Only for audio adapter

Update only mentions correcting date and time. 99MB though. Seems to have sorted time and date.
Can't see any improvement in audio volume.

There is an info with "what's new" available?

The info just says corrects a time and date stamp issue

Ray-CubeAce Posted at 4-12 15:30
Update only mentions correcting date and time. 99MB though. Seems to have sorted time and date.
Can't see any improvement in audio volume.

Hi Ray,

here you can hear it, 1:50 with the old Firmware and 5:00 with the new Firmware. It is louder.

Does anybody else have the problem that the new option to disable the beeping sound is not there under settings? I only have two settings pages, 1st with Battery, Calibration, Tilt Control, Auto Power Off, and the 2nd with Storage, Accessories, Anti-Flicker, and More. Not possible to swipe further, also the "scrollbar" on top indicates only 2 pages exist.

tantehorst Posted at 4-13 00:58
Does anybody else have the problem that the new option to disable the beeping sound is not there under settings? I only have two settings pages, 1st with Battery, Calibration, Tilt Control, Auto Power Off, and the 2nd with Storage, Accessories, Anti-Flicker, and More. Not possible to swipe further, also the "scrollbar" on top indicates only 2 pages exist.

Mine still has the option (and the 3rd page)...

CemAygun Posted at 4-13 01:13
Mine still has the option (and the 3rd page)...

Forgot to mention that I also did not have this option after the previous firmware update. In Device Info the Osmo Pocket reports the correct firmware version, 01.06.00.30.

Udo13 Posted at 4-12 21:17
Hi Ray,

here you can hear it, 1:50 with the old Firmware and 5:00 with the new Firmware. It is louder.

Wonder it was from same mic setting and the fix only apply to external mic adapter.

tantehorst Posted at 4-13 00:58
Does anybody else have the problem that the new option to disable the beeping sound is not there under settings? I only have two settings pages, 1st with Battery, Calibration, Tilt Control, Auto Power Off, and the 2nd with Storage, Accessories, Anti-Flicker, and More. Not possible to swipe further, also the "scrollbar" on top indicates only 2 pages exist.

What's your FW? Is it 1.06.00.20?

Udo13 Posted at 4-13 02:12
What's your FW? Is it 1.06.00.20?

Now it is 01.06.00.30, before I had 01.06.00.20. I was unable to find the setting for muting the beep (only 2 pages in settings). Then I though I'd just wait for the next update. But now I still dont have this option. Very strange.

I have no Adapter, my FW is 1.06.00.20 and there is no new FW displayed.
I've done it sometimes, no FW Update is displayed. Is it only displayed, when you have an Adapter?

Vielen Dank Udo !

Oh-no Posted at 4-13 02:28
Vielen Dank Udo !

Kennen wir uns aus dem Forum?

Udo13 Posted at 4-13 02:16
I have no Adapter, my FW is 1.06.00.20 and there is no new FW displayed.
I've done it sometimes, no FW Update is displayed. Is it only displayed, when you have an Adapter?

New FW 1.06.00.30 is installed.
I've restarted Pocket and MIMO App and then docked the iPhone but no new FW displayed.
Then I clicked on the arrow in the upper left corner of the MIMO app and the new FW was displayed.

So it was missing only the immediate display when docking the smartphone.

Udo13 Posted at 4-13 02:52
Kennen wir uns aus dem Forum?

Ich sprache nur einbischen Deutsch ....

Oh-no Posted at 4-13 03:06
Ich sprache nur einbischen Deutsch ....

Ach so!
Have a good weekend

Udo13 Posted at 4-13 03:14
Ach so!
Have a good weekend

Ich habe Deutsch gelearnt um 1992 auf Goethe Institut Hongkong, B4 fertig, aber habe Ich 95% jetzt vergessen  .....

Udo13 Posted at 4-13 03:14
Ach so!
Have a good weekend

Gleichfalls danke ~~

Edit .... problem solved ...

Udo13 Posted at 4-12 21:17
Hi Ray,

here you can hear it, 1:50 with the old Firmware and 5:00 with the new Firmware. It is louder.

Hi Udo.
I've had time to run a few tests as well as I can do with a couple of different microphones and at first glance, there does seem to be around a 6dbm improvement to the input sensitivity overall. Although I tried to get similar volumes for the test, I could have been out slightly on volumes used and distances to the source volume. Although I'm fairly good at being consistent in these matters, I can't say my testing was technically accurate, hence my use of the word 'around'.

The phasing is also not as bad either but some of that could be from my stereo mic which I now suspect has an unusual pickup pattern using one figure of eight capsule and one cardioid. At least it is sounding that way. I also tested with the Osmo Pockets noise reduction turned off via the Mimo app.
I will do further testing when I can as this may present problems for me next weekend.  

Ray-CubeAce Posted at 4-13 10:46
Hi Udo.
I've had time to run a few tests as well as I can do with a couple of different microphones and at first glance, there does seem to be around a 6dbm improvement to the input sensitivity overall. Although I tried to get similar volumes for the test, I could have been out slightly on volumes used and distances to the source volume. Although I'm fairly good at being consistent in these matters, I can't say my testing was technically accurate, hence my use of the word 'around'.

Hi Ray,
thank you for your detailed tests. I wish you every success for your further investigations. I'm really looking forward to the results.
For me, the behavior of the audio adapter is a bit strange. It is not comparable to other cameras.

I think it's high time that the DJI engineers give detailed information here.

Ray-CubeAce Posted at 4-13 10:46
Hi Udo.
I've had time to run a few tests as well as I can do with a couple of different microphones and at first glance, there does seem to be around a 6dbm improvement to the input sensitivity overall. Although I tried to get similar volumes for the test, I could have been out slightly on volumes used and distances to the source volume. Although I'm fairly good at being consistent in these matters, I can't say my testing was technically accurate, hence my use of the word 'around'.

Hi Ray.

Before you drive yourself mad you need to decode the signal from your mic, it's not straight stereo, it's M/S encoded which needs phase/balance decoding in order to hear it's stereo effect properly. When decoded properly, you can actually adjust things like width, which is pretty cool.

I don't know what model it is but your description 'The phasing is also not as bad either but some of that could be from my stereo mic which I now suspect has an unusual pickup pattern using one figure of eight capsule and one cardioid.' is that of M/S.

It's actually not an unusual pick up pattern it just needs decoding. This could also explain why you've been having certain issues.

BTW, M/S just means mid/side.

Cheers,
Dave.

tantehorst Posted at 4-13 00:58
Does anybody else have the problem that the new option to disable the beeping sound is not there under settings? I only have two settings pages, 1st with Battery, Calibration, Tilt Control, Auto Power Off, and the 2nd with Storage, Accessories, Anti-Flicker, and More. Not possible to swipe further, also the "scrollbar" on top indicates only 2 pages exist.

I still have mine after the update.

Hi Dave.

Use any abbreviations you like. I'm just trying to keep from using specialist language for those here that may not be that technical or have English as a first language.
I knew the BBC audio engineers handbook off by heart by the time I was eighteen but I'm not familiar with the decoding or even knew it was necessary.
In the days I used that combination (One cardioid and one ribbon mic) it was for miking up sections of orchestras (Harps as an example) and left as part of a larger sound stage mix so we didn't do any phase / balance decoding.  Any help there would be appreciated.
I left the industry just as PCM recording started being used and the only person to own an Eventide Clockwork Harmoniser was Kenny Everett. My home setup was purely for my own amusement, I've never until recently attempted anything serious with it. Mainly it has been a listening and editing room.
I'm sure the mic only seems to behave this way when connected to the Osmo Pocket which is strange.
Connected to my minidisc recorder or directly into the PC it sounds normal and it is marked left and right. The connectors could do with a clean though
My problem is the Rhode is the only new mic I have. I have several 1990s dynamic AKG assorted mono mics like the D80 (similar to the Sure SM58 but I prefer the sound and looks) unfortunately no matching pairs and nothing attenuating in 3.5ml jacks. Also, I have recently had several large expenses that means that making one of your proposed stereo Clippy mics (Which I did like the sound from) will probably have to wait a few months. When I got into photography I never thought I would get into video. It has come upon me as a complete surprise over just the last year. Subsequently, I'm still not really geared up for it yet and is still an aside to taking stills for me but literally making do with what I have or converting what I have around to adapt to the new needs as best I can.
Getting back to the Osmo Pockets output.
One channel is quite clean but the other is almost like listening to a version of a very tight ADT but the time delay is not constant. Mixed together they do give a spatial effect but still not stereo. What I don't know is could it be my mic causing this as I lost the mics specs years ago, and one channel is still giving a 4dbm decrease over the other no matter which channel from the mic is used to whatever channel to the Osmo Pocket? (I can swap left and right around as the mic uses a two-channel mono to stereo adaptor but the same channel from the Osmo Pocket is down by the 4dbm. It's also the same channel that has the ADT sound)

I just went back and repeated testing on a few of the microphones that I had tested with the .20 firmware and there are NO improvements in audio with the .30 firmware and the problems induced to the audio stream when changing audio settings or changing external microphones without power cycling the Osmo Pocket are still there.

BobWinNV Posted at 4-13 16:15
I just went back and repeated testing on a few of the microphones that I had tested with the .20 firmware and there are NO improvements in audio with the .30 firmware and the problems induced to the audio stream when changing audio settings or changing external microphones without power cycling the Osmo Pocket are still there.

I hate to say this but you may well be right.
I went back to my findings and realised I had unintentionally captured a peak reading when switching pickup patterns (switch noise).  The now 2dbm difference I can see between meter pairs could have been caused by a slight variation in distance from the mic to sound source.
Tracks 3 & 4 are pre-update while tracks 9 & 10 are after.
A distance difference may also account for the slightly cleaner sound I'm hearing.
Sorry.

tantehorst Posted at 4-13 00:58
Does anybody else have the problem that the new option to disable the beeping sound is not there under settings? I only have two settings pages, 1st with Battery, Calibration, Tilt Control, Auto Power Off, and the 2nd with Storage, Accessories, Anti-Flicker, and More. Not possible to swipe further, also the "scrollbar" on top indicates only 2 pages exist.

Strange, I have the same problem after updating to *.30. I was able to disable beep with the previous *.20 firmware, but now that setting has disappeared. I tried resetting the device, but no change. Did anybody ever find a solution for this?

Also, I had updated *.20 via iPhone and *.30 via Android phone. Could that have made a difference? Could firmwares delivered through iPhone and Android be different?

Emmy808 Posted at 4-15 20:34
Also, I had updated *.20 via iPhone and *.30 via Android phone. Could that have made a difference? Could firmwares delivered through iPhone and Android be different?

I have Android .30 and beep option is there

Emmy808 Posted at 4-15 20:34
Also, I had updated *.20 via iPhone and *.30 via Android phone. Could that have made a difference? Could firmwares delivered through iPhone and Android be different?

You can only disable the beep if your Osmo Pocket is in Pro mode and set to record video.

Thanks Aavalaakso for confirming that it is not an Android issue.
Thanks Ray-CubeAce for the suggestion, but my OP has been in Pro and video mode.

I had disabled the beep in .20 but after upgrading to .30 the beep returned and the beep setting no longer found, same as tantehorst described. Still a mystery.

Emmy808 Posted at 4-16 01:42
Thanks Aavalaakso for confirming that it is not an Android issue.
Thanks Ray-CubeAce for the suggestion, but my OP has been in Pro and video mode.

It is still there, swipe down the screen, tap the gear, swipe left 2 times, you will see the key tone "beep" setting, toggle it on/off.

Oh-no Posted at 4-16 04:14
It is still there, swipe down the screen, tap the gear, swipe left 2 times, you will see the key tone "beep" setting, toggle it on/off.

Thank you for the suggestion, but after tapping the gear, I can only swipe left 1 time. There are no other screens after that. You can see from this photo that the scrollbar is at the end after the first left-swipe. And firmware is confirmed to be .30.




DJI, is this a known issue? At least one other forum member has mentioned the same exact problem, so I don't think I'm going crazy. Or do I need to send the unit back?

Emmy808 Posted at 4-16 04:42
Thank you for the suggestion, but after tapping the gear, I can only swipe left 1 time. There are no other screens after that. You can see from this photo that the scrollbar is at the end after the first left-swipe. And firmware is confirmed to be .30.

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That is a bit strange, may be you consult DJI first to see what they can do.

I think I may have figured it out. The firmwares must be different depending on country (regardless of language selection). My iPhone app store was set to USA when I installed .20. My Google Play store was set to Japan when I installed .30 (and Google won't let me change the country). So there must be no beep-disabling option in the Japanese firmware. This would be consistent with smartphones sold in Japan, which cannot have fake shutter sound or beep turned off even in silent mode, because too many pervs.

So now the question is: how can I downgrade and re-install the "proper" version of the firmware?

Emmy808 Posted at 4-16 05:19
I think I may have figured it out. The firmwares must be different depending on country (regardless of language selection). My iPhone app store was set to USA when I installed .20. My Google Play store was set to Japan when I installed .30 (and Google won't let me change the country). So there must be no beep-disabling option in the Japanese firmware. This would be consistent with smartphones sold in Japan, which cannot have fake shutter sound or beep turned off even in silent mode, because too many pervs.

So now the question is: how can I downgrade and re-install the "proper" version of the firmware?

You probably won't be able to. There are a lot of country dependent restrictions around the world on various items that manufacturers have to adhere to. Weirdly I like a confirmational beep for reassurance I've started recording. Here they have taken the route to make it an offense to attempt such photography instead with heavy prison sentences and putting offenders on the sex offenders list.

I realize manufacturers face country-specific restrictions, but some transparency in DJI's firmware release notes for those countries would have been helpful. Japanese translations of the firmware releases simply translate the English notes, so there are going to be a lot of confused users in Japan looking futilely for that beep-disable screen.

Emmy808 Posted at 4-16 05:19
I think I may have figured it out. The firmwares must be different depending on country (regardless of language selection). My iPhone app store was set to USA when I installed .20. My Google Play store was set to Japan when I installed .30 (and Google won't let me change the country). So there must be no beep-disabling option in the Japanese firmware. This would be consistent with smartphones sold in Japan, which cannot have fake shutter sound or beep turned off even in silent mode, because too many pervs.

So now the question is: how can I downgrade and re-install the "proper" version of the firmware?

Oh good catch! Although I am from Germany, and bought my Osmo Pocket in New Zealand, I am currently in Japan and also was in Japan when updating the firmware. My Apple-Account is logged into the Germany store though... so not sure where DJI takes the info from.

I want to offer audio adapter can use via wireless module it will be perfect

Because if funny to choose only one.