understood this then only real problem would be a set up of correction, no more than 10 minutes and there after no longer than 30 seconds in post.
I’m not sure if it’s worth cancelling for such a small effort to correct.
I wonder would users prefer to pay a much higher price for a processor to preform task in Camera .
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