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DJI unveils Free App drone-to-phone tracking
DJI, which has an estimated 70% market share according to industry analysts, demonstrated its drone-to-phone transmission app at the United Nations aviation agency’s Drone Enable conference in Montreal.

DRONE ENABLE, ICAO's Third Unmanned Aircraft Systems Industry Symposium (DRONE ENABLE/3) 12 - 14 November 2019

SZ DJI Technology Co Ltd the world’s largest commercial drone maker,
company executives told on Wednesday it is developing technology (a free app) that would allow the public, for the first time,  to track and identify any modern DJI drone in flight using just a smartphone, in order to be  compliance with the pending regulatory approval in 2020

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Brendan Schulman vice president of policy and legal affairs at DJI said :“We’ve created a remote identification solution that works with what people already have,”

DJI says its app would work on drones within a 1 kilometer (0.62 mile) range using WiFi Aware-enabled smart phones.

The push for remote identification technology comes amid regulatory calls for greater oversight of drone flight,

Industry is eying ways to better track and identify drones similar to the use of license plates for cars, ahead of eventual rules from regulators like the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).

Philip Kenul, who chairs an industry-led committee on drone identification standards said : “Remote identification is the #1 priority of the FAA with unmanned systems,” DJI_0317 2.jpeg




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11-15 00:19
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Yeah, I heard it.
Not sure what to think of it.
11-15 03:11
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Montfrooij Posted at 11-15 03:11
Yeah, I heard it.
Not sure what to think of it.

Hi Montfrooij

I honestly believe that in the end it is an advantage, a benefit ... for us drone users ... and for all other people too

in Europe EASA regulation will soon come into force
so , it will be foreseen to put a transmitter on the drones that gives the information in clear (transponder)
information like , position , altitudes, speed , direction Home point , piloto position , ID Drone

this must be available to be used by the police and common citizens ... in clear ...

so if this DJI proposal will become a standard ... accepted by EASA
and I will avoid having to buy and apply a transponder to all my drones ...
for me it would be wonderful ..

as DJI said,  the technology already exists ...
if it were also free ... why not use it
dji has about 70% of the market ... this means that this would solve a problem for about 70% of drone users ... for free ...

I have always used the drone in respect of the next ...
even at the beginning ... when I sometimes broke some limits, rule ... but always being very very careful not to disturb my neighbors .( close to me or faraway) ..

so if my drone is intercepted by people ... I don't think then these people will be angry with me ...

the same thing for the police ...

this awareness ... perhaps discourages those who use the drone to disturb ... or maybe subconsciously fly dangerously close (too much) to people ...

(the thing that scares me the most... is the propellers and children's reactions with drone )

what do you think about it ?
11-15 20:20
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AirButterflyDrone Posted at 11-15 20:20
Hi Montfrooij

I honestly believe that in the end it is an advantage, a benefit ... for us drone users ... and for all other people too

Depends on who is going to use it.
11-16 11:01
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Montfrooij Posted at 11-16 11:01
Depends on who is going to use it.

I agree with you ...
but anyway, anyone uses the free app
can only read information
but he will never be able to take control of the drone, and even the photographs or images ...
so ... that he read my ID ...
this is what is prescribed by the new regulations that are coming ...
the free DJI app will probably make me avoid buying more devices to apply to the drone ...
that's why I like ... ...
but at the same time , does not like that this is mandatory
11-16 12:18
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AirButterflyDrone Posted at 11-16 12:18
I agree with you ...
but anyway, anyone uses the free app
can only read information

I'm not sure how much info is given from me.
11-16 13:06
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Quite honestly?  This latest "update" worries me.

First of all, it turned out that the mavic freely broadcasts all your information including the controller location.  which was acceptable in the case of police or official use...

But with this latest news?  I don't see how Joe public having access is any benefit whatsoever,  Apart from the rare case when someone decides to camp your house or windows, then fine I could see that being helpful to then go "Oh, XXX did this with a registration number of XXX" and hand that info to the police.

But if we look at it another way. Just what information is going to be available to see in this app exactly?  If its just owner ID or registration, fine.  

But if its location, speed, and possibly even controller location.  Then just how long will it be till bands of criminals looking for easy targets start seeing us and the new app as a resource for thousands of pounds worth of goodies in the form of drones?

I just picture flying happily in a field minding my own business, when out of the blue, a band of people suddenly appear after driving round with said app looking for targets, and more than happily relieve you of your expensive gear.  Great theres public safety now.  But what about safety for us pilots?
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Shiner Posted at 11-19 02:06
Quite honestly?  This latest "update" worries me.

First of all, it turned out that the mavic freely broadcasts all your information including the controller location.  which was acceptable in the case of police or official use...

Your point of view is interesting ...
Sometimes  I also look around before pulling out all my expensive equipment, and I think about that
so ... I understand your point of view ... (I have the same concerns)
however, for what I understand, in Europe and in the USA the new rules, (EASA and FAA) require broadcasting of our data ...
telemetry, direction speed and gps point, remote control position and when not available it Home point to RTH.
at the same time, the drone will have to be registered with an ID, so for the authorities, it will be easy to find the owner of him

therefore, I believe that even in the event of theft ...
I mean ... if someone steals your drone and then sells it or flies with it ,
here it will be really easy for the police to locate it and arrest the drone thief

which now, without the obligation to register, is not easy to have or to found it

in addition ...
another solution is to buy a transponder and apply it to the drone.
because the transmission of data will be mandatory in the new regulations (FAA and EASA)
so ... in my opinion is better save money ...
if this application will be accepted as the right one by the authorities ... it will all be for free ...
and who uses a DJI drone ... will not have to buy other expensive equipment ...

what do you say ?

to me too, everything that is new and mandatory bothers ...
but I try to adapt myself as well as possible

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11-19 02:50
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I wonder if DJI would consider offering to forum users the chance to bet Beta testers of this APP? I thought that I found a similar app from another source that did the same thing.  It did not work at all on my Mavic Mini.
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AirButterflyDrone Posted at 11-15 20:20
Hi Montfrooij

I honestly believe that in the end it is an advantage, a benefit ... for us drone users ... and for all other people too

I agree, particularly after viewing a YouTube video where someone (Drone U channel) interviewed an expert in the field.  This is FAR less intrusive than other options that the various governments are thinking about. This is the equivalent of a license plate and other options are more like airplane transponders (currently going through a mandatory expensive update called ADDS-B) and requiring a massive ground based infrastructure that would cost billions of dollars.  Guess who would pay that bill?
12-8 15:39
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JohnK48 Posted at 12-8 15:39
I agree, particularly after viewing a YouTube video where someone (Drone U channel) interviewed an expert in the field.  This is FAR less intrusive than other options that the various governments are thinking about. This is the equivalent of a license plate and other options are more like airplane transponders (currently going through a mandatory expensive update called ADDS-B) and requiring a massive ground based infrastructure that would cost billions of dollars.  Guess who would pay that bill?

Yes it is .... I’m agree with you
Simple and for free ... maybe too easy ????
Too many times government and politicians have to shared billions dollars of cost with someone friend ...
otherwise, DJI has proposed a solution too simple ... but so maybe there is no profit .... nothing to share ... we'll see soon how it will end ...

about a beta test version ... I believe that in Europe  they need approval for privacy reasons
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AirButterflyDrone Posted at 11-15 20:20
Hi Montfrooij

I honestly believe that in the end it is an advantage, a benefit ... for us drone users ... and for all other people too

"what do you think about it ?"

The App should meet absolute minimum required by country's avaiation authority the App is used in.  In case of U.S. that would be what FAA eventually creates as a rule.

For example in US:

If FAA finally rules public should be able to determine ID of drone, then that is all App should provide, nothing more.  It should not provide GPS coordiantes of drone, drone's speed, drone's heading, or GPS coordinates of Pilot.

App in no way should provide a way for public to use ID of drone provided by App to identify owner / pilot of drone.  Such indetification should only be possible to Federal Law Enforcement, who can provide Legal justification.  Thus ensuring owner / pilot are not fasely accused of breaking drone flying laws.  Along with ensuring owner / pilot is not outed and harrassed by nut-cases.  Finaly ensuring owner / pilot is not targeted for robbery - either person or domicle.

There is also issue of Privacy, at least in U.S.  DJI's planned free Drone App is anything but.

12-9 22:09
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HedgeTrimmer Posted at 12-9 22:09
"what do you think about it ?"

The App should meet absolute minimum required by country's avaiation authority the App is used in.  In case of U.S. that would be what FAA eventually creates as a rule.

As you said ,  there are many different aspects to take into consideration ...
for example in my case,  it’s irrelevant , to be identified or not to be  ...
but at same time, I believe it is right to guarantee everyone, privacy rights...
in EU ... looks like , authorities want to get public more details about drones pilot to make easy his identification from everyone....
For sure this could have some benefits as like some consequences...
for example my car plate can be easily identified from everyone by free app ...
But only policemen or authorized person can found my address or other personal data ...
I mean... in my opinion should be something like your observations...
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AirButterflyDrone Posted at 12-10 05:23
As you said ,  there are many different aspects to take into consideration ...
for example in my case,  it’s irrelevant , to be identified or not to be  ...
but at same time, I believe it is right to guarantee everyone, privacy rights...

I think the problem here is, the American government through the FAA have requested from manufacturers an app to work REMOTE ID, so dji have demonstrated the app they developed, it was the FAA who requested that this be available to general public as well as security services and ATC, although dji objected and made it known here on this forum almost a year ago asking members both on the forum and by email to air their grievances to both EASA and FAA , they still had to come up with a working app which they did and have clearly said that use of this App would be clearly up to FAA and EASA, so we wait and see.

In Europe it’s illegal to give out information about any person over the internet without their permission and EASA have already taken this on board, we are lucky in Europe we have rules that fully protect us and we don’t ever need to brown nose the US government, as for the Americans they are completely at the mercy of the FAA .
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hallmark007 Posted at 12-10 12:43
I think the problem here is, the American government through the FAA have requested from manufacturers an app to work REMOTE ID, so dji have demonstrated the app they developed, it was the FAA who requested that this be available to general public as well as security services and ATC, although dji objected and made it known here on this forum almost a year ago asking members both on the forum and by email to air their grievances to both EASA and FAA , they still had to come up with a working app which they did and have clearly said that use of this App would be clearly up to FAA and EASA, so we wait and see.

In Europe it’s illegal to give out information about any person over the internet without their permission and EASA have already taken this on board, we are lucky in Europe we have rules that fully protect us and we don’t ever need to brown nose the US government, as for the Americans they are completely at the mercy of the FAA .

it was the FAA who requested that this be available to general public as well as security services and ATC,

Can you provide a quote with link to FAA's website, where FAA specifically requested drone manufactures make a Remote ID App available to general public.  


To be clear: ARC report are suggestions to FAA.  Not FAA's final rule.  With final rule coming after FAA goes through rule making process and rule public comment period.  In ARC Report there are references to Public Official and Public Safety Officials or Agencies; those are not General Public.


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HedgeTrimmer Posted at 12-10 15:08
it was the FAA who requested that this be available to general public as well as security services and ATC,

Can you provide a quote with link to FAA's website, where FAA specifically requested drone manufactures make a Remote ID App available to general public.

I have provided all the proof ever needed on this forum. Look under the link for Activation Rule Making Committee and follow the trail.

So can you provide the proof that dji decided to build an app that would give out more information than was requested and that they said they would give this app out freely without the need for discussion as set out by the FAA .
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hallmark007 Posted at 12-10 15:30
I have provided all the proof ever needed on this forum. Look under the link for Activation Rule Making Committee and follow the trail.

So can you provide the proof that dji decided to build an app that would give out more information than was requested and that they said they would give this app out freely without the need for discussion as set out by the FAA .

You have not provided Proof to back up your statement.  You keep pointing to a committee who was asked to make suggestions to FAA on Remote ID.

Until you provide a quote with link to FAA's website, where FAA specifically requested drone manufactures make Remote ID App available to general public, you are misleading forum members.
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HedgeTrimmer Posted at 12-10 17:33
You have not provided Proof to back up your statement.  You keep pointing to a committee who was asked to make suggestions to FAA on Remote ID.

Until you provide a quote with link to FAA's website, where FAA specifically requested drone manufactures make Remote ID App available to general public, you are misleading forum members.

You know it’s clear for anyone if they read some of your posts, you clearly started out saying the FAA had no intention of allowing public any access or information , your now saying FAA are going to allow public some access to identification information, because this was correctly pointed out to you.

You spend much of your time on this forum asking others for proof, but you think somehow you should have the privilege of not offering any proof, except to say that all who disagree with you are somehow lying.
So it’s time for you to offer proof of what your bandying about .
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