The focus was set manually for infinity. I do not know what you think,  but in my opinion  8bit none profile is sharper. It has almost the same  colors as d-log and no distortion.

I watched the video a few times and I agree 4K 8bit  none for me was clearer and sharper.

Yes, me too agree with you.

Am very curious as to why? There must be some setting you need to adjust to sharpen d-log. I will be following this thread and hope to learn more.

Everything was set up as it should be. It seems to me that everyone is focusing on D log 10bits and the famous one-inch sensor. Perhaps at a later stage, you can set a greater focus, however, the question is why I need to record a dlog and have a lot of work in postproduction since 8bit None is the same or better.

rutacrew Posted at 2018-10-12 11:11
Everything was set up as it should be. It seems to me that everyone is focusing on D log 10bits and the famous one-inch sensor. Perhaps at a later stage, you can set a greater focus, however, the question is why I need to record a dlog and have a lot of work in postproduction since 8bit None is the same or better.

Focusing isn't the reason one chooses to use d-log or not, unless sharpness is not possible.  There are too many examples of great footage taken in D-log to believe that acceptable focus sharpness is not possible.

I'm not saying that d-log has no other advantages. Most videos on youtube show a beautiful footage, but they do not compare them. Here is my 10 bit d-log video and it does not seem out of focus. But when you compare the same 8bit shot you can see the difference.
https://youtu.be/E9marbO4bzA

I agree the 4K 8bit seems much sharper.

Even on those screen shots the 8 bit is showing banding in the sky.

The d-log is unfiltered, unsharpened designed for post processing so its not exactly a fair comparison!

GnirtS  I thinsk You dont understand my message. I think that for most people, post-production with d-log is not sent. 80% of people who use hobbyist Mavic2 will not get a better video than this 8bit

P.S
what does it mean 8bit banding in the sky

rutacrew Posted at 2018-10-13 01:20
GnirtS  I thinsk You dont understand my message. I think that for most people, post-production with d-log is not sent. 80% of people who use hobbyist Mavic2 will not get a better video than this 8bit

P.S

A side note not concerning your topic:
I would never set focus manual to infinity. On my M2P the infinity setting goes beyond infinity.
Most manufacturers use the wide open aperture for infinity definition. That changes upon selecting different f-stops.
(This is not about depth of field!)
You can buy a Hasselblad HCD lens for $10,000 only to find out that infinity is out of focus.

I recommend:
While being in AF mode, tap the screen at an object at far distance and then switch to manual.
And don't touch that slider frome here on.

BTW:
Here is a sample for banding - 8/10 bit comparison.

I've had professional cameras that focus beyond infinity. The reason given is that it allows for temperature differences causing the camera body to expand/contract slightly altering the distance between lens and sensor/film plane. If they didn't allow for this you would have times when focussing at infinity would be impossible.

Eric13. My M2P when I press infinity, the slider stops before the second line from the top. I think  the focus is set perfectly .If tommorow the weather allows, I will make another video and check again.

There are a few issues with this thread, firstly the OP is confusing focus and sharpness - they aren't the same thing.

Infinity focus isn't always where the indicators say it should be on any lens.  Due to manufacturing tolerances in both the sensor and lens, temperature variations and various other things the actual infinity focus isnt always where its computed and marked.
Ive got a lot of DSLR lenses - on none of them is infinity focus exactly where the marker says.  They all focus beyond it.  The mavic is no different.

D-log is always going to be more faded and less sharp than the fully processed 8 bit video straight out.  If you arent prepared to post process it regarding colour, distortion and sharpness you aren't going to get an image as good as 8 bit.  Thats kind of the whole point of d-log.  Its minimally altered to allow the end user a lot more flexibility to create the style and image they want.

Post processing isn't simply dragging a LUT on and thinking "Yeah, look at me, im a pro video editor".


Its substantially better than the mavic 1 where you were forced to use a horribly over-sharpened image setting purely to disable the inbuilt noise reduction detail killer.

Guys, if you have time, take a look here. I have the same opinion as in this film

8 bit looks sharper

rutacrew Posted at 2018-10-14 02:14
Guys, if you have time, take a look here. I have the same opinion as in this film

https://youtu.be/ijRH7Ifpq5Q

That guy is getting something wrong. He keeps talking about filming in DLOG with h264.
That's not possible.

Anyway:
If you think the footage from normal mode is as good as the DLOG footage after post - which monitor resolution are you looking at while evaluating this?

Eric13 and GnirtS are completely right. In the whole post-production process, you can extract a bit more from the D log. I still think that for a normal user 8 bit from this great camera is enough

A CW Posted at 2018-10-14 03:54
8 bit looks sharper

Yes.  Because the normal h264 non d-log mode applies more default sharpening.  Because its not designed to need post processing.

Whereas D-log DOES need post processing and gives the user control.

gnirtS Posted at 2018-10-14 04:22
Yes.  Because the normal h264 non d-log mode applies more default sharpening.  Because its not designed to need post processing.

Whereas D-log DOES need post processing and gives the user control.

I know - so out of the camera the 8 bit is thus sharper

I agree as well 8bit looks sharper

Something looking sharper because software is using more sharpening in its post processing isnt really a surprise surely?

Today I tried to put unsharpen mask on d-log file. You can achieve the desired sharpness. Unfortunately, my i7 16gb RAM PC with Geforce 980Ti make 15sec video for almost 25 minutes. As an amateur, I do not see any sense in this.

rutacrew Posted at 2018-10-14 07:07
Today I tried to put unsharpen mask on d-log file. You can achieve the desired sharpness. Unfortunately, my i7 16gb RAM PC with Geforce 980Ti make 15sec video for almost 25 minutes. As an amateur, I do not see any sense in this.

What software youre using for editing ? Maybe unsharp mask is not a way to go and there is a different method.
I have the same setup ( i7 model can be different ) but 15 sek renders in less than a minute on my rig ;)

I am using Premier Pro. Without unsharpen mask when I rendering  I have the same time  like you. Now I am waiting for good weather to do more tests.  

rutacrew Posted at 2018-10-15 08:21
I am using Premier Pro. Without unsharpen mask when I rendering  I have the same time  like you. Now I am waiting for good weather to do more tests.

I've tested 15s clip just now.
Without unsharp mask it renders in 36s, with 5min 25s

It might be some other things that slows your render to 25min

Eric13 Posted at 2018-10-14 04:08
That guy is getting something wrong. He keeps talking about filming in DLOG with h264.
That's not possible.

I will be honest but I have played back my videos H.264 and H.265 videos on my Samsung 4k QLED TV and there's not much difference. In fact at times I think the 8 bit looks better Not sure what's going on but that's my observation and that of others watching with me. Personally I can't do much with h.265 because it just slows down my Dell XPS i7 computer to the point of freezing specially when using DaVinci resolve 15.

MagicRide I have the same opinion like You.
Crio I hope we taking about the same H.265 file with unsharp mask. Because H.264 d-log from my Mavic 1 with unsharp mask, my PC rendering with the same time like yours.

Nicely done - thanks again for sharing.

MagicRide Posted at 2018-10-15 12:12
I will be honest but I have played back my videos H.264 and H.265 videos on my Samsung 4k QLED TV and there's not much difference. In fact at times I think the 8 bit looks better Not sure what's going on but that's my observation and that of others watching with me. Personally I can't do much with h.265 because it just slows down my Dell XPS i7 computer to the point of freezing specially when using DaVinci resolve 15.

"I can't do much with h.265 because it just slows down my Dell XPS i7 computer"

Yes - Davinci is hungry. Do you work with optimized media? That may solve the freezing.
Still - Davinci is relying on lots of GPU power other than most other editing sotwares that require lots of CPU.

Eric13 Posted at 2018-10-15 22:53
"I can't do much with h.265 because it just slows down my Dell XPS i7 computer"

Yes - Davinci is hungry. Do you work with optimized media? That may solve the freezing.

I do and even with proxy it still slows down to a trickle.

rutacrew Posted at 2018-10-15 19:18
MagicRide I have the same opinion like You.
Crio I hope we taking about the same H.265 file with unsharp mask. Because H.264 d-log from my Mavic 1 with unsharp mask, my PC rendering with the same time like yours.

Yip, H.265